I appreciate you giving me that site-thanks Irish MistIrishMist said:
I'm currently reading Steve's book, and I can't imagine a type like him manufacturing any evidence. So would you please name the kind of evidence he allegedly manufactured, and back it up with reliable sources. Thanks.BlueCrab said:I enjoyed his book and I wish Steve Thomas well, but I am not a fan of his. Steve vigorously but blindly pursued a Patsy-Did-It theory with no real evidence to support it, so he manufactured some evidence
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The number one preceding cause of physical child abuse is bed wetting. It's the truth.tipper said:Whereever he is, if he has children, I hope one of them is a bedwetter. He clearly needed to learn what a small deal that is.
Linda7NJ said:The number one preceding cause of physical child abuse is bed wetting. It's the truth.
Interesting isn't it, in view of the fact that ovarian cancer is among the most fast-proceeding and deadly cancers existent.luvbeaches said:And I believe it was the catalyst in the event that unfolded. I also believe there's much more that was going on in that house than we know about. I think things just got out of contol. It happens. For some reason people just don't want to think it's possible, but it does.
As for Patsy beating cancer yet again, good for her. She seems to be able to beat it over and over. I've known a lot of people who haven't been so lucky. She's got more lives than a cat. I do hope she really is in recovery.
That may be true. I couldn't find anything on Google to support it but it doesn't seem unreasonable that some types of parents would overreact to toilet training issues. I did however, find a risk factors associated with child abusers. None seem to apply to the Ramseys.Linda7NJ said:The number one preceding cause of physical child abuse is bed wetting. It's the truth.
tipper said:That may be true. I couldn't find anything on Google to support it but it doesn't seem unreasonable that some types of parents would overreact to toilet training issues. I did however, find a risk factors associated with child abusers. None seem to apply to the Ramseys.
http://www.medicinenet.com/child_abuse/page2.htm
Is there an association between poverty and child abuse?
While children of families in all income levels suffer maltreatment, research suggests that family income is strongly related to incidence rates. Children from families with annual incomes below $15,000 per year are more than 25 times more likely than children from families with annual income above $30,000 to be harmed or endangered by abuse or neglect. Poverty clearly predisposes to child abuse.
http://www.medicinenet.com/child_abuse/page5.htm#35whatfactors
What factors predispose a person to child abuse?
Specialists evaluating an abused child's environment and family background have noted several risk factors for potential abuse:
1. The abuser's childhood: approximately 20% of offenders were themselves abused as children.
2. The abuser's substance abuse: children in alcohol-abusing families are nearly 4 times more likely to be mistreated, almost 5 times more likely to be physically neglected, and 10 times more likely to be emotionally neglected than children in non-alcohol- abusing families. Of all child abuse cases, 50-80% involve some degree of substance abuse by the child's parents.
3. Family stress: the disintegration of the nuclear family and its inherent support systems have been held to be associated with child abuse.
4. Social forces: experts debate whether a presumed reduction in religious/moral values coupled with an increase in the depiction of violence by the entertainment and informational media may increase child abuse.
5. The child: children at higher risk for abuse include infants who are felt to be "overly fussy", handicapped children, and children with chronic diseases.
Specific "trigger" events that occur just before many fatal parental assaults on infants and young children include: an infant's inconsolable crying, feeding difficulties, a toddler's failed toilet training, and exaggerated parental perceptions of acts of "disobedience" by the child.
No but it does suggest the Ramseys don't fit the general profile of parents who abuse their children.luvbeaches said:People kill their children over spilled milk, and bedwetting...and a host of other things. It's a fact. What you've posted is interesting, but doesn't give Patsy a pass.
rashomon said:Interesting isn't it, in view of the fact that ovarian cancer is among the most fast-proceeding and deadly cancers existent.
Whether it was a compassion story the Ramseys planted or whether not, good for her that she is not ill because then there remains the theoretical chance that she will finally tell what happened on that fatal night, maybe to alleviate her conscience. Wonders do happen.
tipper said:No but it does suggest the Ramseys don't fit the general profile of parents who abuse their children.
Good point, luvbeaches.luvbeaches said:I remember the first thing that I heard that made me question the R's was the little coffee klatch they had that morning. Can you even imagine calling your friends to come to your house when you think your daughter has been kidnapped and the ransom note says "don't talk to a stray dog, or she'll be beheaded." Yeah, I'd call all my nearest and dearest to my house! Obviously, they weren't worried about that...I wonder why?
rashomon said:Good point, luvbeaches.
Behavior is circumstantial evidence too, and the way the Ramseys behaved throughout that whole case just screams that they both must be involved into this up to their neck. There is no other explanation.
Yes, the Ramseys called their neighbors over because they knew they had nothing to fear from the kidnappers, for these kidnappers only existed in their concocted ransom note.