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  1. #136
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    joefriday,

    Let's keep the facts straight. Conn. Ave. dose not pass Wheaton plaza.
    #2, Fred Coffey has only been convicted of 1 murder. #3,You don't have
    to beleive I am a 2 time spotter of the "TRM". #4,Go back &read some of
    the things you've said, they don't make sense.

    You've criticized my postings, but all you have to offer are jumbled up
    speculations with no support behind them.


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    Quote Originally Posted by joefriday View Post
    Georgiagirl - I was referring to Coffey. He is guilty in at least 2 murders. Richard, with his open and intelligent response, has given me inspiration to at least continue with information I have learned.

    Rich - did you notice when I asked people to map-quest the location, a supposed 2 time spotter of the " TRM " comes up with University Blvd as an escape route, making it some how different that Connecticut and Georgia??

    I think there are too many "one theory passionates" around this case. pretending to have seen the TRM or the vehicle with abducted girls, etc,, etc. That can be translated to mean, something is amiss.

    Thanks for clearing that up! Your post makes sense now!
    The above post is as always MY OPINION ONLY!


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    Kensington Residential Area Roads...

    Quote Originally Posted by joefriday View Post
    Anyone interested in the Lyon case. Please Map-quest, in detail, the "escape" route before commenting ... Thanks.
    Please see a previous post titled: Kensington Residential Area Roads... which is on the Suspects and Persons of Interest thread in this subject.

    The girls could have taken a couple of different intended routes from Wheaton Plaza to home, but they would have started down Faulkner to Drumm initially.

    - At McComas, they could have turned left and walked up to Jennings.
    - Or they could have entered the woods on a foot path near the intersection of Drumm and McComas. This path was mentioned by their mother as their "usual" route.
    - Or they could have continued on Drumm to where it is blocked off to vehicle traffic, walked through a short walking place, and then continued on Drumm where it was again open to vehicle traffic. At that point, they could have walked to Plyers Mill Road and turned left, walking the last block to their house.
    - They could also at a few points along Drum have turned left to cut through yards and/or the wooded area to their home on the corner of Jennings and Plyers Mill Roads.

    The roads in the housing subdivision adjacent are (and were then) a sort of twisting maze, with a number of dead ends. A person would have to know them pretty well before chancing an escape through that area.

    It is very likely and possible that a person intent on abducting two girls whom he saw at the mall - and who wanted to make a quick get away might enter the area from Drumm Ave, turn his car around, and wait for his intended victims at the intersection of Drumm and McComas. Waiting at any other place further inside the housing area might mean missing the girls, depending upon which route they chose.

    Once they were in his vehicle, he could drive back up Drumm, turn onto main roads and go where he wanted to take them.

    This scenario assumes that he intended to abduct them inside the housing area, rather than in the more open parking lot of Wheaton Plaza. It would also allow for acceptance of the boy's statement that he saw the girls heading West on Drum, near Devon, as McComas is the next road intersecting Drumm along the route.


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    Darn well done, Richard.

    However, did you notice how convoluted your rationale had to become to even support theoretical routes which would have gotten them to a major artery, like University Blvd, ((((which has/had more intersections and pedestrian crosswalks and traffic signals than Connecticut of Georgia??)))

    It reminds me of the song by Simon and Garfunkel : "The Boxer" :
    ....a Man hears what he wants to hear, and disregards the rest..."

    Tight lines


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    joefriday

    I totally agree with you!!! You make perfect sense to me.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Skipper View Post
    I totally agree with you!!! You make perfect sense to me.
    Oh look! Skippers back!!
    The above post is as always MY OPINION ONLY!


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    F H Coffey, Jr Update

    Fred Howard Coffey, Jr: NEXT CUSTODY REVIEW DATE: 11-01-2007.

    LIFE SENTENCE for MURDER FIRST DEGREE (PRINCIPAL): SENTENCE BEGIN DATE: 11-06-2007.

    Of the 5 lesser charges of 10 years each for INDECENT LIBERTY W/CHILD (PRINCIPAL) 4 HAVE EXPIRED.

    PROJECTED RELEASE DATE: 11-06-2007 (for the 5th lesser charge.)

    This indicates his parole hearings provided a 4 or 5 year possibility of early release for good behavior...no fighting or causing trouble of any kind and that his LIFE sentence for MURDER is to begin upon completion of the 5th lesser charge.

    For anyone in law enforcement to disqualify F H Coffey, Jr as a possible suspect or person of interest in the Lyon sister's case or any of the other disappearances during the same time frame would be highly irresponsible. I seriously doubt Montgomery county LE has done or will do that.

    No one here has put Fred Coffey in prison. He did that himself and NC law is keeping him there.

    It is interesting to note not only that TRM and Coffey both have blue eyes but that certain facial characteristics match and there is resemblence between the two in several photographs of Coffey as well as the possibility he was premature grey and was known to change the color of his hair from dark to salt and pepper to grey. His MO is also highly suspicious just to mention a few facts produced by intensive research/investigation into Mr. Coffey and his personal history, convictions and cases in other states by several people on this forum and by eye witnesses. However, without circumstancial and more importantly DNA evidence linking him to any of the disapearances the case is at a stand still. By law, Fred Coffey's DNA is on file with North Carolina...if anyone could find DNA in the Cathy Lynn Beatty case it would be the only way to implicate or disqualify Fred Coffey as a possible suspect.


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    F H Coffey, Jr Update

    Fred Howard Coffey, Jr: NEXT CUSTODY REVIEW DATE: 11-01-2007.

    LIFE SENTENCE for MURDER FIRST DEGREE (PRINCIPAL): SENTENCE BEGIN DATE: 11-06-2007.

    Of the 5 lesser charges of 10 years each for INDECENT LIBERTY W/CHILD (PRINCIPAL) 4 HAVE EXPIRED.

    PROJECTED RELEASE DATE: 11-06-2007 (for the 5th lesser charge.)

    This indicates his parole hearings provided a 4 or 5 year possibility of early release for good behavior...no fighting or causing trouble of any kind and that his LIFE sentence for MURDER is to begin upon completion of the 5th lesser charge.

    For anyone in law enforcement to disqualify F H Coffey, Jr as a possible suspect or person of interest in the Lyon sister's case or any of the other disappearances during the same time frame would be highly irresponsible. I seriously doubt Montgomery county LE has done or will do that.

    No one here has put Fred Coffey in prison. He did that himself and NC law is keeping him there.

    It is interesting to note not only that TRM and Coffey both have blue eyes but that certain facial characteristics match and there is resemblence between the two in several photographs of Coffey as well as the possibility he was premature grey and was known to change the color of his hair from dark to salt and pepper to grey. His MO is also highly suspicious just to mention a few facts produced by intensive research/investigation into Mr. Coffey and his personal history, convictions and cases in other states by several people on this forum and by eye witnesses. However, without circumstancial and more importantly DNA evidence linking him to any of the disapearances the case is at a stand still. By law, Fred Coffey's DNA is on file with North Carolina...if anyone could find DNA in the Cathy Lynn Beatty case it would be the only way to implicate or disqualify Fred Coffey as a possible suspect.


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    Like in the old song...

    Quote Originally Posted by joefriday View Post
    Darn well done, Richard.

    However, did you notice how convoluted your rationale had to become to even support theoretical routes which would have gotten them to a major artery, like University Blvd, ((((which has/had more intersections and pedestrian crosswalks and traffic signals than Connecticut of Georgia??)))

    It reminds me of the song by Simon and Garfunkel : "The Boxer" :
    ....a Man hears what he wants to hear, and disregards the rest..."

    Tight lines
    You have to apply some sort of logic in any theoretical scenario. As you have said, anything is possible.

    Two things have to be kept in mind here. The first is the intended track of the girls, and the second is the intended track of their (probable) abductor. The girls could go places where a vehicle could not go, and vice versa.

    The girls were on foot and wanted to return home - most likely by their usual route or one of a few slight variations on that route, through the housing area. They would have been going out of their way to intersect any main roads. This is not to say that they DIDN'T go to a main road, but if so, they would have been going in a direction other than toward their home.

    The abductor, on the other hand, was most likely driving a vehicle, and would have had to take a main road to exit the Wheaton Plaza parking lot - even if he wanted to drive on any of the housing area roads. There were three exits from Wheaton Plaza, all going directly onto major roads.

    Easy logic might suggest that the abductor would have preferred to get the girls to enter his vehicle in the parking lot, from which he could make a quick exit.

    IF his intent was to pick the girls up on the residential streets, then he most likely had gained some information as to where they came from and where they were going. He could have done this by observing their arrival and departure that day, or on previous occasion(s) - or perhaps he gained that information by speaking with the girls.

    Because there was no reported scuffle or disturbance at any time, I suspect that the abductor had gained the girls' confidence earlier and in some way tricked them into entering his vehicle willingly.

    The girls' mother, Mary Lyon suggested this as a possibility very early in the investigation. She speculated that someone might have told the girls that there had been an accident and that their parents were in the hospital, and that he had been sent to get them.


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    Richard -

    I am not assuming the girls were taken anywhere of significance!!!!! Okay!!! All the local roads lead to multiple traffic lights where screaming girls could have been a bit of a distraction!!! Duh....

    How about someone they really knew, in the general neighborhood, being the culprit? Doesn't it fit all the criteria for Criminology 102????

    Why do we have to keep have some mysterious abductor that goes to other states undetected??

    Does this make sence to anyone??


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    joefriday
    Since you,ve accused me of lying about seeing TRM twice, I suppose you feel this opens the door for your theories. I have told the truth, & Richard (through his reaserch) has indicated there were other killers working the area at the time. You,re not the first to come up with another theory. Anything is possible.

    I suppose we could call SAC & see if there were any UFOs reported in the area that day.

    The point I,m trying yo make is,if you respect other peoples theories, than maybe you,ll receive respect in return.


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    I accused you of nothing, Jeb. I only said that you said you were only 80% certain that Coffey was the individual you saw in Wheaton Plaza with a "tape recorder". So what? Where did this "liar" stuff come from. If you did not say that, perhaps I misheard you. Ok...fine, just say so. But I NEVER called you anything beyond what I just said.

    So why this tirade? What , for God's sake, did I do except throw another perspective on this case? I agree there were killers in the area then and now.....so what?? That proves nothing about this specific case. Why do you feel personally attacked?

    Is this the normal response on this site? Chill..........


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    Quote Originally Posted by joefriday View Post
    Georgiagirl - I was referring to Coffey. He is guilty in at least 2 murders. Richard, with his open and intelligent response, has given me inspiration to at least continue with information I have learned.

    Rich - did you notice when I asked people to map-quest the location, a supposed 2 time spotter of the " TRM " comes up with University Blvd as an escape route, making it some how different that Connecticut and Georgia??

    I think there are too many "one theory passionates" around this case. pretending to have seen the TRM or the vehicle with abducted girls, etc,, etc. That can be translated to mean, something is amiss.

    joefriday,

    "a supposed 2 time spotter of the "TRM"." I spotted TRM 2 times, I'm not a supposed 2 time spotter.

    "pretending to have seen the TRM". I didn't pretend to see a damn thing, I did indeed see him.

    These are accusations that I'm lying, coming from YOU !!


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    Coming from me, or coming for me?

    Who are you??


    cc's (blind)


  17. #150
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    First, please, everyone. I AM NOT the Joe Friday ( with cap.'s ) who made so many controversial comments on the Scott Peterson case.

    I am a totally different person, and the administrator assures me that that person had not been a member for a long time.

    Thanks


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