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    TX - Michael Chambers, 70, Hunt County, 10 March 2017 #3

    Authorities Believe Missing Hunt County Man May Be In Danger


    March 11, 2017

    Deputies searched the home of Michael Chambers after he was reported missing Friday night by family.

    Based on evidence found at the home, authorities believe Chambers may be in danger.


    Reward Offered For Info On Missing One-Time Dallas Firefighter

    March 16, 2017

    A $25,000 reward is now being offered for information leading to the whereabouts of a missing one-time Dallas firefighter.

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    Investigators were able to locate surveillance video of a person who appears to be Chambers leaving a local Walmart on the day he went missing.

    When police initially went to the Chambers’ home searching for the 70-year-old they found a small amount of blood in his workshop, but no other evidence to suggest foul play.


    2 Months And Still No Sign Of Missing Retired Texas Firefighter

    May 10, 2017

    It’s been exactly two months since retired Dallas firefighter Michael Chambers went missing and investigators still have no leads or answers as to what happened to him or where he is.

    Quinlan police and Hunt County Sheriff’s Office investigators say they work on the case daily and have even brought in Texas Equusearch, a search and recovery organization based out of Dickinson, to look for the 70-year-old man.

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    Chambers was last seen on Friday March 10. Investigators say security camera footage from a local Walmart appears to show him at the store that same day, but his movements and whereabouts after are pretty much unknown.


    Family won't give up on missing retired Dallas firefighter in Hunt County

    July 28, 2017

    It’s been 20 agonizing weeks without answers for Suzy Losoya.

    She’s a daughter left in limbo, wondering what happened to her father, Michael Chambers. He’s the retired Dallas firefighter who disappeared from his Quinlan home on March 10.

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    The family recently hired a private investigator hoping that he can help them solve the riddle of what happened to Chambers.

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    “My greatest fear is that someone has killed my father and has literally gotten away with murder. That's my worst fear,” she says. “I'm convinced this was a crime. I do not think this is just a missing person.”


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    Bringing this post by marishka forward from thread #1:

    But wouldn't declaring him "dead" change the monthly pension payouts to a reduced amount? If he was still listed as missing, would the pension still remain the normal amount before his disappearance? According to our VI, they were not having any financial problems, so why the rush to declare him deceased? It would appear it would hurt more than help in regards to the pension payout.
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    My head was starting hurt from trying to "decode" all the legal "stuff" , then I found this (All BBM):
    "FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) Regarding the 100% Joint and Survivor Option

    Q. What is the 100% joint and survivor annuity option?
    A: The 100% joint and survivor annuity option is a pension payment method that will pay you an actuarially reduced pension and continue 100% of your monthly benefit to your Spouse after your death. The Spouse remains eligible for the benefit supplement and annual adjustments. Neither the Pensioner nor the Spouse is eligible for minimum benefits. With this option, you would receive less money while alive, but your Spouse would receive a larger benefit amount after your death than under the 50% survivor benefit. Under the survivor benefit provision, you would receive more while alive, but your Spouse would receive less benefit after your death.

    Q: Why is the 100% joint and survivor annuity option benefit reduced from the standard benefit amount?
    A: Under the 50% survivor provisions, the Pension System pays the Member his or her normal monthly pension over their lifetime, but only one-half of that benefit to their Spouse after your death. Your pension benefit in the 100% joint and survivor annuity option is reduced from the normal monthly benefit amount so that the System can continue full payment in the same amount to your Spouse after your death without increasing the cost to the Pension System.

    Q: What is the survivor benefit to a Spouse?

    A: The survivor benefit pays 50% of a Pensioner's pension amount to the Pensioner's Spouse after the Pensioner's death. Any eligible Children (generally under age 19) share in the remaining 50% of the Pensioner's benefit.

    Q: How much would my benefit be reduced?

    A: The monthly benefit is actuarial reduced based on your and your Spouse's ages and life expectancies. Our actuary has provided age-based actuarial tables for calculating the reduction. Generally, the younger your Spouse, the greater the reduction from the unreduced benefit.

    Q: When can I choose this option?

    A: You can choose the joint and survivor option when you retire or at any time after you retire under the conditions explained below:

    1. You may elect the option when you leave Active Service and apply for pension benefits. You cannot make the election at the time you go into DROP or while in Active DROP.

    2. You also may elect this option after you retire, however, you must meet a one-year qualifying period. If you die within one year after making the election, the option becomes void and your Spouse is not eligible for the 100% J&S option. In this event, any survivor benefit payable to your Spouse would revert back to the 50% benefit, or special survivor benefit, if eligible and the total amount of the benefit reduction resulting from the selection of the 100% J&S option during this period will be refunded to your designated beneficiary.

    -SBM for space-

    Q: How does the 100% joint and survivor annuity option work?

    A: If you choose the 100% joint and survivor annuity option, you will receive a reduced monthly benefit. In exchange for the reduction, your Spouse will receive a monthly survivor benefit after your death in the same monthly amount you had been receiving before your death. If there are eligible surviving Children, your Spouse receives one-half of the Pensioner's monthly benefit and the eligible Children share in the remainder of your benefit. When the Children are no longer eligible, the full amount of the payment becomes payable to your Spouse.

    Under the survivor benefit provision (when not eligible for the special survivor benefit), a surviving Spouse typically receives only 50% of the Pensioner's benefit, whether or not there are Children eligible to receive survivor benefits. If otherwise eligible, you and your Spouse remain eligible for the benefit supplement and annual benefit adjustments. (See example below.)
    Additional information: https://www.dpfp.org/FAQs/FAQ_5.html

    So I guess there are three options that have been identified so far: The option above, lump-sum payout at death, or the regular, 50% survivor benefit option.

    Also mentioned under "Sec. 6.06. General Rules Governing Death Benefits" here: https://www.dpfp.org/images/PDFs/Pla...t_09082016.pdf

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    Quote Originally Posted by QueenBea13 View Post
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    Just my random thoughts & opinions...
    I heard y'all thought I was fighting with the fam!!!! I considered posting that I was going out of town with no internet access... but didn't want to advertise that my home would be vacant... I'm in good standing with all members of our family, just so everyone knows. :-)

    I was only quiet because where bears roam and elk walk around like it's nothing, cell phones don't work - THANK GOD. It was a nice break.

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    I know our VI is going through a lot right now, but I'm still interested in who all had keys to the shop that the family is aware of.

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    Quote Originally Posted by roadrunnermt View Post
    I know our VI is going through a lot right now, but I'm still interested in who all had keys to the shop that the family is aware of.

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    As LE has never considered anything criminal happening, I wonder if that question was ever even posed? It also makes me wonder how they were able to conclude that no one else was present, when Michael disappeared? Quite perplexing IMO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim_M View Post
    As LE has never considered anything criminal happening, I wonder if that question was ever even posed? It also makes me wonder how they were able to conclude that no one else was present, when Michael disappeared? Quite perplexing IMO.
    Did they state Noone else was present or are you just concluding that based on not changing the case status?

    It's rather complex because Meeks did say in the beginning they thought he may have been taken against his will. That's what caught my attention on my local news. So why won't he change the case status at the family's request? He is a member of BPH so he can see that folks are not happy about this. For being such a good friend to Papaw and tearing up at PC, he has not one single post nor share about Papaw missing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by roadrunnermt View Post
    Did they state Noone else was present or are you just concluding that based on not changing the case status?

    It's rather complex because Meeks did say in the beginning they thought he may have been taken against his will. That's what caught my attention on my local news. So why won't he change the case status at the family's request? He is a member of BPH so he can see that folks are not happy about this. For being such a good friend to Papaw and tearing up at PC, he has not one single post nor share about Papaw missing.

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    I'm thinking at this point LE just wants this case to go away. It could possibly be because of what kind of info is in those Letters of Testimentary. A 'favor' may have been done so that the death certificate could be obtained so soon and info surrounding the case may not have been completely truthful. I mean how else can you get a death certificate within weeks with no body and only a few drops of blood? No ransacked house or anything missing. Other than his kids knowing He wouldn't just leave without telling anyone and the small amount of blood, everything else looks like he just walked away. The evidence alone certainly is not enough to have been able to rush that through.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nosy88 View Post
    I'm thinking at this point LE just wants this case to go away. It could possibly be because of what kind of info is in those Letters of Testimentary. A 'favor' may have been done so that the death certificate could be obtained so soon and info surrounding the case may not have been completely truthful. I mean how else can you get a death certificate within weeks with no body and only a few drops of blood? No ransacked house or anything missing. Other than his kids knowing He wouldn't just leave without telling anyone and the small amount of blood, everything else looks like he just walked away. The evidence alone certainly is not enough to have been able to rush that through.
    Let me add, I don't think he walked away. But what I think now at 5 months is completely different from what could have been proven at 5 weeks.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Nosy88 View Post
    I'm thinking at this point LE just wants this case to go away It could possibly be because of what kind of info is in those Letters of Testimentary. A 'favor' may have been done so that the death certificate could be obtained so soon and info surrounding the case may not have been completely truthful. I mean how else can you get a death certificate within weeks with no body and only a few drops of blood? No ransacked house or anything missing. Other than his kids knowing He wouldn't just leave without telling anyone and the small amount of blood, everything else looks like he just walked away. The evidence alone certainly is not enough to have been able to rush that through.

    So, saying LE does want this to go away because of some favors that may have been given to get PaPaw declared dead - If there were favors would the family still insist that LE has dropped the ball? Or would they just go away and begin to heal? If the family knew LE 'helped' would they still push LE for more answers? I dunno. I am curious if EVERYONE in the family wants to push on LE for answers or if it is just a few (his daughters).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nosy88 View Post
    I'm thinking at this point LE just wants this case to go away. It could possibly be because of what kind of info is in those Letters of Testimentary. A 'favor' may have been done so that the death certificate could be obtained so soon and info surrounding the case may not have been completely truthful. I mean how else can you get a death certificate within weeks with no body and only a few drops of blood? No ransacked house or anything missing. Other than his kids knowing He wouldn't just leave without telling anyone and the small amount of blood, everything else looks like he just walked away. The evidence alone certainly is not enough to have been able to rush that through.
    You know Nosy88, reading your thoughts spiked another thought for me. I've thought HCSO wouldn't want outside LE sources on the case due to the lack of a thorough investigation, however, you could have a very valid point. Maybe they won't agree to outside sources because they've known about this death certificate since April and do not want attention because of what appears to be shoddy at best with getting the death certificate issued.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim_M View Post
    As LE has never considered anything criminal happening, I wonder if that question was ever even posed? It also makes me wonder how they were able to conclude that no one else was present, when Michael disappeared? Quite perplexing IMO.

    Technically, they couldn't even validate he made it home from Wal Mart. I mean his vehicle was there and locked but someone else could have driven it home. No one saw him at home after the Wal Mart trip. So, I don't know if they can't even say that with certainty, how they can say he wasn't alone or it wasn't criminal. To me, the only evidence they have that lead them to initially believe it may have been a case of him leaving against his will ( the blood) is the only evidence they have period....and they should err on the side of caution and deem it criminal and treat it as such. Doing the opposite could have disastrous consequences, IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by roadrunnermt View Post
    I know our VI is going through a lot right now, but I'm still interested in who all had keys to the shop that the family is aware of.

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    As far as we know, the following had keys to the shop: Papaw, Becca, one of the sons who was over all the time. The other son MAY have a key, but we're not sure it's the right one, and since the locks have been changed we can't check to see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pmerle00 View Post
    As far as we know, the following had keys to the shop: Papaw, Becca, one of the sons who was over all the time. The other son MAY have a key, but we're not sure it's the right one, and since the locks have been changed we can't check to see.
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