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    Known rope in the house

    Remember what Patsy said about the rope found in John Andrew's room, how she had never seen that kind of rope inside the house before?

    TH: You don't remember that being used anywhere in the house or yard or --

    PR: No.

    TH: Would you think that unusual to be found in the house?

    PR: Yeah. I mean, Burke had some ropes that he would play with through something out on the playground, you know, in that, in that picture yesterday the rope around the, the fort, you know, or something.

    TH: Right.

    PR: Always trying to make a boat or something like that.

    TH: This was found inside the house.

    PR: Inside the house?

    TH: In John Andrew's rom?

    PR: Oh. Maybe it was a, some rope he used for camping or something, I don't know.

    TD: Did he have rope in his room that he would use for camping?

    PR: ...I don't know. I just don't remember seeing this specifically, and I don't remember ever seeing a rope like that.


    Hmm. Interesting. Because in 1994, Patsy herself decorated her house with such a rope, and captured the fact on videotape. Portions of the Christmas house tour video were broadcast on MSNBC Investigates, and look at what a closeup shot of the festive dining table reveals:

    http://s92053900.onlinehome.us/tablerope.jpg

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    Excellent find, why_nutt! Do you happen to have a photo of the rope that was in JAR's room? It seems to me I saw one somewhere, but I don't remember where.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ivy
    Excellent find, why_nutt! Do you happen to have a photo of the rope that was in JAR's room? It seems to me I saw one somewhere, but I don't remember where.
    This is the rope found in John Andrew's room.

    http://s92053900.onlinehome.us/johnandrewroomrope.jpg

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    Thanks, why_nutt!! I also believe that JAR's room had (don't know which year--home tour or the fated year) a Christmas tree decorated in a cowboy motiff. I think it's also a possibility that tree might have had some rope on it as decoration.

    Patsy was in that room on Christmas day, packing, and it's likely she was looking in that closet and would have seen it.

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    Thanks, why_nutt. The two ropes appear identical! Why would Patsy lie about never having seen a rope in the house like the one in JAR's room? It was different from the cord used in the garotte, so why was it important that she distance herself from the rope?

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    The rope on the dining room table looks to me to be upholstery/pillow trim. It's not expensive and you can easily find yards and yards of it. I've got a drawerfull. I don't think one would use regular rope on a festive Christmas table (even if it was painted gold.)

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    The table rope, when scaled to the spoon and the glasses in the picture, appears to be 1/2 inch diameter manila rope that has been spray painted.

    As I recall, the rope in JAR's room was also 1/2 inch manila rope because it was taped on the end to keep it from fraying. Man-made rope (nylon, etc.) is usually melted on the end to keep it from fraying.

    Just my opinion.

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    Rope

    I agree that the two ropes could be the same type. When you compare the table rope to the cutlery, wine glass stems and even the candle, it appears to be at least 1/2 inch and more likely between 3/4-1 inch in diameter.

    It does seem like a rather impratical table decoration, but I doubt it was intended for actual eating. If it was for the home tour, then it would be purely ornamental - practicalities set aside.
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    Why_Nut

    I have taken a photograph of a wine glass alongside some gold upholstery trim of the sort Tipper described for comparison.

    Can I send it to you to post? I don't have any webspace to upload it to and link. If so, could you PM me an e-mail addy?
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    A pathological liar will lie because it is more creative than the truth. And what they create is their own self image as they think others see tthem.


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    Quote Originally Posted by why_nutt
    Remember what Patsy said about the rope found in John Andrew's room, how she had never seen that kind of rope inside the house before?
    Because in 1994, Patsy herself decorated her house with such a rope, and captured the fact on videotape.
    Are the two ropes in any way similar? Would you expect to find a rope of any sort lying in the JAR/Guestroom? Which of these two ropes do you think produced the dna found under her fingernails and in her panties?

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    JAR's room doubled as a guest room, that would make it likely the closet in there held some items not used often. Also, that rope could likely have been one JAR used, or one that was used to decorate his tree. It's certainly not unthinkable that the rope in that room couldn't have been one used for table deco, either. The basement held most of that kind of 'stuff', but I wouldn't doubt for a second that Patsy would stuff things in JAR's closet as opposed to running to the basement with it, either.

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    Very interesting WhyNutt. Also, as Imon said, JAR's room wasn't used too often and probably had items stored in there. I know I use my guest room closet for storage sometimes.
    I agree the rope on the dining room table looks identical to the rope found in John Andrew's room. Probably just Patsy's selective memory coming into play.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gretchen
    Very interesting WhyNutt. Also, as Imon said, JAR's room wasn't used too often and probably had items stored in there. I know I use my guest room closet for storage sometimes.
    I agree the rope on the dining room table looks identical to the rope found in John Andrew's room. Probably just Patsy's selective memory coming into play.
    The rope may be a significant clue.

    A pile of heavy rope like this is not what one would expect to find stored in JAR's bedroom or in a guest's bedroom. There must be at least 15 feet of rope there. The garage would be a more appropriate place to store it.

    The rope appears to be 1/2 inch or 5/8 inch 3-strand manila rope. It's not the type of rope used in sailing. Manila rope is used more in the construction industry and other heavy-lifting jobs.

    Several years ago I remember some detailed discussions taking place on this forum about the possible source for some seemingly patterned circumferential abrasions barely noticeable on JonBenet's neck. A twisted telephone cord was one of the top candidates as the source for the patterned marks. But it looks like heavy 1/2 inch twisted 3-strand manila rope like that found in JAR's bedroom might fit the bill much better.

    Just my opinion.

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    Judging from the JBR autopsy photos I've seen, I think the garotte cord was what was used to strangle her. Here's a link to a photo at ACandyRose's site showing a ligature mark, which appears to correspond more closely to the width of the garotte cord than to the width of the rope.

    WARNING: the photo is quite graphic.

    http://www.acandyrose.com/jonbenetfaceright.jpg

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