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    Quote Originally Posted by BritsKate View Post
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    There are lots of reasons people don't have a valid ID. Problems getting a birth certificate or other required documents, differences on their birth certificate (like spelling), associated costs, transportation, living in an urban area not requiring a DL, being a college student who doesn't drive, and minorities are more at risk of having their driving licenses revoked, often for failure to pay fines. Important to remember too that not all ID is considered equal. In Texas, as an example, one can use their concealed carry permit to vote but not a state-issued student university ID.

    Currently, 12 states impose a lifetime ban on voting rights for those convicted of a felony, totaling almost 3.1 million people.


    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/ar...y-about-fraud/


    https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...=.a4199dda71ee


    http://www.sentencingproject.org/pub...hisement-2016/

    I'm not against voting reform if fraud is really proven to be an issue. I happen to love Sweden's idea of automatic enrollment or even Estonia's national ID (it's required full stop as part of citizenship but can also be used to vote remotely as they offer online voting).

    JMO unless links
    So only minority poor people in rural areas can't manage to get a valid id? Who actually buys this is a real thing?

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    http://www.businessinsider.com/study...prisons-2016-6

    incarceration ratios for blacks versus whites are highest in these 5 left leaning states; Iowa, New Jersy, Vermont, Minnesota & Wisconsin.
    I understood every word you said. It was the order that you said them that has me confused.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bwt42 View Post
    http://www.businessinsider.com/study...prisons-2016-6

    incarceration ratios for blacks versus whites are highest in these 5 left leaning states; Iowa, New Jersy, Vermont, Minnesota & Wisconsin.
    According to this, only 2 of those states identify as left-leaning:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...=.025c6d162e53

    The other 3 are up for grabs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fairy1 View Post
    According to this, only 2 of those states identify as left-leaning:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...=.025c6d162e53

    The other 3 are up for grabs.
    But it is interesting that none of them are right leaning conservative states, considering people are often saying that the main reason blacks are incarcerated is because of white supremacy, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by katydid23 View Post
    But it is interesting that none of them are right leaning conservative states, considering people are often saying that the main reason blacks are incarcerated is because of white supremacy, etc.
    What's even more interesting to me is the fact that, with the exception of New Jersey, the other "left-leaning" states named above have very low populations of African Americans overall, which makes the higher incarceration rates much more alarming:

    http://blackdemographics.com/populat...te-population/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jade View Post
    They had it made!

    Itís the typical voluntary immigrant story.

    They werenít betrayed by capture in their home country to cross the Atlantic shackled in the bowels of a slave ship, displayed on a stage then sold at auction, separated forever from their young children, imprisoned by chains, forced to labor long hours in brutal conditions, whipped cruelly, lynched, denied basic rights, denied education, denied performance of cultural and religious practices, allowed no personal possessions, denied land ownership, a legacy for which they suffer grievously from to this day.
    They had it way less "made" than virtually everyone in the US today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bwt42 View Post
    http://www.businessinsider.com/study...prisons-2016-6

    incarceration ratios for blacks versus whites are highest in these 5 left leaning states; Iowa, New Jersy, Vermont, Minnesota & Wisconsin.
    From the linked article:

    The study cites three major reasons for the disparity: policies and practices such as harsh sentences for drug-related crimes that disproportionately affect African-Americans; implicit racial biases that affect judges; and structural disadvantages that affect African-Americans before they enter the criminal-justice system.

    ETA: the above study is the reason Senator Bernie Sanders has advocated for the decriminalization of low-level drug possession & offenses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jade View Post
    They had it made!

    Itís the typical voluntary immigrant story.

    They werenít betrayed by capture in their home country to cross the Atlantic shackled in the bowels of a slave ship, displayed on a stage then sold at auction, separated forever from their young children, imprisoned by chains, forced to labor long hours in brutal conditions, whipped cruelly, lynched, denied basic rights, denied education, denied performance of cultural and religious practices, allowed no personal possessions, denied land ownership, a legacy for which they suffer grievously from to this day.
    Interesting facts about slavery https://youtu.be/V7gN2EYbtgM

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    Quote Originally Posted by vlpate View Post
    Interesting facts about slavery https://youtu.be/V7gN2EYbtgM

    Is this a joke? Is every historian wrong? Is youtube now an acceptable form of news?

    Yes. No. No.

    IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vlpate View Post
    Interesting facts about slavery https://youtu.be/V7gN2EYbtgM
    What is it that you find interesting? And what do you know about Thomas Sowell?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fairy1 View Post
    Is this a joke? Is every historian wrong? Is youtube now an acceptable form of news?

    Yes. No. No.

    IMO.
    Wrong about what?

    This is Politivent and what I posted was an excerpt from an audio book, not "news".

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    Quote Originally Posted by CoolJ View Post
    What is it that you find interesting? And what do you know about Thomas Sowell?
    I find the entire excerpt interesting -- for instance, many people do not realize the US was the first country to abolish slavery.

    I've followed Sowell since the 80's, I know a lot about him, not sure what that has to do with the contents of the clip...are there misstatements of fact?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CoolJ View Post
    What do you mean? All what variables? I am assuming all variables are the same.
    Explain your rationale. Tell us how you really feel. It seems like you are holding back. How can you have an honest conversation if you aren't being completely forthcoming?
    All the "variables" are the "same", got it

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    Quote Originally Posted by vlpate View Post
    I find the entire excerpt interesting -- for instance, many people do not realize the US was the first country to abolish slavery.

    I've followed Sowell since the 80's, I know a lot about him, not sure what that has to do with the contents of the clip...are there misstatements of fact?
    That's neither true nor what he stated.

    With the ratification of the 13th amendment, America didn't formally abolish slavery until 1865. Legislation was passed in 1808 to ban slave trading though smuggling still occurred. However, many European countries beat America to abolition. (Britain deemed slavery illegal in 1772 and banned slave trading in 1807 but slavery wasn't formally abolished until 1833.) Denmark, Sweden, Netherlands, Spain, Portugal, France all abolished slavery before 1865 as well.

    (Sowell stated 'western civilization' was the first to abolish slavery, not America, which is true but only of the Trans-Atlantic slave trade. There have been several historical instances of slavery and its been abolished several times over, all the way back to B.C., in all parts of the world. It's still arguable that western civilization deserves credit for abolishing what they themselves created and propagated. JMO)

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    Quote Originally Posted by vlpate View Post
    They had it way less "made" than virtually everyone in the US today.

    Wow. So they were the progeny of men and women who were kidnapped, sold and shackled until they died?

    Amazing story.

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