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    Hoping desperately that he would be found, Ms Tyrrell nevertheless was unable to go public with appeals to find her missing child.

    The case of William Tyrrell is one of Australia’s most puzzling missing child cases.

    There’s no suggestion that either William’s biological or foster families were involved in his disappearance or have any knowledge of his whereabouts.

    But it had been their and the Department of Family and Community Services (FACS)’s secret until Thursday, that William was being cared for by foster parents.

    In 2016 there were almost 700 people in the sights of the investigators and in September 2016, a $1 million reward for information on William’s disappearance was announced.

    At the time William disappeared from the house in Kendall, he was under the control of the Department of Family and Community Services (FACS), being cared for by foster parents in what is referred to as out-of-home care.
    http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/rea...d2a8027c4da671
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    Quote Originally Posted by WWW&H View Post
    Something a bit interesting. His Honour Brereton decided to use Julian as William's name in the recent case that permitted publication of certain details. I decided to wiki the name Julian. Julian as in the Roman emperor his death date was 26 June which just happened to be William's date of birth.
    Do you think it all implies something? I have a cousin overseas called Julian. I really like the name. John Lennon's son is a Julian too.
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    I've been listening to a Podcast about a non-related case, "Somebody knows something".

    In that podcast they use cadaver dogs. The missing person has been gone for 40 years, yet they are still think there is a small chance the dogs can pick up a scent.

    I'm wondering how effective these dogs are. Matthew Leveson was not able to be found, even though they knew the location (they had to return to the spot they originally thought). If the dogs worked, surely something would of been found by them in that instance?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Karinna View Post
    Do you think it all implies something? I have a cousin overseas called Julian. I really like the name. John Lennon's son is a Julian too.
    Just found the connection interesting and puzzling. I was trying to work out why judge chose Julian as a pseudonym for William and the pseudonym Sarah for William's sister.

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    Quote Originally Posted by butterstick View Post
    I've been listening to a Podcast about a non-related case, "Somebody knows something".

    In that podcast they use cadaver dogs. The missing person has been gone for 40 years, yet they are still think there is a small chance the dogs can pick up a scent.

    I'm wondering how effective these dogs are. Matthew Leveson was not able to be found, even though they knew the location (they had to return to the spot they originally thought). If the dogs worked, surely something would of been found by them in that instance?
    Tracking dogs are very useful to track footprints via scent but there is no ground based scent if a child is physically picked up by an abductor and removed from site. If say William had got lost by wandering off without intervention by an abductor his scent would have more than likely been recognised by highly trained dogs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by butterstick View Post
    I've been listening to a Podcast about a non-related case, "Somebody knows something".

    In that podcast they use cadaver dogs. The missing person has been gone for 40 years, yet they are still think there is a small chance the dogs can pick up a scent.

    I'm wondering how effective these dogs are. Matthew Leveson was not able to be found, even though they knew the location (they had to return to the spot they originally thought). If the dogs worked, surely something would of been found by them in that instance?
    There are some awesome K9's used by LE out there. Some dogs can even detect human remains underwater.
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    The Nose Knows
    A cadaver dog searches for a body in Tuscaloosa, Ala., after tornadoes in 2011

    Tom Pennington/Getty Images.

    Police on Thursday revived their search for Etan Patz, a 6-year-old who disappeared in 1979 en route to a New York City bus stop, after a cadaver-sniffing dog recently detected the odor of human remains in a basement near Patz’s SoHo home. Can dogs really smell 33-year-old remains?
    Yes, if you have the right dog. Genetics matter: beagles, bloodhounds, German shepherds, and Labrador retrievers are best, although many breeds are appropriate as long as the dogs prove smart and eager to please. Education is also crucial. At coaching centers for “canine law enforcement officers,” there’s a rigorous training during which the pooch is exposed either to human remains (bits of bone, blood, or nail clippings) or to “pseudoscents” that simulate the death odor. Dogs can only indicate the presence of a smell, not an actual cadaver—but their sensitivity to the olfactory traces of decomposition means they can sometimes tell where a body was even after it’s been removed.
    http://www.cadaverdog.net/the-nose-knows/
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    Quote Originally Posted by WWW&H View Post
    Tracking dogs are very useful to track footprints via scent but there is no ground based scent if a child is physically picked up by an abductor and removed from site. If say William had got lost by wandering off without intervention by an abductor his scent would have more than likely been recognised by highly trained dogs.
    Did they use cadaver detection dogs at all in WT's case or SAR dogs or both? To my knowledge SAR dogs won't detect cadaver odor, but will only detect the scent of where a person has been after given an article of a missing person to sniff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Karinna View Post
    Did they use cadaver detection dogs at all in WT's case or SAR dogs or both? To my knowledge SAR dogs won't detect cadaver odor, but will only detect the scent of where a person has been after given an article of a missing person to sniff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Karinna View Post
    Did they use cadaver detection dogs at all in WT's case or SAR dogs or both? To my knowledge SAR dogs won't detect cadaver odor, but will only detect the scent of where a person has been after given an article of a missing person to sniff.
    Not sure if there might be other indications of what types were used, but there is this, fwiw:

    "Sniffer dogs have failed to pick up any scent of the three-year-old William Tyrell on the NSW mid-north coast, fuelling fears he may not have wandered away from home."

    "Neither police sniffer dogs nor cadaver dogs had been able to pick up any sign of the boy, Fehon said."

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...re-diminishing


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bohemian View Post
    Hope remains for William Tyrrell three years after his disappearance
    Aaron Langmaid, Herald Sun
    26 minutes ago (as of 19:43 AEST 15 September 2017)

    http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/vic...aa4ec9208187af

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    The tragic search for Queenslander Daniel Morcombe dragged on for more than eight years before its biggest breakthrough.'

    'But unlike the meticulous detective work to corner Morcombe’s killer — a string of leads pieced together and a final gamble for his confession — investigators in the William case say, at least publicly, they still lack anything concrete.

    They now play on human emotion. Somebody knows. And they hope the weight of guilt might lead to answers.

    ....
    I have to admit that it really sparks my ire when I read stuff like that which is quoted above 'dragged on for more than eight years before its biggest breakthrough'

    First, there were at least 2 detectives who had their sights on the killer and recommended he be further investigated.. and second, if only someone had bothered to complete and/or check on the DNA testing that had been ordered. Would that perhaps have sped up the process by say, eight years?

    "DNA samples taken from the car belonging to Daniel Morcombe's killer were not examined for eight years, a coronial inquest into the schoolboy's disappearance has heard.

    "Inspector Darren Pobar, a forensics expert with the Queensland Police told the inquest fingerprint, blood and hair samples were taken from Brett Peter Cowan's car in 2003, but were not examined until 2011."

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-12-1...-years/8122904

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    Quote Originally Posted by deugirtni View Post
    Not sure if there might be other indications of what types were used, but there is this, fwiw:

    "Sniffer dogs have failed to pick up any scent of the three-year-old William Tyrell on the NSW mid-north coast, fuelling fears he may not have wandered away from home."

    "Neither police sniffer dogs nor cadaver dogs had been able to pick up any sign of the boy, Fehon said."

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...re-diminishing
    Thanks for posting the info. I remember reading about the sniffer dogs but not cadaver detection dogs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by deugirtni View Post
    I have to admit that it really sparks my ire when I read stuff like that which is quoted above 'dragged on for more than eight years before its biggest breakthrough'

    First, there were at least 2 detectives who had their sights on the killer and recommended he be further investigated.. and second, if only someone had bothered to complete and/or check on the DNA testing that had been ordered. Would that perhaps have sped up the process by say, eight years?

    "DNA samples taken from the car belonging to Daniel Morcombe's killer were not examined for eight years, a coronial inquest into the schoolboy's disappearance has heard.

    "Inspector Darren Pobar, a forensics expert with the Queensland Police told the inquest fingerprint, blood and hair samples were taken from Brett Peter Cowan's car in 2003, but were not examined until 2011."

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-12-1...-years/8122904
    Unforgivable IMO. How does stuff like that happen FGS?
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    Quote Originally Posted by frogwell View Post
    both types............ country and western
    What?
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    So according to those links no detection by sniffer dogs of WT's presence at the house he went missing from?
    So much for a scent to the driveway of the place then.
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