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    I've also been watching the Netflx series "Ozark".

    https://www.netflix.com/title/80117552

    It raises a lot of questions about the money laundering aspect of the drug trafficking in this region - SE & Central Ohio, northern KY, etc. Resorts, real estate, etc. in out of the way places are all ways to launder drug cash.
    All statements are my opinion only.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Canaille View Post
    Maybe it's the calm before the storm.
    One can hope.

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    Quote Originally Posted by amauet1 View Post
    Well since all we have is time, mayber we should start at the being again.
    IMO:
    Lies were told from the beginning, starting with the 911 call/calls. LE suspect the Manleys of something. I think they know more about this crime than they have told. I think all the Manley family knows by now. IMO they either knew about or found the bodies earlier than what was said. What's everyone else's thoughts on this?
    Agree. The timing just doesn't ad up and neither does some of the statements made. They were found on a Friday. Has anyone heard why that JM had not left for work? Why was he home that day?

    DS, well, I can see him not going to work on a Friday, just a gut feeling, and hanging out to help fix a car, but, why would KR miss work that day to hang out fixing cars, when iirc, he'd just scored that job. Why did DS wander around and "find" that tray of plants and then decide to call LE?

    As for BJM, I hear children in the background of her 911 call and her times do not add up.

    I'm not accusing anyone of anything but some thangs just don't smell right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by amauet1 View Post
    IMO, all that was just for show. Trying to "smoke out" or "scare" the suspects. I would love to blame the Wagners for this crime. A lot of the "puzzle pieces" fit, but..... no arrests and it's not looking like there will be in the near future. I think the "big show" was part diversion and something to satisfy the public that things are still being investigated in this crime. What is going on with those autopsy's?????? There most be more to them, than what we tried to figure out on the redacted documents. I don't want to know for grissly details, I want to know because the more they fight to keep them away, the more curious it makes me. I think we would know actual time of death. From that we may be able to figure out sequence of the deaths. I don't understand why after this much time they have not reached out to the FBI or the public for more info. It makes no sense to me.
    And now (IMO) LE can't lean on the Manley's anymore because they have a lawyer. Where did the money to pay a lawyer and bond for JM come from? Is it just a coinidence that they have retained the same lawyer that the Wagners have used in the past?
    And I agree that someone in the media needs to step up and hold the powers that be accountable for the lack of information being held back in this case!!!!! My trust in our elected officials in Ohio is gone! I'm sorry people of Pike Co , but I would never recommend any family moving there and feeling safe for their family. All this is JMO.
    BBM

    Look over here while we're doing something over there and no one will notice with all of the attention focused on those properties. Smoke and mirrors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mountainmutt View Post
    The Wagners have no motive. They are a much more respected family than the Rhoadens. They would have ahuge advantage in a custody case especially when the Rhoadens involvement with drugs was brought to light.
    The case would not have been between the Rs and the Ws. It would have only been between the two parents. There was zero drugs found where S's Momma was living. None. She worked, and had apparently been mothering the older child for nearly three years while he was trying to become an OTR. They had exchanged weekly visits apparently amicably. Even if a court had given him custody it didn't mean that she wouldn't have had a lot of visitation, and there's usually a clause that he couldn't have moved outside a certain radius so as to not hinder visitation. Could the Ws have paid off a corrupt family court judge to get what they wanted? If so, it would have been a lot simpler than killing eight people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rsd1200 View Post
    The case would not have been between the Rs and the Ws. It would have only been between the two parents. There was zero drugs found where S's Momma was living. None. She worked, and had apparently been mothering the older child for nearly three years while he was trying to become an OTR. They had exchanged weekly visits apparently amicably. Even if a court had given him custody it didn't mean that she wouldn't have had a lot of visitation, and there's usually a clause that he couldn't have moved outside a certain radius so as to not hinder visitation. Could the Ws have paid off a corrupt family court judge to get what they wanted? If so, it would have been a lot simpler than killing eight people.

    I think we have been discounting a few things in this case. I agree that money and passion are two motives for murder. The W's have both.


    LM said that there was a confrontation between CR1 and BW in the days before the murder over custody of SW. IMO that was the incident LM talked about as occurring the weekend before when PCSO was called. IMO BW threatened the R's. That is why DR was upset and asking her deceased friend to protect the family. IMO the R's knew that the W's were dangerous people and that is why the R's were patrolling the road (I.E. the joyriding/IJ incident) in the weeks before their murders. But I think even at that the R's underestimated the danger from the W's.


    We have discussed drug trafficking ect as a source of income for the W's, R's, and M,s. IMO I think the W's, R's, and M's were all involved in this enterprise. AW claimed BW and CR1 were best friends. The R's and M's were kin. I also think that all of AM's relatives who were recently busted on drug trafficking charges were involved in this ring. I think this was a large widespread operation that was run by someone with more brains than the M's and AM's family possessed since this apparently was an operation that had gone unnoticed by LE for some time. I think the W's are the ones who ran that operation while the rest were the worker bees.


    IMO the R's knew that BW had the resources through his running of this operation to bring some harm to them (I.E. maybe a beating of CR1 or FR or even HR) but I don't think they ever imagined the W's would kill or order killed the entire family.


    When the confrontation over custody of SW occurred in the weeks prior to the murders IMO CR1 threatened to bring down the entire operation if the W's pursued custody of SW. That would be a huge motive for BW to kill or order killed the R's, and also a motive for the M's (JM, AM and BJM) to help the W's do it by supplying information on the R's movements (I.E the text between JM and JW and the late night phone calls between AM and DR the night of the murders.) I will also throw in that IMO DS was also involved in supplying information about KR's movements in exchange for money or drugs.


    As for those of you who think the W's were not involved then consider this. Why would BW pick up and move his family 4000 miles away when his father was so gravely ill? Indeed the elder W recently passed away. The elder W's have a huge horse ranch that appears to be worth millions with all the land and breeder stock. Who inherited when the elder W passed? Was SW in line for some money when her great grandfather passed?


    All this is JMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rsd1200 View Post
    BBM

    Look over here while we're doing something over there and no one will notice with all of the attention focused on those properties. Smoke and mirrors.
    IMO, there was some reason for the searches and it indicates the Wagner family may have been involved

    1. They brought in multiple outside agencies - Columbus/Franklin County LE, security personnel from the prison system, etc. None of those agencies would have participated unless they had a valid search warrant.

    2. They had to get a search warrant from a judge for 3 properties (Wagners & Flying W Farms, the trucking business north of Peebles). They would have to provide some kind of probable cause and evidence to the judge to justify the search warrant. Recall the spokesperson from the Franklin County SO originally was quoted saying their participation was to assist in a search related to the Rhoden murders. He stated (and then retracted) SWAT was used, but SWAT trucks appeared in news media footage.

    http://www.cincinnati.com/story/news...cre/101600436/

    Judges don't casually hand out SW's for that large of a search involving multiple jurisdictions, etc. Not saying it wasn't a show, but it was done for a reason. IMO, the show was less distraction than to prove they're still working on the case. My theory is that some other LE agency was asking them why they hadn't searched those properties or questioned the Wagner family, probably the same agencies that arranged to have the Wagner family stopped and interrogated multiple times on their way to AK.

    The drug busts that followed a few weeks later occurred on properties owned by the elder Wags family members.

    DS behavior during discovery of KR and since has always been very suspicious, as is the fact that LE hasn't rattled his cage since in any way. Is it possible he was working as an informant? If so, was he working for BCI or the feds?

    All statements are my opinion only.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Betty P View Post
    IMO, there was some reason for the searches and it indicates the Wagner family may have been involved

    1. They brought in multiple outside agencies - Columbus/Franklin County LE, security personnel from the prison system, etc. None of those agencies would have participated unless they had a valid search warrant.

    2. They had to get a search warrant from a judge for 3 properties (Wagners & Flying W Farms, the trucking business north of Peebles). They would have to provide some kind of probable cause and evidence to the judge to justify the search warrant. Recall the spokesperson from the Franklin County SO originally was quoted saying their participation was to assist in a search related to the Rhoden murders. He stated (and then retracted) SWAT was used, but SWAT trucks appeared in news media footage.

    http://www.cincinnati.com/story/news...cre/101600436/

    Judges don't casually hand out SW's for that large of a search involving multiple jurisdictions, etc. Not saying it wasn't a show, but it was done for a reason. IMO, the show was less distraction than to prove they're still working on the case. My theory is that some other LE agency was asking them why they hadn't searched those properties or questioned the Wagner family, probably the same agencies that arranged to have the Wagner family stopped and interrogated multiple times on their way to AK.

    The drug busts that followed a few weeks later occurred on properties owned by the elder Wags family members.

    DS behavior during discovery of KR and since has always been very suspicious, as is the fact that LE hasn't rattled his cage since in any way. Is it possible he was working as an informant? If so, was he working for BCI or the feds?

    BBM

    Honestly though, it doesn't really take that much to get a search warrant these days. They handed out a warrant to track a vehicle, not a person, a vehicle, that they thought was tied into the case. That vehicle cannot speak so it can't tell tales of the past, nor does it make up it's mind as to where it is going or where it has been. They said that they didn't put that tracker on there to track JM (I call b.s.). That warrant was really pushing the line as far as I'm concerned.

    As far as the property searches, the W's lawyer, has stated that the Ws have fully cooperated with LE. Note they did not search any of the homes. As we discussed a few months back, OP had said that an inmate was with LE at the search site. A search warrant can be issued based on hearsay, as long as it's sworn and written by the individual, and provides the "powers that be" reasonable grounds to grant the search warrant, yet that same hearsay, may not even be able to be used as evidence in a criminal trial. What does an inmate have to lose on spilling some hearsay? A ride around, a stop for some fast food (county jail food usually sux), a walk around outside, and if their tip turned up something? If they're awaiting trial, it might even be taken into consideration that they helped with such a case as this.

    Clark said the family has "cooperated 110 percent" and have specifically:

    http://www.wkyc.com/news/local/ohio/...aska/452709844

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    I don't think the "big show" was just for show. Expensive in time, money and risk.

    If I could ask one question to the W family... "If you planned to move to AK before these murders, and had nothing to do with these murders, what were your plans to see little S after having moved so far away?"
    Just my opinion... and trust me, I do have one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Canaille View Post
    I don't think the "big show" was just for show. Expensive in time, money and risk.

    If I could ask one question to the W family... "If you planned to move to AK before these murders, and had nothing to do with these murders, what were your plans to see little S after having moved so far away?"
    Maybe only S's grandparents were planning to move in the beginning. It's possible that they'd not planned to move til the grandchildren were older, or they would fly back to visit their family. One of my grandson's grandparents live far away and make planned visits to come here, or meet at relative's homes that are in another state, so they get to see their little nieces and nephews too. I personally wouldn't move away from parents, kids, and other family, but not everyone feels that way. I've a cousin who packed up her life, child, and with her new husband, at age 40, moved 1,000 miles away. She's never lived anywhere but here and all of her family are here. Talk about shocked. Her grandparents were just inconsolable. It's her life though. Kids move thousands of miles away to start new lives, as do parents, and grandparents, every day. After the murders, I don't find it odd at all that the W boys, especially JW, moved with their parents. I'd likely want to see OH in my rear-view mirror too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rsd1200 View Post
    Maybe only S's grandparents were planning to move in the beginning. It's possible that they'd not planned to move til the grandchildren were older, or they would fly back to visit their family. One of my grandson's grandparents live far away and make planned visits to come here, or meet at relative's homes that are in another state, so they get to see their little nieces and nephews too. I personally wouldn't move away from parents, kids, and other family, but not everyone feels that way. I've a cousin who packed up her life, child, and with her new husband, at age 40, moved 1,000 miles away. She's never lived anywhere but here and all of her family are here. Talk about shocked. Her grandparents were just inconsolable. It's her life though. Kids move thousands of miles away to start new lives, as do parents, and grandparents, every day. After the murders, I don't find it odd at all that the W boys, especially JW, moved with their parents. I'd likely want to see OH in my rear-view mirror too.
    I know people do it all the time. They just don't strike me as the kind of people to move that far away from children/grandchildren. Especially AW. I can't see her moving that far from her mini-me.
    Just my opinion... and trust me, I do have one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Canaille View Post
    I know people do it all the time. They just don't strike me as the kind of people to move that far away from children/grandchildren. Especially AW. I can't see her moving that far from her mini-me.
    I'm like the Ws. I have mini-me. The child would live here if she were allowed. She did live with us for the first couple years of her life, along with our daughter, as both parents were young, and the relationship didn't last. During summer breaks she'll come and stay for a week or more. When her mother moved into the next county I was just lost for awhile. So I understand the mini-me thing. I wouldn't kill her other grandparents though, just because I wanted to move to another state.

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    I firmly believe there are suspects, W's in the mix. Daddy fighting CRSr, and custody. The move north cements that for me. I think what the snag is, is evidence and witnesses maybe. Much as I want arrests, I sure don't want the guilty getting away on a technicality or not enough evidence. Hang in there folks, I pray it happens. I tend to believe DeWine running for governor is key...in other words, he will use the case to his advantage. AND there is still officers working the case. My opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flatbush View Post
    I firmly believe there are suspects, W's in the mix. Daddy fighting CRSr, and custody. The move north cements that for me. I think what the snag is, is evidence and witnesses maybe. Much as I want arrests, I sure don't want the guilty getting away on a technicality or not enough evidence. Hang in there folks, I pray it happens. I tend to believe DeWine running for governor is key...in other words, he will use the case to his advantage. AND there is still officers working the case. My opinion.
    I don't think that the case is cold. I also don't believe that some of the Ws, Rs, Ms, and DS, know nothing about what happened. I don't know that they've knowingly helped to commit the murders but I do think they know more than they're letting on. In a family, which is seemingly that tight knit, someone knows something.

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    One thing that I just wondered about, after listening to other case 911 calls; Why did the 911 operator(s) not try to stay on the line with the callers? In other 911 calls the operator keeps asking them questions, talking them through things, until the LEOs arrive. I guess it's no big deal but I just found it curious.

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