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    Denmark - Kim Wall, 30, Copenhagen, 10 Aug 2017 *Arrest*

    The Swedish free-lance journalist Kim Wall is missing, suspected murdered by the Danish inventor Peter Madsen after doing an interview with him onboard his submarine.

    https://www.google.se/amp/s/amp.theg...wall-continues

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    This is so creepy. Has there been any surveillance footage where he supposedly dropped her off?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pamelado2 View Post
    This is so creepy. Has there been any surveillance footage where he supposedly dropped her off?

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    A restaurant owner has given surveillance tapes to the police but won't say what was on them. Don't know if this is relevant or if he just wants attention.



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    Quote Originally Posted by BillieL View Post
    A restaurant owner has given surveillance tapes to the police but won't say what was on them. Don't know if this is relevant or if he just wants attention.



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    The said they asked the restaurant owner if he had surveillance from the time period when the alleged killer says he dropped her off and he did.
    Which is no doubt why the story has changed.

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    I should have said - "from what I understand"

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    Quote Originally Posted by pamelado2 View Post
    The said they asked the restaurant owner if he had surveillance from the time period when the alleged killer says he dropped her off and he did.
    Which is no doubt why the story has changed.

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    I should have said - "from what I understand"
    There was an interview with the restaurant owner in a Swedish paper where he hinted that there is something interesting on that tape. True or not, I don't know.


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    Hi all. :-)
    This is my first post here, though I have been reading this forum for many years (especially about the McStays). Now we have a case in my own country (Denmark) that fortunately is very rare here. I do have an opinion about this that I want to share with you.

    I do believe that Kims murder was planned. The reason for that is these 10 arguments (that I ofcourse only got from the news-channel and the news-media):

    1: PM (Peter Madsen) has been dreaming of, for years, that he one day would make a huge happening where the police was chasing him for an unknown reason. Thats why his friends and family first thought that this was some kind of joke and that Kim would turn up after a few days or so, smiling and say haha this was just for fun, but now we know that she didnt.

    2: He had often talked about that he made things happen if he could. Like "If I can do it then I will do it".

    3: He had some events arranged the day after the murder, that he for unknown reasons had cancelled, before he went on the trip with Kim.

    4: He sank his submarine at the same moment when someone spotted him, which makes me think that he wasnt finished with erasing the clues in the boat. Its like that when someone approached him and said "hey there you are" then he just made the boat go poof. Took only 30 sec and he apparently knew it was possible to do that fast and also needed to do. He had probably been thinking about doing that before he was spottet. It was not an act of panic, I bet.

    5: His first statements was totally lies about leaving her somewhere at the exact time where she had to be home or had to contact her boyfriend, so he had thought about timing. Too much thinking for a man in panic. As the evidence showed up, he did have to change his statements though. There was survaillance-cameraes at the place he said he dropped her off, which he apparently didnt know about, so that ruined his initial statement and probably his whole plan, because it could be proved that she wasnt present on the place, when he said she would be.

    6: He did also claim at first that Kim was there to do an interview on him and his submarine, and that it was a magazine called "Wired" that should be the media to publish it. Danish journalists had contacted that magazine and asked if they knew anything about that and their response was that they havent heard about it at all. So why was she there, then?

    7: He dismembered the body, which in my opinion is a strange act IF he was in panic, because I would have thought that the first panic-ish thought must have been to just throw the body over board, but a policeman told our news-channel that it might be possible for people in a total state of panic to do such things, though its very rare. Its just sick no matter why.

    8: This is what made me think it was planned. He punctured the body so that the gasses could be let out, so the body didnt float to the suface. Who on earth do think about that in a state of panic? I really do believe that this has been researched before he even went on that trip with her.

    9: When he got ashore he was interviewed and he did NOT act like he had just been experiencing something very cruel. Not at all. He just babbled about how sad he was about the submarine and that he had a failure that made it sink. No signs of shock or nervousity or anything that showed his distress.

    10: The police did immidiately arrest him for murder when he came ashore. We still dont know why they already, at that point, thought of that, but something must have told them that there was something wrong.


    This is just my opinion about why I think it was planned from start.
    No matter what, then PM is already in deep s... with what he finally admitted, so I think he will go under with his submarine soon, when the police starts to dig even deeper than they already have. They are so far also looking at another dismembered body from 1986 where the body also was punctured to keep it down, so maybe he has been practising for this in his early days. His age differs from media to media. The last I heard from the news channel was that he is 48 which make him 18 back then. So its possible he did that too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Logical_Inference View Post
    Hi all. :-)
    This is my first post here, though I have been reading this forum for many years (especially about the McStays). Now we have a case in my own country (Denmark) that fortunately is very rare here. I do have an opinion about this that I want to share with you.

    I do believe that Kims murder was planned. The reason for that is these 10 arguments (that I ofcourse only got from the news-channel and the news-media):

    1: PM (Peter Madsen) has been dreaming of, for years, that he one day would make a huge happening where the police was chasing him for an unknown reason. Thats why his friends and family first thought that this was some kind of joke and that Kim would turn up after a few days or so, smiling and say haha this was just for fun, but now we know that she didnt.

    2: He had often talked about that he made things happen if he could. Like "If I can do it then I will do it".

    3: He had some events arranged the day after the murder, that he for unknown reasons had cancelled, before he went on the trip with Kim.

    4: He sank his submarine at the same moment when someone spotted him, which makes me think that he wasnt finished with erasing the clues in the boat. Its like that when someone approached him and said "hey there you are" then he just made the boat go poof. Took only 30 sec and he apparently knew it was possible to do that fast and also needed to do. He had probably been thinking about doing that before he was spottet. It was not an act of panic, I bet.

    5: His first statements was totally lies about leaving her somewhere at the exact time where she had to be home or had to contact her boyfriend, so he had thought about timing. Too much thinking for a man in panic. As the evidence showed up, he did have to change his statements though. There was survaillance-cameraes at the place he said he dropped her off, which he apparently didnt know about, so that ruined his initial statement and probably his whole plan, because it could be proved that she wasnt present on the place, when he said she would be.

    6: He did also claim at first that Kim was there to do an interview on him and his submarine, and that it was a magazine called "Wired" that should be the media to publish it. Danish journalists had contacted that magazine and asked if they knew anything about that and their response was that they havent heard about it at all. So why was she there, then?

    7: He dismembered the body, which in my opinion is a strange act IF he was in panic, because I would have thought that the first panic-ish thought must have been to just throw the body over board, but a policeman told our news-channel that it might be possible for people in a total state of panic to do such things, though its very rare. Its just sick no matter why.

    8: This is what made me think it was planned. He punctured the body so that the gasses could be let out, so the body didnt float to the suface. Who on earth do think about that in a state of panic? I really do believe that this has been researched before he even went on that trip with her.

    9: When he got ashore he was interviewed and he did NOT act like he had just been experiencing something very cruel. Not at all. He just babbled about how sad he was about the submarine and that he had a failure that made it sink. No signs of shock or nervousity or anything that showed his distress.

    10: The police did immidiately arrest him for murder when he came ashore. We still dont know why they already, at that point, thought of that, but something must have told them that there was something wrong.


    This is just my opinion about why I think it was planned from start.
    No matter what, then PM is already in deep s... with what he finally admitted, so I think he will go under with his submarine soon, when the police starts to dig even deeper than they already have. They are so far also looking at another dismembered body from 1986 where the body also was punctured to keep it down, so maybe he has been practising for this in his early days. His age differs from media to media. The last I heard from the news channel was that he is 48 which make him 18 back then. So its possible he did that too.
    I don't agree it was planned or he would have covered himself better. This guy can build rockets and submarines so would be used to planning. If it was planned it is the worst planned murder ever in history!

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    Hi, thanks for your post.
    I live in Denmark too, and I happen to peripherally
    know Peter Madsen.
    I know him through friends (who have talked a lot about him, also prior to all this!)
    I write in red to make this post clearer, I will address some of your ponits.

    Quote Originally Posted by Logical_Inference View Post
    Hi all. :-)
    This is my first post here, though I have been reading this forum for many years (especially about the McStays). Now we have a case in my own country (Denmark) that fortunately is very rare here. I do have an opinion about this that I want to share with you.

    I do believe that Kims murder was planned. The reason for that is these 10 arguments (that I ofcourse only got from the news-channel and the news-media):

    1: PM (Peter Madsen) has been dreaming of, for years, that he one day would make a huge happening where the police was chasing him for an unknown reason. Thats why his friends and family first thought that this was some kind of joke and that Kim would turn up after a few days or so, smiling and say haha this was just for fun, but now we know that she didnt.
    Yes, he did say that - and what a strange wish to have! But he also said that no one should get hurt during that imagined stunt.
    He may have changed his mind about that - who knows!


    2: He had often talked about that he made things happen if he could. Like "If I can do it then I will do it".

    3: He had some events arranged the day after the murder, that he for unknown reasons had cancelled, before he went on the trip with Kim.
    I agree, that is very strange.

    4: He sank his submarine at the same moment when someone spotted him, which makes me think that he wasnt finished with erasing the clues in the boat. Its like that when someone approached him and said "hey there you are" then he just made the boat go poof. Took only 30 sec and he apparently knew it was possible to do that fast and also needed to do. He had probably been thinking about doing that before he was spottet. It was not an act of panic, I bet.
    I don´t think he could have erased the clues from the submarine in any case - and I think he knew that. There must have been a lot of blood down there. No way he could have gotten rid of that.
    I think he sank the submarine (open so water could enter and erase clues - he thought, it didn´t work, they still found blood from poor Kim Wall) when he saw the rescue team approaching - there was visual contact at that point.
    He made sure to do it when a private boat was close enough to rescue him fast (good, there are physical traces on him and his clothes still, ha!)


    5: His first statements was totally lies about leaving her somewhere at the exact time where she had to be home or had to contact her boyfriend, so he had thought about timing. Too much thinking for a man in panic. As the evidence showed up, he did have to change his statements though. There was survaillance-cameraes at the place he said he dropped her off, which he apparently didnt know about, so that ruined his initial statement and probably his whole plan, because it could be proved that she wasnt present on the place, when he said she would be.
    If he had planned it in advance, he would probably have made sure to claim he dropped her off at a place where he knew there were no cameras. He knows the area well. His Submarine has been there for years. His rocket hangar is there - he practically lives there, because often he sleeps in the hangar or in the submarine.
    Why he didn´t know there were cameras at the restaurant area is a slip - a major one.


    6: He did also claim at first that Kim was there to do an interview on him and his submarine, and that it was a magazine called "Wired" that should be the media to publish it. Danish journalists had contacted that magazine and asked if they knew anything about that and their response was that they havent heard about it at all. So why was she there, then?
    Someone else answered that.

    7: He dismembered the body, which in my opinion is a strange act IF he was in panic, because I would have thought that the first panic-ish thought must have been to just throw the body over board, but a policeman told our news-channel that it might be possible for people in a total state of panic to do such things, though its very rare. Its just sick no matter why.
    It is very, VERY sick!!!

    There are two possibilities why he dismembered her body:
    1. He wanted to make it more difficult to find her and identify her.

    2. The "entrance" to the submarine is very narrow, only 52 cm (20.5 inches). It would have been extremely difficult for him to drag her whole body thorough the tube (entrance). It must have been difficult even "just" with the torso.
    Torso had a chain around it. Could he have used it for two purposes? First to drag the torso through the tube, then to add some weight to it to make it sink and hopefully stay down (it didn´t, thank God!)


    8: This is what made me think it was planned. He punctured the body so that the gasses could be let out, so the body didnt float to the suface. Who on earth do think about that in a state of panic? I really do believe that this has been researched before he even went on that trip with her.
    Remember that this is a man who on a very hands on level is used to work with the laws of physics.
    He has built three submarines and knows all about those principles of air in objects and how it makes them sink or float. Those are the very principles used in submarines.
    He would have known this instantly.


    9: When he got ashore he was interviewed and he did NOT act like he had just been experiencing something very cruel. Not at all. He just babbled about how sad he was about the submarine and that he had a failure that made it sink. No signs of shock or nervousity or anything that showed his distress.
    That is exactly how he behaves when he has done outrageous things - on a lesser scale - in the past. My friends have talked about that.
    He is a psychopath - they have this "ability".


    10: The police did immidiately arrest him for murder when he came ashore. We still dont know why they already, at that point, thought of that, but something must have told them that there was something wrong.
    I think we will learn about that soon.
    They must have had something on him very soon after his initial meeting with police.
    Probably a combination of things.



    This is just my opinion about why I think it was planned from start.
    No matter what, then PM is already in deep s... with what he finally admitted, so I think he will go under with his submarine soon, when the police starts to dig even deeper than they already have. They are so far also looking at another dismembered body from 1986 where the body also was punctured to keep it down, so maybe he has been practising for this in his early days. His age differs from media to media. The last I heard from the news channel was that he is 48 which make him 18 back then. So its possible he did that too.
    I think he is 46.

    I hope we can talk again.
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    https://www.thelocal.se/20170814/dan...ts-off-witness

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    Where is her journal laptop and book? What exactly did she write about him? And where is she!
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    Quote Originally Posted by pamelado2 View Post
    This is so creepy. Has there been any surveillance footage where he supposedly dropped her off?

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    I wondered the same thing. Would there be a way to release a body into the water through a hatch? Maybe that's what he was doing when he claimed the sub began to take on water.

    And, yes, creepy is the right word for it. Can't imagine being trapped below the sea in a submarine with a (alleged) killer!

    Quote Originally Posted by Cherry View Post
    Where is her journal laptop and book? What exactly did she write about him? And where is she!
    Good questions! My guess is they're beneath the sea. If investigators do find her journal, I hope she wrote something incriminating about him (assuming he is guilty of harming her) that can be used against him at trial.

    Ironically, journalists will be writing plenty about Madsen now.
    "Some circumstantial evidence is very strong, as when you find a trout in the milk."
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    methinks he tried something with her and she resisted

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    “We decided during our first press conference relating to this case to say that he told us he dropped her off at 10:30pm [on Thursday, ed.] at Refshaleøen, and in relation to my saying we have been given different accounts, it is correct to say that we have been given another explanation since,” Møller said.

    <snipped> https://www.thelocal.se/20170814/dan...ts-off-witness


    Police say Madsen deliberately sank the submarine on Friday, when he was plucked from Koge Bay. Officials lifted the vessel out of the bay, where it had sunk 22 feet.

    "The sub has been searched and there is nobody on board — neither dead nor alive," Copenhagen police homicide chief Jens Moller told reporters at a news conference.

    Madsen has denied the charge, saying he dropped Wall off in the harbor of Copenhagen late Thursday after she completed her reporting. Madsen has since changed his story, police said Sunday, but declined to explain further.

    <snipped> http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/n...814-story.html

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    Sounds very suspicious. Not good.
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    I'm speechless at how bizarre this is. Why would she get off on an island? How was she supposed to get back?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vail View Post
    I'm speechless at how bizarre this is. Why would she get off on an island? How was she supposed to get back?
    If you look at the map it's not actually an island. It's connected to Copenhagen.

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