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    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener1850 View Post
    I feel like I missed something. Not sure what happened but please keep contributing here, carbuff.

    If you have trouble posting a media link, others here can help find it. We have a media thread now too: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sho...ight=Rasmussen
    Thanks. No, I'm not going anywhere, just felt bad about letting laziness lead me to carelessness.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Alleykins View Post
    I agree about confirming when the last time his family allegedly saw him with links, as I recall the last time him being seen was Dec. 1974 as well. I'm guessing here, but there may be an assumption that folks believe he may/could have attended his brother's funeral? that's what I'm gathering, which I believe he died Dec. 1978. However, if he arrived in NH at that time and hadn't contacted anyone in his family after 1974, he may not have known he passed away. His obituary wouldn't have been in the NH paper unless his family knew he was there and put it in there, that would have been the only way he could have found out if he lost contact with friends and family back home.
    I thought we had previously been asked by mods to stop discussing the brother, since the brother's death has never been mentioned in any current articles in relation to this case. However, if we are allowed to discuss, I DO want to say that I think it would be fairly easy for LE to determine if TR traveled to Hawaii at any time after his family saw him last.

    As to the last contact/last seen confusion-- maybe this timeline will help clear things up (BBM):

    1973 (approx.): Rasmussen and family move back to Phoenix. Works again for “Otto” and works in shoe shop.

    1973: Rasmussen’s wife and children leave him.

    December 1974: Rasmussen unexpectedly visits wife and children in Payson, Ariz., in the company of an unidentified female. He indicates he is living at the Casa Del Rey Apartments in Ingleside, Texas. It’s the last time his family sees him.

    June 1978: Rasmussen contacts friends in Arizona and asks for money. Tells friends he is working on oil rig in Texas.

    Sept. 28, 1978: Divorce finalized. Rasmussen’s whereabouts unknown.

    1978-1979 (approx.): Rasmussen works at Waumbec Mills in Manchester as head electrician Bob Evans.
    http://www.unionleader.com/apps/pbcs...170819310/1006

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    Quote Originally Posted by Owutatangledweb View Post
    Okay, so now I am really confused. I thought his real family last saw him in December 1974. Now I have seen a reference to June and December 1978. I agree with Bessie. I think we need to go back to links.

    Here's one article that states LE is looking for his whereabouts between 1974 when he visited his family in Arizona and the late 70s when he arrived in NH. I KNOW THERE ARE OTHER ARTICLES THAT ARE MORE SPECIFIC ABOUT IT BEING CHRISTMAS. BUT IT WAS DEFINITELY 1974 not 1978.

    Sorry, the all-caps is unintentional.

    http://boston.cbslocal.com/2017/08/1...es-in-barrels/
    Sorry this Dec 1978 thing is all my bad. my posts got deleted since I didn't source, but my sources list family members of Terry's and I didn't want to expose their names since some are still living.

    My point was if he went to his brother's funeral then this would have been the last time he was seen as Terry; however, It is possible he wasn't aware about his death. His wife and children haven't seen him since 1974, but would this also include his immediate family?

    The last he was heard from as Terry Rasmussen that we know of was in 1978 when he contacts a friend in Arizona. Makes me wonder if he contacted anyone else for money.
    • 1978 June RASMUSSEN works for the “Brown & Root” Company (currently KBR)
      in Houston, TX. Record indicates RASMUSSEN “quit to work
      elsewhere.”
    • 1978 RASMUSSEN contacts friend in Arizona and asks for money. He states
      he is in Texas working on an oil rig.
    • 1978 September 28 Divorce finalized. RASMUSSEN’s whereabouts unknown.


    Source: https://cbsboston.files.wordpress.co...tachment-a.pdf
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener1850 View Post
    I thought we had previously been asked by mods to stop discussing the brother, since the brother's death has never been mentioned in any current articles in relation to this case. However, if we are allowed to discuss, I DO want to say that I think it would be fairly easy for LE to determine if TR traveled to Hawaii at any time after his family saw him last.

    As to the last contact/last seen confusion-- maybe this timeline will help clear things up (BBM):

    http://www.unionleader.com/apps/pbcs...170819310/1006
    One thing we have to be weary of is conflicting info in the MSM.

    Here, it states he contacted friends in June of 1978.
    http://www.unionleader.com/apps/pbcs...170819310/1006

    But here, it states that in June of 1978 he was working for Brown & Root and only gives a general year as for when he contacted friends in 1978.
    https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/20...0FM/story.html

    Finally, the NHDOJ never references him contacting friends in a specific month on their site. Doing so in your post is erroneous, unless you have additional facts above and beyond the NHDOJ.
    https://www.doj.nh.gov/media-center/...tachment-a.pdf

    I don't know if anything can be gleaned from where the NHDOJ slotted this event in their timeline. If they feel this is between him leaving his oil rig job and his divorce they haven't clarified that publically.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Piknik View Post
    One thing we have to be weary of is conflicting info in the MSM.

    Here, it states he contacted friends in June of 1978.
    http://www.unionleader.com/apps/pbcs...170819310/1006

    But here, it states that in June of 1978 he was working for Brown & Root and only gives a general year as for when he contacted friends in 1978.
    https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/20...0FM/story.html

    Finally, the NHDOJ never references him contacting friends in a specific month on their site. Doing so in your post is erroneous, unless you have additional facts above and beyond the NHDOJ.
    https://www.doj.nh.gov/media-center/...tachment-a.pdf

    I don't know if anything can be gleaned from where the NHDOJ slotted this event in their timeline. If they feel this is between him leaving his oil rig job and his divorce they haven't clarified that publically.
    It looks like a news source MAY have conflated the two events of 1978 and added June to their timeline in front of the wrong one. All I did is quote the timeline put out by a media source to clarify where previous posters could have seen a reference to June of 1978. Last I checked, media sources were allowed and considered mostly factual (sometimes they do get it wrong, but if we can't discuss what the media reports we would have very little to discuss!). I can accept the premise that the media might have made an error, but I don't appreciate being told that I'm spreading false information for merely quoting a valid media source.

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    Whoa, I didn't mean to create a firestorm. I really was confused about the date the "family" last saw him. I don't mean to be picking on anyone in particular or signaling them out. Everyone here is a valuable contributor. I just wanted to make sure the dates were right so that if we read this a year from now, we have it right or if new people read here, the facts are correct. I hope everyone keeps posting, maybe we just need to be more careful about clarifying what event we are referring to. I know there's the occasional "brain not working without coffee glitches", which also happens to me LOL. So, was just looking for clarification. And I certainly get the tablet glitches. That's how part of my last post ended up with all CAPS. Didn't want to have to retype it by the time I noticed it. LAZY on my part!

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    I guess I was conflating "friends" who heard from him in 1978 with "family" who might or might not have heard from him.

    I think it's probably a safe deduction that 1978, possibly June, was the last known time he used his birth name. But we don't know whether he might also have been using Evans or another alias in other dealings.

    And just because he said he was living in Texas doesn't mean he actually was.

    It's hard to resolve the different versions. The Globe and the Union Leader are both generally excellent sources that care about getting things right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by carbuff View Post

    And just because he said he was living in Texas doesn't mean he actually was.
    Actually, the NHDOJ is the one stating he was living in Texas in June of 1978.

    "1978 June RASMUSSEN works for the “Brown & Root” Company (currently KBR)in Houston, TX. Record indicates RASMUSSEN “quit to workelsewhere.” https://www.doj.nh.gov/media-center/...tachment-a.pdf

    The NJDOJ should always supersede The Globe or Union Leader when it comes to presenting factual information.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Piknik View Post
    Actually, the NHDOJ is the one stating he was living in Texas in June of 1978.

    "1978 June RASMUSSEN works for the “Brown & Root” Company (currently KBR)in Houston, TX. Record indicates RASMUSSEN “quit to workelsewhere.” https://www.doj.nh.gov/media-center/...tachment-a.pdf

    The NJDOJ should always supersede The Globe or Union Leader when it comes to presenting factual information.
    I was referring to the call to his friends at unknown date in 1978. Just because he told them he was somewhere doesn't mean he was where he said he was. If the call was later than June, the NHDOJ information doesn't apply.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener1850 View Post
    I believe Denise had to have been killed soon after disappearing in Nov 1981 because she did not contact her family again. She might even be somewhere in NH. .
    I tend to believe that Denise was alive until shortly before Dawn/Lisa was abandoned in the campground. TR does not seem to me to be the man to care for a child for close to 5 years on his own. That is not to say that there were not women, but I think he would have "gotten rid of" D/L long before he did if Denise was not with him. This leads me to believe that there may well be some truth to the story that D/L's mother died in Texas, from a car accident/cancer/shooting due to a robbery or some other reason. We do now know that Terry Rasmussen told stories that included some truth. He indicated that he was born in Evanston WY...well his father was. He indicated that he was of Scandinavian descent - he was. He indicated he attended high school in Arizona - he did.


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    I'm almost wondering if TR commuted back and forth from different areas. The reason I wonder is his daughter's isotopes don't match Texas, the area he is known to have been in from at least 1974-1978. With her age being approximated at 2-4 years old that puts her year of birth around 1975-1982 if the time of death occurred in the years 1978-1984.
    Whereabouts of TR during those years:
    • 1973-Phoenix, AZ
    • 1974- Ingleside, TX/Payson, AZ
    • 1975-1977-presumably TX
    • 1978- Houston, TX
    • 1978/1979-1981- Manchester, NH
    • 1982-1983- Unknown
    • 1984- Los Alamitos, CA

    http://www.unionleader.com/article/2...late=mobileart

    So it is completely not impossible their time of death happened after 1981 since his whereabouts are unknown 1981-1984 but circumstantially it is believed they were killed pre-Denise. With that being said, why doesn't his daughters isotopes match to Texas where he was known to be?

    the isotopes match to areas in:
    • Washington
    • Oregon
    • California
    • Nevada
    • Arizona
    • New Mexico
    • Utah
    • Colorado
    • Wyoming

    Highlighted areas
    • Nebraska
    • North Dakota
    • South Dakota
    • Maine
    • New Hampshire
    • New York

    TR has connections to:
    • Colorado- born there
    • Arizona- family lives there
    • California- lived and worked there
    • Texas- lived and worked there

    Of note is some of the isotope places are on route from Texas to Arizona. IMO his family hadn't heard from him after Dec 1974, because he might have started a new family after that (his daughter could have been born in 1975). I've heard of people working away from home and commuting back and forth between states. He couldn't legally marry the mother since his first marriage's divorce wasn't finalized until 1978 when he was believed to have resurfaced as Bob Evans in NH.

    I'm getting a bit side tracked from why I started this post...My point is he may have traveled back and forth to different areas. Could his work have been seasonal or had on and off progressions? I found a case that interested me just how it's in a close proximity to where he used to live. On March, 12 1978, 16 year old Pauline "Robbin'' Burgette was murdered in her home on 26th st. TR had once lived on 36th street 6 mins away. Now her death doesn't match his later MO, but I found it interesting. IMO the Allenstown four weren't his first victims.
    Reasons it's interesting:
    • TR had once lived 10 streets away and was from the area.
    • Prior to her murder she was babysitting and had been having problems with someone making advances to her. TR had a daughter during this time. Could she and her mother resided in AZ? It matches her isotopes.
    • It happened in March and he is last known to be heard of as Terry in June. Could a crime like this be the reason for his name change?

    Would CODIS have ruled him out? Authorities do believe there were two people present during her murder so it isn't entirely impossible.. I wonder if it is known who she was babysitting and do a wellness check on them.
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    You make some really good observations of his locations and the difference in isotope regions for his child, aThousandYearsWide. The thing is, we don't know if TR ever lived with his daughter's mother at all. They could have had a one night stand or a brief relationship where she became pregnant. She could have met TR in TX or AZ but moved to live with her family in another state while single and pregnant. It's possible TR drifted in and out of their lives (like you suggested) or never even saw his child at all until she was a couple years old. Back in the 1970's, if a woman became pregnant and wasn't married she would be more likely to go live with family in another state to either hide the pregnancy or for financial support. She may not even tell the father of her child she got pregnant. If her family was super traditional and scandalized by the pregnancy, she might go out of state with the plan to give up her child for adoption or have family members raise it as if it is their own. A lot of people who consider giving a child up for adoption change their minds, however, once the baby is born. If she didn't tell TR about his child for a few years or lived apart from him for any number of reasons, that would also explain the isotopes of the child not matching his known locations. We don't know how he came to be in possession of the child either-- a re-kindled relationship where he charmed his way back into their lives? A legit situation where he was left with the child because of her mother's death/imprisonment/other situation? An outright parental abduction where he came and got his child and maybe her mother didn't know how to fight it or how to find him to get her back? There is too much we just don't know. I hope someday soon this little girl is identified (along with the others) and her and her mother's story can be told.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener1850 View Post
    You make some really good observations of his locations and the difference in isotope regions for his child, aThousandYearsWide. The thing is, we don't know if TR ever lived with his daughter's mother at all. They could have had a one night stand or a brief relationship where she became pregnant. She could have met TR in TX or AZ but moved to live with her family in another state while single and pregnant. It's possible TR drifted in and out of their lives (like you suggested) or never even saw his child at all until she was a couple years old. Back in the 1970's, if a woman became pregnant and wasn't married she would be more likely to go live with family in another state to either hide the pregnancy or for financial support. She may not even tell the father of her child she got pregnant. If her family was super traditional and scandalized by the pregnancy, she might go out of state with the plan to give up her child for adoption or have family members raise it as if it is their own. A lot of people who consider giving a child up for adoption change their minds, however, once the baby is born. If she didn't tell TR about his child for a few years or lived apart from him for any number of reasons, that would also explain the isotopes of the child not matching his known locations. We don't know how he came to be in possession of the child either-- a re-kindled relationship where he charmed his way back into their lives? A legit situation where he was left with the child because of her mother's death/imprisonment/other situation? An outright parental abduction where he came and got his child and maybe her mother didn't know how to fight it or how to find him to get her back? There is too much we just don't know. I hope someday soon this little girl is identified (along with the others) and her and her mother's story can be told.
    The mother being imprisoned seems likely to me. It happened in the case of Suzanne Sevakis AKA Sharon Marshall. Suzanne's mother was serving a short sentence for a petty crime. When she was released it was discovered her husband left with some of her children, while abandoning the others. She couldn't file a missing persons report because authorities stated as their step-father he was allowed to leave with her children if he pleases (even though he never legally adopted them). I wonder if TR did the same thing especially since he was the biological father. If this is the case they might have told her mother the same thing. Parental abductions weren't taken as seriously until recent decades.
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    The middle child's isotope and TR's known whereabouts don't seem to mesh at all.
    When they first announced that she was RE's biological daughter (before he was ID'd as TR), NCMEC said that most likely he was with her and her mother up until he showed up in NH (it was on their FB page). Based on what we know now, that doesn't seem possible.
    The only thing that seems to make sense (to me, anyway) is that he wasn't with the MC in the beginning of her life and that he and her mother split before birth, or shortly after. At which point, he stayed in TX and the mother moved somewhere within the isotope area. Two weeks to three months before her death, TR somehow ended up with her and brought her to NH. I'm thinking she was voluntarily given to him, for any number of reasons. It would also explain why no one on her mother's side may have reported her missing, because, if she were given to him, she technically wasn't missing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aThousandYearsWide View Post
    I went ahead and made the isotope state list for the other three related victims too. Their isotopes match 27 states while TR's daughter matches 17 states.

    Terry Rasmussen's daughter's isotope states (2-4 year old):
    • Washington
    • Oregon
    • Idaho
    • California
    • Nevada
    • Arizona
    • New Mexico
    • Utah
    • Colorado
    • Wyoming

    Highlighted areas
    • Nebraska
    • Minnesota
    • North Dakota
    • South Dakota
    • Maine
    • New Hampshire
    • New York



    Adult victim (23-33 year old) and two children (5-11 year old, and 1-3 year old) isotope states:
    • Washington
    • Oregon
    • California
    • Arizona
    • New Mexico
    • Nevada
    • Colorado
    • Kansas
    • Nebraska
    • South Dakota
    • North Dakota
    • Minnesota
    • Iowa
    • Wisconsin
    • Michigan
    • Ohio
    • West Virginia
    • Virginia
    • Maryland
    • Pennsylvania
    • New York
    • New Jersey
    • Massachusetts
    • Connecticut
    • Vermont
    • New Hampshire
    • Maine

    https://abm-website-assets.s3.amazon...tope%20map.png
    I posted this in the Allenstown thread. I had found more states for TR's daughter since I found a better picture of the isotope map.
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