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    We will have to agree to disagree on this issue. Lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by SageRhiannon View Post
    We will have to agree to disagree on this issue. Lol
    If anybody is interested in statistics, here is another bit. Then I drop it.

    The Suffolk County District Attorney, James M. Catterson, said he was pleased with the jury's decision. ''This case cried out from the beginning for the death penalty,'' he said. ''I think the defining moment for me was when DNA evidence indicated that there were five more victims, and we did not find all of the bodies. This man was a killing machine.''
    Somebody was preparing the crime scene to account for bodies that had not been found yet. Where is the dna from those bodies they were waiting for?

    Some links for anybody to research.

    http://pix11.com/2016/05/12/as-suffo...-are-revealed/

    https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/d...t-police-chief

    http://www.newsday.com/long-island/s...dal-1.11752916

    Bellone and his transition team received an anonymous letter with disturbing information about James Burke, the man he wanted to appoint as the new police chief. The letter included specific allegations of misconduct and warned Bellone to bypass the ex-Suffolk County police officer and district attorney chief investigator: Burke “was known to frequent prostitutes” and “committed at least one armed home invasion” to retrieve a service weapon stolen from him by a prostitute. He interfered with an Internal Affairs investigation into an officer accused of assault. He used damaging information gleaned from a wiretap as leverage to control Bellone’s predecessor, Steve Levy. And he “threatens subordinates with forced transfers, and tells them he is untouchable and that they have no protection and that he will ruin their career forever.”

    https://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/03/n...y-expands.html

    https://disqus.com/home/discussion/n...port_of_burke/

    http://www.newsday.com/long-island/c...oud-1.13627301

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    Another one to research for anybody bored

    http://www.newsday.com/long-island/s...pect-1.1873475

    "He was forthright and relatively open to investigators," said Det. Lt. John Gierasch, commander of Suffolk's homicide squad, which cracked the case.
    http://www.nytimes.com/1994/11/29/ny...i-attacks.html

    But the police said he had been ruled out in sniper attacks on the Southern State Highway in Nassau County in June.
    http://articles.baltimoresun.com/200...lk-sniper-luck

    Police in Suffolk County on Long Island soon determined they had in their midst one of the rarest and most worrisome of killers - a random serial sniper. "They're very uncommon, thank god," said John McElhone of the Suffolk County Police Department, who led the investigation of the "Suffolk Sniper" case. "When you don't know where to look, you have to look at everything."
    http://www.nydailynews.com/archives/...ticle-1.710052

    http://www.nytimes.com/1995/09/28/ny...-man-died.html

    Mr. Sylvester had also been charged with raping and sodomizing the girl, but the charges were reduced to burglary in the plea agreement worked out with James M. Catterson, the Suffolk County District Attorney.
    http://www.nytimes.com/1994/06/25/ny...in-nassau.html

    Wait. There have been about two snipers in the past 100 years on Long Island, and both of them were sniping in June and July 1994? And police caught "one of them" who confessed after being "interviewed" and he is excluded from being 'the other' sniper because what? Alibi? Very unlikely.

    There are a mountain of people convicted in that court in that time period, all with ironclad confessions and dna evidence. The FBI does not go after police corruption generally because it undermines confidence in the police, unless there is substantial publicity. So there is plenty of evidence of something extensively not right, but there is no chance that any of those dozens of convictions will be reviewed, and the feds are sure to sugarcoat the broader corruption issue when they finally get around to indicting a few retired and dead people.

    http://www.newsday.com/long-island/c...obe-1.11789974

    Those instructions included recording all calls between Macedonio and William Keahon, another prominent defense attorney with political connections.
    Keahon did not respond to several messages seeking comment.

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    Sorry, yes, agree to disagree is fine

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    Many here talk of the women being stalked beforehand...I which way were they stalked according to police records or their own admissions. I haven't seen much in the news talking about what methods are/were used to do such.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sparta View Post
    Many here talk of the women being stalked beforehand...I which way were they stalked according to police records or their own admissions. I haven't seen much in the news talking about what methods are/were used to do such.
    I believe that melissa felt like she was being followed bit im not sure about the others. I dont know all the particulars but does not surprise me that lisk is a watcher stalker. Stalkers are dangerous and often suffer from ocd. Lisk sure shows signs of phone ocd.

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    There is a difference between stalking and 'selecting', which might be relevent. There are a few indications that the women might have been 'selected' by somebody who had access to a database. In other words they were not randomly seen or randomly picked up then targeted.

    You probably should look at police records with skepticism, in other words they are valuable information as long as you know what their value is, and it may not be face value.

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    This old case seems like what the lisk killer might have started as https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disapp..._Felipe_Santos

    The killer picks people who he thinks will not spark a search. He has good reason to think if there is a search, or problems do develop, he is covered, protected.

    An investigation cleared Calkins of any wrongdoing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abcdefgh View Post
    This old case seems like what the lisk killer might have started as https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disapp..._Felipe_Santos

    The killer picks people who he thinks will not spark a search. He has good reason to think if there is a search, or problems do develop, he is covered, protected.
    OMG I hadn't heard of this case. What a complete travesty of justice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marble View Post
    OMG I hadn't heard of this case. What a complete travesty of justice.
    The deputy picked a Mexican national accidentally, who may have been registered with their Consulate or something, and so the Consulate got involved and then they kept pushing the issue and finally somebody made a tv show about the case, so it was well known.

    Unfortunate for the deputy, since he imagined he was killing a wetback or whatever and nobody would notice. He did lose his job I believe.

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    Which means now he's probably a deputy a few towns over.
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    Another famous case that has parallels probably to the lisk case is the so called cannibal cop case.

    Most people have one narrative of that story, something like "a twisted infividual became a cop, the 'good cops' tried to arrest him but he escaped justice."

    That's not what happened at all though, and it may be helpful to some people realizing what the problem is, so I'll rattle on another lengthy post.

    Anywhere where you have a so called 'macho' mentality in a work place there are a few different groups.

    a) The most common are the workaday people who try to do their job and play games minimally. These people almost always yield to the pressures put on them.

    b) The so called 'macho' types who live only as part of the gang. Their identity is entirely a group thing built around their image.

    c) People who aspire to 'fit in' with the power group. These people will do anything to become accepted, and police, like gangs, test these individuals, make sure they are loyal to the gang above all else, and mentor them.

    d) People who do not respect the gang mentality and try to enforce a more individual mentality, usually by poking fun at the gangsters.

    The 'cannibal cop' was in this last group. Anybody who has worked in that environment recognizes his comments as a brand of humor or mocking the local culture, in this case police culture. People who have not worked in that kind of environment don't see what is going on.

    The "cannibal cop" was mocking the "tough guy" gangster cops. He was commiting the most serious offense, disrespecting their primary value, which is, circularly, respecting them. So in that culture he did something worse than any typical crime, including murder etc, which could be forgiven. The only unforgiveable crime, what puts a person past any chance of redemption, is not respecting the gang's social values etc.

    A lot of people looked at that case and knew exactly what was going on, and also knew that the gangsters trying to set him up were extremely dangerous to challenge so they would be successful in steamrolling judges or whoever was required to validate their bizarre justice. But a lot of other people, most people, were clueless.

    How is this relevent to lisk? Most likely the main killer is a cop that is at the top of the plastic punk hierarchy in his police group. He might have lost his job due to alcohol or drug use in such a way that his job was unsaveable by his friends, and those pals then had even more obligation to protect him, even follow him.

    That would be my bet.

    One last point I'll make since I have hijacked this thread, anybody over the age of 30 who participated in any way whatsoever in the cannibal cop farce should be unemployed or in jail. People who ignore the evidence in the lisk case, or who play along with farces like the Bittrolff prosecution should be their jailors. Two birds /
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    I'm convinced that James Burke is the LISK, or at least one of several people who were involved. He was busted for having a known prostitute in his police car while on duty in '93 (or '96, I don't remember off the top of my head). Two years later, a dismembered prostitute was found in the area. I believe the "thrill" of killing was his main motive, but also to cover up his corrupt activities (escorts and drug activity). Perhaps the victims were the women he felt might bring heat on him; and the fact that he was close to Spota made it easier for him to do such things because he thought he was untouchable. And then there's the comment he made to Chris Loeb, threatening to give him a fatal heroin overdose and make it look like an accident. How did Shannon Gilbert die? Did she make that 911 call immediately upon realizing that she was deliberately overdosed by someone?

    Just my opinion. I could be wrong.


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    Not sure if this has been posted but this is currently at Gilgo.FullSizeRender.jpg

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    Somebody posted a report by an investigator or law firm on the previous thread that concludes that the 'police surgeon' was involved in the disappearance of the girl who police say died in an unrelated murder.

    The problem with police theories so far is that the police may have more motive to lie than to tell the truth.

    1) Burke and others did manage things by force, including blackmail, etc. When a small group of people are involved in something like that, and they are the apex predators in their environment, their crimes tend to grow and grow. When one amongst them has some dark apetite, the others can be trusted to support it and they do things as a group that in normal society would be limited to individual criminals or ill people. So, if a serial killer were going to be 'a group of people', that is more likely than usual with lisk.

    2) One kind of crime that is rarely in the news but probably more common than people would like to think is kidnapping a victim, keeping them alive for whatever purpose, then killing them. It seems like if a typical serial killer had the option, most would probably go that route. So, it seems like if a serial killer has no resources, then there is no chance to keep their victim prisoner, but when they have much more resources that option becomes likely, or at least more likely. So maybe determining whether 'lisk' has little resources or greater resources might start with determining if 'he or they' kept victims alive.

    3) There are two sets of telephone calls in these killings, as far as I know.
    a) One person called a victim's family and others and gave information that seems like it might have indicated the victim had been kept alive for a while. This victim was directly associated with other victims.
    b) When Shannon Gilbert disappeared, if she had been 'almost abducted' then the abductor would have expected a lot of investigation. She called 911 and talked with them for a long time. Apparently shortly after that she was 'taken in' by the doctor and heavily medicated in 'a wayward girls home'. The doctor of course would have expected some investigation by family, police etc. She called 911, went screaming door to door, ended up sedated in some house of his. The question is whether he called the family in order to prevent further search, or simply to let the family know she was there. As it turns out there was no further search for a while, no real interest in responding to the 911 call, but he would not have expected that, normally a 911 call like that would be investigated.

    4) When Shannon was at his 'home for wayward girls', obviously she would have been sedated. She would not willingly go from 'they're trying to kill me' to 'sure I'll sleep next door with their neighbors without calling anybody else' unless she had been controlled somehow.

    5) The astonishing bad luck of that girl, to first be in a house where she felt threatened enough to dial 911 and run screaming, then to go outside and be subdued somehow, incapacitated in such a way that she would have been available physically, if somebody had followed up, but she somehow was unable to call anybody nor answer follow ups from 911. But beyond that is the boldness of the doctor to a) subdue or take control or responsibility for her, if his intentions were good, or b) to use his reputation as a doctor to provide cover for some crime, if that was the case. In the latter, if it was a crime and he was using his status to cover something, he would not have taken such a bold step unless he had a lot of power to back him up. If a crime was involved then it would mean he put everything on the line to cover the actions of an unknown second party and trusted strongly that he would get cover from a third party. Total speculation but if he was involved then it would mean probably lisk is a group of people covering each other.

    There is little doubt that Burke would have participated in a group like that if he thought it benefited him, also that he seemed to create compromising situations for powerful people and might have used a group like that the same way Spota used him in 1979.
    Great post! As clickbait articles say: Number 4 blew my mind!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela_Beckett View Post
    Great post! As clickbait articles say: Number 4 blew my mind!

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    The man responsible for Shannan's death was Michael Pak.
    She was running away from Pak.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scorpio girl View Post
    The man responsible for Shannan's death was Michael Pak.
    She was running away from Pak.
    I disagree. Pak left when Gus said the cops were on there way.

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    Its almost 7 yrs since remains have been found on the pkwy. Does anyone believe an arrest will be made in this case? I dont. To much time has gone by. Theres no way to know whats on the minds of LE. It doesnt really matter. Nothing will come of it.

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