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    Quote Originally Posted by Karinna View Post
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    Hoping desperately that he would be found, Ms Tyrrell nevertheless was unable to go public with appeals to find her missing child.

    The case of William Tyrrell is one of Australia’s most puzzling missing child cases.

    There’s no suggestion that either William’s biological or foster families were involved in his disappearance or have any knowledge of his whereabouts.

    But it had been their and the Department of Family and Community Services (FACS)’s secret until Thursday, that William was being cared for by foster parents.

    In 2016 there were almost 700 people in the sights of the investigators and in September 2016, a $1 million reward for information on William’s disappearance was announced.

    At the time William disappeared from the house in Kendall, he was under the control of the Department of Family and Community Services (FACS), being cared for by foster parents in what is referred to as out-of-home care.
    http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/rea...d2a8027c4da671
    William's biological mother now has that opportunity. I wonder why she hasn't taken advantage of it?
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    Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sept 2014 - #27

    Quote Originally Posted by Karinna View Post
    What?
    It's a line from the film The Blues Brothers. Referring to both types of music. Or dogs in this case. Funny.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Karinna View Post
    Thanks for posting the info. I remember reading about the sniffer dogs but not cadaver detection dogs.
    Me either, and who knows really anything for sure, if it's stated by MSM as opposed to a direct quote, or unless directly out of the mouths of those who actually know, like on an audio or video.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bohemian View Post
    William's biological mother now has that opportunity. I wonder why she hasn't taken advantage of it?
    Rock and hard-place. Hope someone somewhere is helping her get some seriously excellent legal counsel somehow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by deugirtni View Post
    Rock and hard-place. Hope someone somewhere is helping her get some seriously excellent legal counsel somehow.
    Could you clarify what you mean by 'rock and hard-place' and why William's biological mother needs 'seriously excellent legal counsel' please, deugirtni?
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    Quote Originally Posted by iailwa View Post
    But the geo game cache was left there well before the graffiti was written and several articles mention that. I think the police would be very interested... & their dissappointmrnt is simply a red herring ?? Seems so

    http://www.geocachingnsw.asn.au/inde...incidence.html
    That's correct. The police were interested and locked down the area according to this MSM article )link below). As for their disappointment being a 'red herring', in fact, the article also states that 'the discovery may be yet another red herring'.

    http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/new...160920c240b2e1

    The graffiti may have been a clue or it may not but DCI Jubelin has made no further comment to the best of my knowledge. Whether that's for 'operational reasons' or not, your guess is as good as mine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saxons View Post
    Yes I read that as well. I wonder how or why they discounted it. Just sends a discomforting feeling that something about that graffiti is a message.
    Did DCI Jubelin discount it? There was a statement (from local police?) mentioned in this article:

    '"About 6.30pm yesterday (Sunday 7 February 2016), a member of the public contacted police after a reference to William Tyrrell was found painted on a tree in a state forest near Stewart’s River, about 10km south of Kendall,” NSW Police said via a statement.

    “A glass jar with a number of items was located beneath the tree.

    “Local police attended and informed detectives attached to Strike Force Rosann. Police secured the area and seized the items.”

    “Following inquiries, police have determined the items and painting were a result of ‘geocaching’, an outdoor activity in which participants use GPS coordinates to hide and seek items,” the statement reads.'

    http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/new...160920c240b2e1

    If the graffiti was considered a message DCI Jubelin hasn't, to my knowledge, made any further comment.
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    Did anyone else pick up on the comment about the third car that was forensically tested being cleared. At the very end of the press conference one of the journos asked about the third vehicle and Jubes confirmed that it had been cleared.


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    Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sept 2014 - #27

    I can no longer find the link to the press conference which includes the journos questions at the end. Anyone else got it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by WWW&H View Post
    Just found the connection interesting and puzzling. I was trying to work out why judge chose Julian as a pseudonym for William and the pseudonym Sarah for William's sister.
    The pseudonyms may not, in fact, have been chosen by Judge Brereton but NSW Supreme Court staff, as they are in the Family Court:

    Court pseudonyms and ICAC codenames explained
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    Jan 4, 2015

    'Two inventive court staff are behind the names assigned to couples and their children to protect their privacy during Family Court proceedings, Fairfax Media has been told, and they seem a well-read pair.

    From the Darling family – an allusion, perhaps, to J.M. Barrie's classic novel Peter Pan – to the enduringly popular Jane Austen, literature is well represented. There is even a Mr Oliver, although there is no Mr Twist.

    Greek mythology also got a nod this year with a reference to the Orpheus family.

    In a rare glimpse into the pseudonym selection process, the Federal Court said in a presentation in Sydney that the name must be "phonetically dissimilar" to the parties' real name. It should also be respectful and culturally sensitive.

    The court says one of the reasons that names are used instead of letters is that they are easier to remember, and can be used over the "life" of the case including any appeals.'

    http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/court-pseu...21-12byzi.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cagney&Lacey View Post
    I can no longer find the link to the press conference which includes the journos questions at the end. Anyone else got it.


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    This one, C&G? DCI Jubelin starts speaking at around 6 minutes:

    https://www.pscp.tv/w/1LyxBEAvXDaJN
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bohemian View Post
    This one, C&G? DCI Jubelin starts speaking at around 6 minutes:

    https://www.pscp.tv/w/1LyxBEAvXDaJN
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cagney&Lacey View Post
    Did anyone else pick up on the comment about the third car that was forensically tested being cleared. At the very end of the press conference one of the journos asked about the third vehicle and Jubes confirmed that it had been cleared.


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    I think DCI Jubelin was talking about AJ's car seized from his wife's neighbour's garage, after the appeal for information about the cars (reported by William's foster mother) that were parked across the road from 48 Benaroon Drive on the morning William disappeared.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bohemian View Post
    Could you clarify what you mean by 'rock and hard-place' and why William's biological mother needs 'seriously excellent legal counsel' please, deugirtni?
    When I think about things, I try to think from the perspective of who I'm thinking about. Here is a young single mom, who had little in the way of family support, her boyfriend/dad of her babies gone to jail, FACS had taken her kids to go to a foster home. She went on to have other children not too long after, whom she is somehow deemed to be fit enough to raise in her own household, however apparently FACS would not return her first 2 babies to her care. The carers would like to raise those children as their own. I get the impression that she has little in the way of financial means to launch a lawsuit against the powers that be. She has commented that she has wanted to speak out in pursuit of her missing child, but she was not allowed. She has already indicated unhappiness about various aspects of this whole situation. She has indicated that she can't say a lot because she has her other children in her care. Obviously she doesn't want to risk losing them too. It has now come out in public that she is the biological mom of WT. And instead of compassion for this mother who had no say in how WT was being watched on the day he disappeared, the media is dragging negative aspects of her life, possibly her past life, through the mud, across the nation, and chasing her with their cameras, even when she has her children in tow, etc.

    One might presume that the mom in such a story may at least try to make a claim against the government in regard to what has happened to her child while in its care. Yet if she does that, will she risk being able to continue mothering the children currently in her care? FACS went to long and expensive lengths (at the taxpayers' expense, mind you), to keep this information hidden. We can tell from what is written in media that media is still being warned not to print certain things, for 'legal reasons'. Call it a hunch, but I suspect that this mom is also being 'warned' about speaking publicly.

    We know from a publicly viewable legal document that she is fighting to get her remaining child back into her care. She is between a rock and a hard place because to get one thing very important to her, she may be risking another thing that may be just as important to her. Her moves at this time could have serious, permanent, life-long effects that may or may not turn out to be positive for her. I truly hope that she has been given support from somewhere to allow her to obtain not just legal advice, but *excellent* legal advice, to help guide her through this maze, to give her strength in knowing the right thing to do, etc. I sure wouldn't want to be her. And I'll bet that once this story finally has an ending, if ever, it may be quite interesting to read about what she went through, from her (short) end of stick. All my opinion, of course.

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    I hope we all realise that William was not removed from his biological home because the mother was young and inexperienced, with little support. There are thousands of young, inexperienced, unsupported mothers out there that still have custody of all their children. Have not even been thought about to have their children removed.

    It is one thing having empathy for her now. She seems to have turned things around. And good on her. I couldn't be more pleased about that.

    But it is another thing to think that the state would remove a child because the mother is young and experienced, with little support. The state gives opportunity after opportunity, offers assistance, offers classes, offers counselling, offers respite care, (all of which the taxpayer pays for) ... before they finally remove a child ... if they remove the child. Sometimes they don't even do that. Look at the case of Chloe Valentine.

    Heck, caseworkers themselves have been known to remove piles of garbage from houses, clean up, put food in the fridge, just to try to give the little munchkins a chance and show an active example to the mothers. Because they must give the mothers many opportunities, even though every instinct in them is telling them to take the child away. (Again, look at Chloe Valentine's case.)

    I don't know how things work in other countries. But this is how it works in Australia.

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