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    OH - Pike County: 8 people from one family dead as police hunt for killer(s) - #30




    The gruesome slayings have rattled this southeast corner of Appalachian Ohio, a region that culturally identifies more closely with neighboring Kentucky and West Virginia than the state’s northern cities.

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    Adding to the shock was the discovery of hundreds of illegal marijuana plants on Rhoden’s property, highlighting the region’s dependency on the illegal drug trade as jobs in agriculture and timber have dried up.

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    Investigators search Adams Co. farm for Pike Co. massacre evidence

    ADAMS COUNTY, Ohio (WKRC) - Law enforcement officers are searching a farm in Adams County for evidence in the Pike County massacre. That farm is off of SR 32 near Peebles.

    The case of the Pike County murders became more complex this week with investigators asking the public to focus attention on one family

    DeWine hasn’t named suspects in the case. He has, however, asked the public to focus attention on four members of the Wagner family.

    Investigators want more information about Edward “Jake” Wagner, 24, George Wagner IV, 25, George “Billy” Wagner III, 46, and Angela Wagner, 45. All are uncharged.
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    What could the autopsies tell us? Time of death, order of death. IMO, there was more done to these people than we know about. I know, what could be worse than killing 5 young adults/children really and their parents and Uncle? We have some idea that at least maybe CRsr was tortured/overkill. Once all the adrenalin (sp) started or blood letting, I bet it was hard to stop it. To me, this was pure hatred of this family. IMO, everyone, every single one that knew this was going to happen and just let it, is involved and should be punished.
    How can any locals that know something let this be? How can you live your day to day life knowing what was done to these people?

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    Quote Originally Posted by amauet1 View Post
    What could the autopsies tell us? Time of death, order of death. IMO, there was more done to these people than we know about. I know, what could be worse than killing 5 young adults/children really and their parents and Uncle? We have some idea that at least maybe CRsr was tortured/overkill. Once all the adrenalin (sp) started or blood letting, I bet it was hard to stop it. To me, this was pure hatred of this family. IMO, everyone, every single one that knew this was going to happen and just let it, is involved and should be punished.
    How can any locals that know something let this be? How can you live your day to day life knowing what was done to these people?
    For all we know it could be an hour or twelve hours between the deaths of some of these people. The Autopsy reports would narrow that window.

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    Has it been said if CRSr and GR were actually living in the trailer they were found in? It's been said that CRSr and DR were back together, does that mean he was back to living with her?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Venom View Post
    Has it been said if CRSr and GR were actually living in the trailer they were found in? It's been said that CRSr and DR were back together, does that mean he was back to living with her?
    I don't think that anyone knows if he was full time at her home. Sometimes, with failed relationships that get back together, you stay in your home and I stay in mine, and we will meet sometimes, works out ok. A bit of distance from each other.

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    I wonder with the MJ grows if CRsr and GR took turns guarding the properties and doing periodic walk abouts to make sure no one was snooping around on the property. Also the sleepover with DS supposed to stay with KR maybe that's why that story never made sense. Extra security would be welcome while planting the new seedlings, etc. I don't buy that close friends/cousins, in laws, etc. were not aware of the grows. Just my opinion though.

    GR's dad's description of the way CRsr and GR were found sounds to me as if they were awake when the killers struck. Dana was awake too IMO.

    I definitely lean toward 3 or more shooters. I don't think the killers would have wanted to risk someone hearing gunfire at another trailer in close proximity and calling 911.

    Thinking it could have gone in the order with the killers arriving at CRsr and GR's trailer and GR or CRsr opening the door to them and putting Chance and the other pitbull outside. That solves getting past the dogs. Once inside they pull guns on CRsr and GR. Simultaneously the second person or persons go to DR's trailer and she also lets them enter as she is familiar with them too.

    DR might have been a light sleeper. That comes with being a mother. DRsr probably a light sleeper too. That comes with being a father and tending the MJ crops.

    I agree that someone was feeding the killers information about the R's activities that night and who knows for how long prior to the murders. The killers knew their routines, but still needed information of when Dana arrived at home that night. Her schedule seems the most unreliable with her working double shifts at times. The most disturbing aspect of this case is that the families knew their killers and opened their doors to them only to be gunned down... like shooting fish in a barrel. The R's worked hard and played hard. Who had so much hate in their hearts toward them?

    Authorities have received 883 tips, conducted 465 interviews (some with the same individuals multiple times), executed 38 search warrants and completed 60 cyberextractions of cellphone and DVR records, officials said today.
    Why no arrests yet?

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    Would the killers have used a silencer?
    Isn't FR house closest to CRSr's? If so, I could see them doing both those houses first in case FR heard gunfire and called 911? With DR being further away there'd be less chance of anyone in that house hearing anything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Venom View Post
    Would the killers have used a silencer?
    Isn't FR house closest to CRSr's? If so, I could see them doing both those houses first in case FR heard gunfire and called 911? With DR being further away there'd be less chance of anyone in that house hearing anything.
    Silencers aren't really all that silent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ilovepierre View Post
    Silencers aren't really all that silent.
    Excellent point! Case in point:



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    Yes they probably did use silencers since it seems so well planned out in advance. I hope there is still much action behind the scenes. I hate limbo!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bootsctr View Post
    Yes they probably did use silencers since it seems so well planned out in advance. I hope there is still much action behind the scenes. I hate limbo!
    Can forensics tell if the bullets were fired through silencers?
    Does it leave any kind of distinguishing mark?

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    Why the creepy silence lately? A lot of arrests have been made in the last few months in Pike Co. I'm wondering if AM was some way involved. She's a Crabtree and there's a couple of Crabtree's in Pike Co jail and have been for awhile. Just trying to keep this thread going. It's very hard to do with no info lately. Hang in there people!

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    It seems all the families in the area have a member working in the health care sectre, so with that thought in mind,I lean toward the conclusion that if one of shooters were injured it could be treated at home.

    Why im saying this, I really can not see CRsr not putting up a strong struggle. I can say the same for FR, as it is said he was a scrapper, there had to be damage done to at least one of the shooters.So if you have a wife or partner and you came home marked up or needed medical attention would you not ask what happened? Next you hear what happened to the R family and put 2 and 2 together that puts another person in the know. Someone is going to slip up and drop a clue soon I hope.

    Sprry just rambling to keep the thread going

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickandnora View Post
    It seems all the families in the area have a member working in the health care sectre, so with that thought in mind,I lean toward the conclusion that if one of shooters were injured it could be treated at home.

    Why im saying this, I really can not see CRsr not putting up a strong struggle. I can say the same for FR, as it is said he was a scrapper, there had to be damage done to at least one of the shooters.So if you have a wife or partner and you came home marked up or needed medical attention would you not ask what happened? Next you hear what happened to the R family and put 2 and 2 together that puts another person in the know. Someone is going to slip up and drop a clue soon I hope.

    Sprry just rambling to keep the thread going
    It sure seems like CRSr and GR put up a fight, so likely some of the attackers received an injury or two. From media reports, it appears Frankie was asleep when killed. I've always thought there were 3 or more people on execution team. Seems like it would have been necessary to have someone in or near Frankie's trailer to make sure he hadn't heard gunshots at CRSr's place or vice versa.

    Whoever the killers were, they were experienced, planned in advance, had inside info about the homes, security, etc. and watched them enough to know their schedule and activities. They had to move quickly to ensure no one survived or had the time to get on a cell phone to call 911. Professionals.
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