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    Haymarket Jane Doe

    DoeNetwork Case 468UFVA http://doenetwork.org/cases/468ufva.html
    NamUs UP Case 6485 https://identifyus.org/cases/6485

    Last edited by CarlK90245; 10-12-2012 at 11:54 PM.

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    Any reply on this one? Was Judy ever officially ruled out?

    tia

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    Coincidentally, I was looking at Tina Kemp as a possible to Haymarket Jane Doe right when Tina's name came up on the Caledonia Jane Doe thread.

    Tina Faye Kemp
    http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/k/kemp_tina.html



    Her height and age are right, The timeline is consistent, and Haymarket VA is about 125 miles from Felton DE.

    But her chin and jawline are what really get my attention (at least in comparison to the two recons above).

    All four recons look very much different from each other, so it's difficult to determine which features to focus on.

    As for negatives, I don't see any mention that TFK had orthodontic work, and there isn't a very good resemblance in an overall sense. But I've seen plenty of recons that have poor overall resemblance, even if they got the facial shape close.

    Since Haymarket Jane Doe is in CODIS, we'll know soon enough whether this is a match because TFK's DNA profile is in the process of being entered to CODIS.
    Last edited by CarlK90245; 10-12-2012 at 11:55 PM.

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    Kemp's face looks too rounded to me -- one thing all the recon sketches have in common is the high cheekbones and hollowed-out cheeks. But as you say, we'll know soon enough.
    Opinions expressed are strictly my own (who else would they belong to???)

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    Cubby I forgot I even submitted this.. let me look and see.. I don't believe I got an email back.

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    They added a lot of missing girls to the rule out list. I will bold the new ruleouts:

    Ida Anderson 1937 Michigan
    Darcy Brown 1943 Ohio
    Rosemary Buck 1953 New York
    Sandra Butler 1962 Nevada

    Barbara Cotton 1965 North Dakota
    Eva Debruhl 1962 South Carolina
    Lisa Dickinson 1967 California
    Diane Dye 1965 California
    Wendy Eaton 1959 Pennsylvania
    Teresa Fittin 1957 Florida

    Laura Flink 1947 Washington
    Margaret Fox 1960 New Jersey
    Rachael Garden 1964 New Hampshire
    Cynthia Gooding 1958 Florida
    Gina Hall 2008 Virginia
    Charlotte Kinsey 1968 Oklahoma
    Nancy Kirkpatrick 1960 Montana
    Lynn Luray 1948 California
    Katherine Lyon 1964 Maryland
    Sheila Lyon 1962 Maryland
    Deborah McCall 1963 Illinois
    Angela Meeker 1965 Washington
    Nadine O'dell 1958 Michigan
    Judith ODonnell 1961 New York
    Cinda Pallett 1968 Oklahoma

    Eleanor Parker 1962 Louisiana
    Laurie Partridge 1957 Washington
    Robyn Pettinato 1960 Montana

    Kathryn Quackenbush 1964 Maryland
    Deborah Quimby 1963 Massachusetts
    Angela Radar 1962 Virginia
    Donnis Redman 1943 California
    Simone Ridinger 1960 Massachusetts
    Cheryl Scherer 1959 Missouri
    Lynne Schulze Unknown Vermont
    Dorothy Scofield 1964 Florida

    Denise Sheehy 1954 New York
    Edna Thorne 1960 Pennsylvania
    Karen Tompkins 1950 California

    Lisa White 1961 Connecticut
    Lisa Wilson 1960 Texas
    Karen Zendrosky 1963 New Jersey
    Rachel Ziselman 1965 California

    I never received an email from the case manager, so I am going to email the Medical Examiner. Thanks Cubby about this thread, I forgot about it...

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    I just sent any email to the Medical Examiner of the UID... Hopefully I will hear back, not counting on it though. It's so disappointing that so many of these UID's go unidentified because LE doesn't want to put the work into indentifying them!

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    Hi all forgive me if you don't think this is a facial match. The stats and location are consistent. The missing girl is in NamUs but has neither dentals nor DNA. Thoughts?

    Cynthia Joan Gastelle
    The Doe Network: Case File 3010DFMD

    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/3010dfmd.html
    Missing since April 3, 1980 from Takoma Park, Montgomery County, Maryland
    Age at Time of Disappearance: 18 years old
    Height and Weight at Time of Disappearance: 5'0"; 90 lbs.
    Distinguishing Characteristics: White female. brown hair; brown eyes.

    Unidentified White Female
    The Doe Network: Case File 468UFVA

    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/468ufva.html
    The victim was discovered in February 12, 1982 on Bull Run Mountain in Haymarket, Prince William County, Virginia
    Estimated Date of Death: between 1979 and 1981
    Estimated age: 13 - 21 years old
    Approximate Height and Weight: 4'9 - 5'2"; 100-120 lbs.
    Distinguishing Characteristics: Small and slight build.

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    That looks like a good possibility to me.
    Opinions expressed are strictly my own (who else would they belong to???)

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    Quote Originally Posted by zinc View Post
    Hi all forgive me if you don't think this is a facial match. The stats and location are consistent. The missing girl is in NamUs but has neither dentals nor DNA. Thoughts?

    Cynthia Joan Gastelle
    The Doe Network: Case File 3010DFMD

    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/3010dfmd.html
    Missing since April 3, 1980 from Takoma Park, Montgomery County, Maryland
    Age at Time of Disappearance: 18 years old
    Height and Weight at Time of Disappearance: 5'0"; 90 lbs.
    Distinguishing Characteristics: White female. brown hair; brown eyes.

    Unidentified White Female
    The Doe Network: Case File 468UFVA

    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/468ufva.html
    The victim was discovered in February 12, 1982 on Bull Run Mountain in Haymarket, Prince William County, Virginia
    Estimated Date of Death: between 1979 and 1981
    Estimated age: 13 - 21 years old
    Approximate Height and Weight: 4'9 - 5'2"; 100-120 lbs.
    Distinguishing Characteristics: Small and slight build.


    Too bad we don't know if Cynthia had orthodontic work or not. She isn't listed on the Namus Rule out Page: https://identifyus.org/cases/6485/


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    I like this possible despite the lack of info on Cynthia. She is a better possible for this Jane Doe than the Bowling Green KY Jane doe that I came up with on a different thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CarlK90245 View Post
    I like this possible despite the lack of info on Cynthia. She is a better possible for this Jane Doe than the Bowling Green KY Jane doe that I came up with on a different thread.
    Someone send it in. The contacts for the UID on the namus link I have contacted before about another case, and I have never heard a word back. So they probably aren't the route to go.

    Here is Cynthia's Namus Page, she has three different Venues to try to turn in the tip, The Police (under police Information tab, and two on the Contact tab) https://www.findthemissing.org/cases/6111/31/

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    Excuse me Zinc, if I am stepping on your toes, but I left a voicemail message for the Takoma PD Detective to ask whether the comparison was made. When he returns the call, I'll also ask whether CJG is in CODIS.
    Last edited by CarlK90245; 02-10-2011 at 01:11 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CarlK90245 View Post
    Coincidentally, I was looking at Tina Kemp as a possible to Haymarket Jane Doe right when Tina's name came up on the Caledonia Jane Doe thread.

    Tina Faye Kemp
    http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/k/kemp_tina.html



    Her height and age are right, The timeline is consistent, and Haymarket VA is about 125 miles from Felton DE.

    But her chin and jawline are what really get my attention (at least in comparison to the two recons above).

    All four recons look very much different from each other, so it's difficult to determine which features to focus on.

    As for negatives, I don't see any mention that TFK had orthodontic work, and there isn't a very good resemblance in an overall sense. But I've seen plenty of recons that have poor overall resemblance, even if they got the facial shape close.

    Since Haymarket Jane Doe is in CODIS, we'll know soon enough whether this is a match because TFK's DNA profile is in the process of being entered to CODIS.
    I just spoke with Hal Brown of the Delaware ME office, and he said that they had done extensive searching, and found no evidence that Tina F Kemp had been to a dentist. She had been to a doctor who recommended that she see a dentist due to obvious (but unspecified) dental issues, but she had not done so. We decided that since Haymarket Jane Doe had evidence of orthodontics, it is probably not a match, and if it is, CODIS should be able to spot it.

    BTW, he says that they have five FRS samples from TFK's mother and sisters, but he doesn't think that they have been input yet to CODIS.
    Last edited by CarlK90245; 10-12-2012 at 11:55 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CarlK90245 View Post
    Excuse me Zinc, if I am stepping on your toes, but I left a voicemail message for the Takoma PD Detective to ask whether the comparison was made. When he returns the call, I'll also ask whether CJG is in CODIS.
    Toes unscathed; I'm glad you made the call.

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