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    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7907686.html

    Kim Wall: Piece of metal was attached to Danish journalist's headless torso 'likely with the purpose to make it sink'

    Swedish journalist's remains identified on Wednesday morning, police announce


    BBM


    I had not expected this. With every detail, this crime becomes more horrible.



    Rest in Peace, Kim Wall. My heartfelt condolences to your partner and your family. May your memory be a blessing.
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    It now seems very obvious Peter Madsen did it. This is a very violent act so the question is...has he done it before?

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4788236/Danish-submarine-builder-temper-say-friends.html

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    So I'm guessing he will go for the Ian Huntly style of defence and claim he did kill her but it was all an terrible accident.


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    Speaking at a press conference on Wednesday morning, Copenhagen police’s vice-president, Jens Møller, also said that DNA taken from a hairbrush and toothbrush belonging to Wall had matched that of blood found on the submarine.

    He said metal weights had been attached to the body to prevent it from floating.

    “Damage seems to have been done to the torso in an attempt to ensure that air and gases escape and the body won’t drift to the surface,” Møller said at the press conference.

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    On Wednesday, local media reported that Danish police said they would look into whether unresolved past cases could be connected with Wall’s case. In 1987, the torso of a Japanese tourist was found in the waters of Copenhagen harbour.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...alist-kim-wall
    BBM. I'm not sure I want to know what that means.

    There's no real way for PM to explain his way out of this.

    RIP Kim.

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    In 1986 there was also a similar case in the same area. Police are searching for possible connection to Peter Madsen, who was 15 years old at the time!

    http://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/kr...tyckad-student

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    Quote Originally Posted by FlashyHydra View Post
    In 1986 there was also a similar case in the same area. Police are searching for possible connection to Peter Madsen, who was 15 years old at the time!

    http://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/kr...tyckad-student

    After finding remains in Køgebukten, the police are now searching through similar unresolved old cases.


    Among other things, the mysterious murder of a 22-year-old Japanese woman, who disappeared during her journey through Scandinavian countries in 1986.


    Her body parts were found in the water outside Copenhagen in several plastic bags.

    The police are now reviewing old cases, to see if they can possibly find common denominators with the suspected murder of Kim Wall.

    "We always do that, and for example we have noted a case from 1986 when bodyparts from a Japanese tourist were found in Copenhagen's port. We'll look at that," Jens Møller Jensen at the Copenhagen Police said during a press conference on Wednesday.

    In October 1986 a taxi driver saw a plastic bag floating in the water at Islands Brygge in Copenhagen. The bag contained the lower body and legs which later appeared to belong to a Japanese student who had disappeared 25 days earlier.

    The 22-year-old Kazuko Toyonaga traveled from Tokyo in May 1986 and traveled through Germany, Sweden and Denmark.

    Several days after the first find, another bag of body parts was found, this time in Christianshavn's Channel, Danish TV2 states. The body parts belonged to the same woman, but the police only managed to identify the victim eight months later, with help from a German dentist.

    The case was never resolved. When the murder was committed, Peter Madsen was 15 years old.


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    I'm not sure what to make of this. Fifteen seems terribly young for such cruel deed, but then again, inventors are ahead of their time. Challenging rules and laws is the core of being an inventor.
    If indeed the death of Kim Wall was an accident, then the idea to cut off the head and limbs must have come from somewhere. Panic? not likely IMHO. Doing so won't help your case if you also claim that it was an accident.

    BTW I have been reading a bit about Kazuko Toyonaga. The German Der Spiegel reported that she earned the money for her trip by working as a tester for the anticonceptive pill that was being developed at the time. This came out during the investigation into her background. The pill is forbidden in Japan to this day, so it was a kind of scandal that Japanese women had been recruited to test it.

    http://www.spiegel.de/spiegel/print/d-13523411.html

    Can't see how this would possibly connect her to 15 year old Madsen, while the connection between Madsen and Kim Wall is obvious and logical.
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    Sure 15 years of age is young, but maybe he could had been a partner in crime somehow....?

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    I am speechless.
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    It would be a hell of a gap between two killings, if Madsen killed the Japanese woman.

    I believe as Ironside does, that this was a sexual rejection, which ended in murder. Possibly he raped her.

    I don't think he lured her onto the sub with the intention of murdering her. I think the murder happened when be became enraged at her for not wanting him sexually. If his main intention from the outset was to murder her, he wouldn't have done it on the submarine.

    I think he was very full of himself, and his ego was inflated even more when this beautiful and accomplished journalist approached him, wanting to write a feature on him. I think that he imagined that he would give this woman a trip in his submarine and she would be so impressed by him and his invention, that she would find him irresistible.
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    An appalling end for this talented, intrepid young woman.

    I don't think he'd have planned this, he'd never have wanted to scuttle his submarine. I think he had some other kind of scenario in mind, where she submitted to his seduction. He's not the kind of man who takes no for an answer: he had a plan to build his own rocket and fly to the moon.


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    I also don't think luring someone onto a sub that many people were aware of would be an initial plot for murder, especially for someone as smart as an inventer. Because already red flags first and only suspect.

    A terrible accident causing decapitation? Umm..

    Buried at sea? Why decapitated. In a panic ok dead body I can see the reasoning if unable to make it to shore and it sunk with the ship. But obviously not the case to mutilate the corpse.

    This is very very weird and very very sad. I really hope he gives an honest account and it probably will be gruesome and her poor family...but the motive, lies, and now the torso? Nobody deserves that. To be alone underwater, that takes a great deal of trust and passion for her work. Makes me sick to think it could of been any worse.

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    Oops, posted without reading shadowdancer's post, I agree completely.

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    It seems she was the one who approached him for the article, but I expect he was the one who proposed the submarine ride for just the two of them, having some plausible reason why no one else could come along. I wish she'd brought someone as her photographer, even if they took bad photos.

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    Some examples of Kim's work here - https://www.theguardian.com/profile/kim-wall

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cupcakex13 View Post
    I also don't think luring someone onto a sub that many people were aware of would be an initial plot for murder, especially for someone as smart as an inventer. Because already red flags first and only suspect.

    A terrible accident causing decapitation? Umm..

    Buried at sea? Why decapitated. In a panic ok dead body I can see the reasoning if unable to make it to shore and it sunk with the ship. But obviously not the case to mutilate the corpse.

    This is very very weird and very very sad. I really hope he gives an honest account and it probably will be gruesome and her poor family...but the motive, lies, and now the torso? Nobody deserves that. To be alone underwater, that takes a great deal of trust and passion for her work. Makes me sick to think it could of been any worse.
    She wasn't only decapitated, her limbs were removed. And the attempt was to sink the body (which worked with everything but the torso). He murdered and dismembered her then tried to hide what he'd done. I'm sure he thought what he did would never be discovered.

    Also, maybe there isn't a 30 year gap. Maybe he got better at hiding bodies and this is the one he messed up on.

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