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    Federal Indictment: James Burke, Former Suffolk Co PD Chief, December 2015 - #3

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    December 10, 2015

    Federal agents early Wednesday arrested James Burke, the former Suffolk County chief of department, one day after sources said a federal grand jury indicted him.

    http://www.newsday.com/long-island/c...say-1.11208592




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    Here is a link that answers a question somebody asked https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/d...t-police-chief

    Loeb had found things in the bag that might have belonged to a police officer: handcuffs, mace, and a gun.
    But he also found things that pointed to something much darker, according to a friend of Loeb's who spoke to him after the incident—like porn that appeared to him to feature prepubescent boys.
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    Burke even threatened to murder Loeb with a "hot shot," or a fatal overdose of heroin that might later be arranged to appear self-inflicted.
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    Immobilized but conscious of the fact that Burke was the owner of the bag with the alleged porn stash, Loeb called the chief a name. Newspapers typically soften the word to "pervert," and the feds say Loeb was mistaken, but in Loeb's telling of the story, as documented in a video interview recorded for Newsday, he called Burke a "pedophile."
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    But according to former police officers, local politicians, lawyers, and Suffolk County residents with whom I spoke about the case, Burke's conviction likely represents only the first domino to fall in what could become one of the more surreal federal probes of local law enforcement in American history.
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    It involves allegations of illegal wiretapping, cover-ups, sex addiction, drunk-driving cops, and blackmail. It involves a super PAC funded by the Suffolk Police Benevolent Association that critics say uses mandatory donations to cement a wall between cops and the people they are paid to protect. And it involves Tom Spota, the longtime Republican-turned-Democrat District Attorney of Suffolk County, who fathered Burke's rise to power through a close friendship that began after they met during the high-profile trial of a bizarre murder case.
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    "Suffolk is so dirty," concurs Peter Fiorillo, a retired New York City cop who has lived on Long Island since the 1960s. "Every place has corruption, but on a scale from one to ten, it's an 11."
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    But based on conversations with others about the incident, Trotta suspects Burke may have been shaking down drug dealers for crack and using the contraband with his girlfriend while they had sex.
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    For some, the verdict in the Pius case did not bring any closure. One of those people is attorney Frank Bress, now a law professor at New York Law School in Manhattan, who defended Bresnic in a 1986 appeal.

    "Burke was a low-level burglar and drug dealer as a kid," Bress says over a salad not far from his home in Westchester. "It made his testimony unreliable."
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    The lawyer ran a yearlong clinical program on Bresnic's appeal with eight of his students while he was teaching at New York's Pace University, immersing himself in what he perceived to be inconsistencies of evidence. Today, he believes the same thing he believed then: that all four boys were innocent.
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    Even in those days, Suffolk cops had a reputation. According to Kornbluth's research, the department had a 97 percent confession rate for murder suspects, a number three or four times higher than most American homicide squads' best years
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    He also says Burke was a short guy with a Napoleonic complex and "a sex addict."
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    "Burke used to take me and some of the other guys to Gossip, a strip club in Melville," R says. "Downstairs, in the private room, Burke and other cops used to **** some of the dancers for money.
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    R cites a locally infamous bust at World Gym in Ronkonkoma in 2002, where officers were convicted for selling cocaine and steroids, as representative of the scene among Long Island cops at the time.
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    Gia says she worked on Wednesday, Thursday, and Friday nights with two regular dancers named Tara and Hawaii, and that the trade of sex for money was commonplace in the basement of the club. She adds that empty "liquor cabinets" were used for sex work, and the ownership at that time, which she describes as "shadowy" and Russian, encouraged prostitution—and that one dancer at the club had a " Felix the Cat magic bag" filled with vibrators, nipple clamps, and other gear for female submissive S&M sessions.
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    Gia says cops were regular customers, but "different from the firefighters," who were usually looking for a gentler time. The police she knew, as a rule, were misogynists who liked it harder.
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    I ask Gia if she might introduce me to Tara or Hawaii to see if they ever encountered Burke.

    "I can't," she says, her lips curling downward into a pout. "They're dead of a drug overdose."
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    Even after Burke was forced into retirement by the scandal surrounding Loeb, for example, he was still owed an eye-popping payout of $434,370 under the auspices of unused sick and vacation time. (Burke averaged an annual salary well over $200,000 in his final years on the force.)
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    At around the same time, Burke was reported to be obstructing federal authorities from collaborating on the effort to catch the Long Island Serial Killer.
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    Both Trotta and Doyle are quick to note that Spota has run twice unopposed for office. In 2013, the most recent election, he was cross-endorsed by both the Democratic and Republican parties as well as the Independent and Conservative parties. Ray Perini, a Republican attorney who attempted to challenge Spota, was quickly stifled by members of his own party.
    The one question I have, not to be off topic but just because it seems relevent, is Why are samples of the serial killer's calls not released to the public?

    The phone company put a 'tap' on the victim's family's phone after a few calls. The phone company and police recorded the actual voice of the serial killer. If it had been played for the public at that time, with offensive material removed, the killer would have been caught pretty quickly.

    Who didn't/doesn't want the public to hear the voice of the serial killer and have that person identified?

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    So we cant post about Public Figures like Lindsay Henry and his father, the Former DA, Patrick Henry. I think given their links to both Spota and Burke that they would be fair game. Especially considering LH was Leanne's attorney, which she hinted at when she said that he was in a position of power over her during her press conference. His being her attorney is a matter of public record, regardless, we posted her interview, and its fair to say she was alluding to him.

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    Why are you mentioning Lyndsay Henry on this thread. This thread is for Burke.

    Start your own thread on LH if you want to bite him in the arse, but he's NOT lisk.
    Not by a long shot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breaking Bad View Post
    Why are you mentioning Lyndsay Henry on this thread. This thread is for Burke.

    Start your own thread on LH if you want to bite him in the arse, but he's NOT lisk.
    Not by a long shot.
    LH is certainly in the running as a POI.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anxietykiller View Post
    So we cant post about Public Figures like Lindsay Henry and his father, the Former DA, Patrick Henry. I think given their links to both Spota and Burke that they would be fair game. Especially considering LH was Leanne's attorney, which she hinted at when she said that he was in a position of power over her during her press conference. His being her attorney is a matter of public record, regardless, we posted her interview, and its fair to say she was alluding to him.
    I agree they are fair game, how can anyone sleuth without bringing up names? This is a discussion board for sleuthing crimes, yet no one can throw anything out there as speculation or opinion for discussion.

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    There doesn't seem to be much about Lindsay Henry. I tried to research that and ended up at

    https://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/04/n...l-inquiry.html

    “To me, there is no better barometer of a person’s integrity than to wind up at the top of Burke’s enemy list,” a former Suffolk County police commander, Patrick Cuff, said in a recent telephone interview. “I know I’m somewhere on it.”
    When Mr. Burke took charge of the Suffolk County Police Department, he demoted Mr. Cuff to captain from assistant chief, a move apparently driven by ancient animosity between the two men. When Mr. Cuff later retired, Mr. Burke texted several subordinates with an unusual request.
    “We need a friendly to go to Cuffs retirement party to take accurate attendance,” Mr. Burke wrote in a message obtained by federal prosecutors. “Whoever goes has to be able to recognize faces. Enemies, bosses active and retired and politicians.”

    Then http://archive.longislandpress.com/2...ffolk-crashes/

    On Sunday, Richard Kappel, 40, of Speonk, who was a police officer for the Village of Quogue, swerved off the road and hit a tree while driving a Ferrari northbound on Speonk-Riverhead Road in Eastport at 3:23 p.m., according to Southampton Town Police.
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    The next day, during the early morning hours on Monday, off-duty 3rd Precinct Suffolk police officer Robert Bowen, 34, of Ronkonkoma, lost control of his BMW near exit 58 on the eastbound side of the Long Island Expressway at 4:15 a.m., according to the Suffolk County Sheriff’s Office. Bowen’s car struck a Ford Explorer and a guardrail before it overturned.
    And https://web.archive.org/web/20090727...eran-1.1258570

    "He was just a down-to-earth nice guy who did a good job for us," said Suffolk Deputy Police Chief Patrick Cuff, who was Bowen's commanding officer at the Third Precinct in Bay Shore until last Friday when Cuff was promoted. "And he loved the Marines."
    Suffolk County Sheriff's Department Chief of Staff Michael Sharkey said Bowen, 34, of Ronkonkoma, died early Monday when he lost control of his car, which clipped the rear of another vehicle, struck a guardrail and overturned.

    ... https://web.archive.org/web/20101118...crash-was-dwi/

    An off-duty New York City police officer was killed in a head-on crash with a drunken driver traveling in the wrong direction on the Northern State Parkway in Dix Hills shortly after midnight Monday, New York State police said.
    Michael Bowen was driving a Chevrolet Astro Van westbound on the eastbound side of the parkway when he crashed near Exit 41 into a Honda Accord driven by Andre Menzies, a nine-year veteran of the department who was on his way home from his assignment at the Queens Housing Bureau at 12:05 a.m., police said.

    http://www.newsday.com/long-island/s...-dwi-1.1351565

    The off-duty Suffolk police officer killed in a highway crash in June was drunk and driving at "an excessive speed" when he hit a guardrail on the Long Island Expressway, according to a law enforcement source familiar with the investigation.
    At the time of his death, Officer Robert Bowen's blood-alcohol content was 0.15, nearly twice the legal limit of .08, the source said, citing the results...

    And then the comments on http://www.topix.com/forum/city/hunt...CO9H3LOFM6N26R

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_T..._Parkway_crash

    Although Daniel is an officer in the Public Security Unit of the Nassau County Police Department, he was not required to report his wife's drug use as he is a civilian.
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    Daniel's persistence in disputing his wife's intoxication and denying his wife's drug use has been condemned by ...
    http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/013905.html

    Anna writes:
    An article in today’s New York Times gives an interesting perspective on why the story of the tragedy is so gripping:
    Each possible version of events that has surfaced in the two weeks since strains credulity, and denies the public the comfort of a familiar cautionary tale. That is part of what has made obsessives of so many people following the story: its refusal to reveal, at a minimum, some lesson that would let us walk away feeling safer for having learned it.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/15/ny...15taconic.html

    “It was actually the opposite,” said Michael A. L. Balboni, who was the deputy secretary for public safety for the State of New York until retiring this year, and who became involved in the case when a friend of Mr. Hance’s asked for his help contacting troopers to find Ms. Schuler. “The initial thought was that she had had a medical condition.”

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    Due to the fact this investigation has been stalled so bad, it appears that certain people don't want it solved. Therefore, the fbi should release Shannans 911 tape to the public along with the call to Amanda. According to LeAnn, brewer and Burke were at the same party at oak beach. This is ground zero. I would not doubt that pak took shannan there fully knowing it was a one way trip. Thanks to the officer that was doing his job and found the Gilgo 4. After reading about some of the corrupt police officers in Suffolk county , they are worst or just as bad as some gangs. At least with gangs you know their criminals but not with dirty cops. Just like the serial killer they wear a mask you can trust until the monster within is revealed.

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    Brewer fits the profile of the sk. Wonder if his DNA is in the system?


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    Do they have dna of lisk? A suspects dna would not be useful unless they had dna from the crime.

    Anyway, they do have a voice recording of the killer calling the relatives of one victim. If that recording were given to the media, how long would it take to identify the person? Why would police not make that available?

    Regarding 'corrupt police officers', usually when there is corruption at that level, and to that degree, other individuals and groups make use of it.

    One small example perhaps is Burke's making use of Spota's possible corruption to get a job as a cop and streamline his career in law enforcement.

    But others would have tried to cash in on the corruption too...

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    Quote Originally Posted by maddalena1 View Post
    Due to the fact this investigation has been stalled so bad, it appears that certain people don't want it solved. Therefore, the fbi should release Shannans 911 tape to the public along with the call to Amanda. ...
    It certainly seems like the fbi would have access to the tape and the ability to release it... Who would be the specific person who decided not to release the tape, and would they have given a reason?

    It seems reasonable that some parts of it might not be suitable for public consumption but preventing even the slightest clue from being public has not worked out so far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abcdefgh View Post
    Do they have dna of lisk? A suspects dna would not be useful unless they had dna from the crime.

    Anyway, they do have a voice recording of the killer calling the relatives of one victim. If that recording were given to the media, how long would it take to identify the person? Why would police not make that available?

    Regarding 'corrupt police officers', usually when there is corruption at that level, and to that degree, other individuals and groups make use of it.

    One small example perhaps is Burke's making use of Spota's possible corruption to get a job as a cop and streamline his career in law enforcement.

    But others would have tried to cash in on the corruption too...
    I'm not sure if those calls (the ones LISK made to some of the victims' family members) were recorded. I don't remember ever hearing that they were. There are so many phone calls made each day, idk if all of them are recorded. Furthermore, I don't think the family members contacted the police until the phone calls seemed to stop. I think if they were recorded and released to the public, it would only be a matter of time before the voice was identified. Plus, the fact that these phone calls were made now almost 10 years ago doesn't help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joesmith97 View Post
    I'm not sure if those calls (the ones LISK made to some of the victims' family members) were recorded. I don't remember ever hearing that they were. There are so many phone calls made each day, idk if all of them are recorded. Furthermore, I don't think the family members contacted the police until the phone calls seemed to stop. I think if they were recorded and released to the public, it would only be a matter of time before the voice was identified. Plus, the fact that these phone calls were made now almost 10 years ago doesn't help.
    I agree that the sooner they are released the better the chances.

    As for whether they were recorded, if you call a Chinese restaurant to order takeout there is a 20% chance you are recorded. If you call dmv to renew something there is a 95+% chance you are recorded. If you call a police department to report something there is a 98+% chance you are recorded. If you leave a message on an answering machine there is a near 100% chance you are recorded unless the machine is broken, but if you call again and again the family of somebody you just serial killed to taunt them, and the family has had the phone company and police try to trace the calls, and police have traced several of the calls, the chances you were recorded is a flat 100%, not lower.

    So did the phone company and policevrecord the calls? Yes, they did.

    What are the chances that they recorded the calls? It's exactly 100%.

    Is it possible the recordings got "accidentally destroyed", or "mislabeled and accidentally recorded over"? Maybe a 20% chance of that. So there is a roughly 80% chance the recordings are around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DQN View Post
    LH is certainly in the running as a POI.
    Not at all. Leeann is being vindictive by throwing him under the bus.
    He had nothing to do with Gilgo4 or Shannan.
    NOTHING

    Anyway, if Lyndsay Henry is to be discussed, he needs his own thread. Not this one
    this one is for Burke.

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