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    Quote Originally Posted by SeesSeas View Post
    And per the news reports, there is no need for the shipping waiver because:
    there was “sufficient capacity” of U.S.-flagged vessels to move commodities to Puerto Rico.
    And six days later, the Comfort will leave VA for Puerto Rico in 4 days and arrive 5 days after that. In many cases the commodities are not yet on the way. There is a water crisis, food crisis, diesel fuel crisis. So if there is sufficient capacity---where are the commodities and why are they not in port and getting on the ground?

    You can keep quoting FEMA and I will keep quoting people interviewed on the mainland and on the islands. The FEMA statements about assets don't seem to be computing with people on the ground.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kaen View Post
    And six days later, the Comfort will leave VA for Puerto Rico in 4 days and arrive 5 days after that. In many cases the commodities are not yet on the way. There is a water crisis, food crisis, diesel fuel crisis. So if there is sufficient capacity---where are the commodities and why are they not in port and getting on the ground?

    You can keep quoting FEMA and I will keep quoting people interviewed on the mainland and on the islands. The FEMA statements about assets don't seem to be computing with people on the ground.

    And tonight the president is fund raising.........
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    http://abc7ny.com/weather/aid-begins...-rico/2448839/

    Re: where are the commodities and why are they not in port and getting on the ground?
    Re: The FEMA statements about assets don't seem to be computing with people on the ground.

    Aid begins to flow to hurricane-ravaged Puerto Rico


    Sunday, September 24, 2017 09:04AM

    SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico --
    Large amounts of federal aid began moving into Puerto Rico on Saturday, welcomed by local officials who praised the Trump administration's response . . .
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    The opening of the island's main port in the capital allowed 11 ships to bring in 1.6 million gallons of water, 23,000 cots, dozens of generators and food. Dozens more shipments are expected in upcoming days.
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    Rossello said Maria would clearly cost more than the last major storm to wallop the island, Hurricane George in September 1998. "This is without a doubt the biggest catastrophe in modern history for Puerto Rico," he said.

    Rossello and other officials praised the federal government for planning its response in detail before the storm hit, a contrast with what Puerto Rico has long seen as the neglect of 3.4 million Americans living in a territory without a vote in Congress or the electoral college.

    "This is the first time we get this type of federal coordination," said Resident Commission Jenniffer Gonzalez, Puerto Rico's non-voting representative in Washington.
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    And...days later. They don't have enough water, food, medicines. On TV tonight, Republicans were suggesting that paratroopers can be sent in. With temps at 109 degrees, the window is shutting for survivors who have not been reached by search and rescue. Now, Rossello and many officials are saying they don't ave what they need. Which is true? Probably both, as ships came in on the weekend, they were hopeful that needs would be met. Now, with things being slow and not having what they need, they believe differently. The military probably is the best resource to activate and move into this area. Again, I see Katrina beginning to unfold in Puerto Rico. You can keep quoting FEMA. But, hopefully, you understand that all the FEMA claims in the world don't take away that the response is not adequate, according to people on the ground. IF not, there is really no need to respond to me on this topic further b/c I can't be convinced that all is ducky just because FEMA says so.
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    I'm a pretty simple person so to my thinking if the government's response to Puerto Rico were sufficient, conservatives on Twitter wouldn't be warning of a mass exodus of PR citizens to Florida that may vote in the next election. Mind you, many of them think that's hardly the most pressing issue - obviously humanitarian needs trump everything right now - but they've definitely sounded the whistle that the administration's approach may factor into how Florida plays out in 2020.

    Common sense dictates they wouldn't be doing so if Trump were handling this properly. And FWIW, many of those same conservatives are struggling to come up with a reason for not waiving the Jones Act. JMO
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    https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...=.30db5df64f7f

    ^^^^This is the issue. FEMA showing up with no supplies to small towns and having to radio in the needs. I can tell them before they go. Water, medical supplies, food, and people who can do work to repair infrastructure. Now, we know.... let's go. #TheNewKatrina
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    The administrator of the Federal Emergency Management Agency, Brock Long, said Tuesday that badly damaged airports and seaports are making it difficult to get aid and personnel to the stricken island.

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/maria-d...n-federal-aid/

    Long said 16 Navy and Coast Guard ships were in the waters around Puerto Rico, with 10 more ships on the way. They include the USNS Comfort, a Navy hospital ship. Planes and ships were also bringing in a military force numbering in the thousands to help distribute aid. Military aircraft were dropping food and water to areas of the island still isolated and unable to receive help by road, he said.

    Long stressed that coordinating the response in Puerto Rico offered greater challenges than FEMA faced after Hurricane Harvey hit Texas and Hurricane Irma hit Florida.

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    "It's an island. We don't just drive trucks and resources onto an island," Long said, stressing that all supplies had to cross hundreds of miles of water to get to the U.S. territory.
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    Maybe FEMA needed an administrator who could have been working on the needs of all American soil from say January 20 rather than waiting until June to appoint one. Yes, there are island types of issues present in this disaster. BUT, that is exactly what the Federal Emergency Management Agency is for---planning for disasters that affect American states and territories. Read the WaPo article above. It is heart wrenching. Aid workers in towns bringing no aid. People will begin to die in greater numbers now because even healthy people can't sustain.

    What the above post doesn't clarify is that the USNS Comfort will be leaving port in 3 days from now and it will take 5 days to reach Puerto Rico.

    No, you don't drive trucks to an island. But couldn't the Comfort have left VA 5 days ago. If they did they would be almost there by now. They could have staged shipping to come and be ready or sent ships and airlifted supplies off and into the hardest hit regions. But, what do I know? I shouldn't have to know more than FEMA.

    Who would have known that national disasters in hurricane season could be so complicated? Darn it, we all know. How come the president doesn't know? How come he waited to staff FEMA? How come he was so present in Texas and Florida but is virtually silent except to talk about budget and Puerto Rico and self-congratulate.

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    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.5b69aa6336dc


    Rossello needs more... from three days ago. Wants to ensure funding. No new FEMA aid set to be determined until Oct 15.
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    The hospital ship USNS Comfort is expected to leave Baltimore by Saturday, and it will take three to five days to reach Puerto Rico.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...=.003c00cd7cf1
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    Last edited by FinallyRegistered; 09-27-2017 at 09:50 AM.
    FACT: Only 19.41% of total US Citizens made the effort to place their vote for Trump, and he won. GET OUT AND VOTE!

    Trump/Russia Timeline: http://billmoyers.com/story/trump-russia-timeline/


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    Quote Originally Posted by Elley Mae View Post
    The hospital ship USNS Comfort is expected to leave Baltimore by Saturday, and it will take three to five days to reach Puerto Rico.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...=.003c00cd7cf1
    Correct. It will leave Baltimore on Saturday the 30th and arrive on around the 4th of October.


    http://www.miamiherald.com/latest-ne...175507151.html

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    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.53afeda5f314

    Another good article on the need for more troops and response.


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    Maybe 45 is confused - someone needs to tell him that Puetro Rico has nothing to do with RICO laws.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racket...anizations_Act

    The Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act, commonly referred to as the RICO Act or simply RICO, is a United States federal law that provides for extended criminal penalties and a civil cause of action for acts performed as part of an ongoing criminal organization. The RICO Act focuses specifically on racketeering, and it allows the leaders of a syndicate to be tried for the crimes which they ordered others to do or assisted them in doing, closing a perceived loophole that allowed a person who instructed someone else to, for example, murder, to be exempt from the trial because they did not actually commit the crime personally.
    FACT: Only 19.41% of total US Citizens made the effort to place their vote for Trump, and he won. GET OUT AND VOTE!

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    Longtime GOP operative, Steve Schmidt


    “There are millions of our fellow Americans on Puerto Rico facing great danger and suffering,” GOP strategist Steve Schmidt, a frequent Trump critic, said on Twitter on Monday. “Trump silence and inaction is appalling.”
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.8885e7b167c4

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    Just watched an interview out of PR (no link, but it was CNN or MSNBC).

    One of the complaints made by a man who looked pretty desperate--National Guard is there, but standing around "Doing nothing".
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