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    IMOO There is a correlation (psychologically) between exhibitionism and threatening with an axe/hatchet...both phallic aggressive attempts to threaten and shock, rendering the victim momentarily confused, distressed, ...robbed of presence of mind to feel a sense of control over the interaction. Exhibitionism is a violation of unspoken but understood rules of normal interpersonal engagement. DN's prior history of exhibitionism and his recent arrest for threatening with an axe suggest underlying acting out of power dynamics in interpersonal engagements. It is no surprise that exhibitionism frequently escalates to more serious forms of acting out control/power dynamics. What one had to endure passively gets acted out actively, With this in mind, and with the other details of DN and the Delphi murders, I can see him being the one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tokyorose View Post
    Thanks. I thought that I remembered that the person who was there to pick them up started searching the trails and calling for the girls at 3:30 when he/she went to pick Abby and Libby up and couldn't find them. My understanding was that the family waited until 5:30 to call authorities and that's where that time comes from. Let me go back and search time lines... anyone else who can help?
    It would be good to know the timeline. I thought it was here already somewhere, so perhaps someone else knows where it is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by foxbluff View Post
    For some strange reason, after reading here all day, an image of DN waving his tools at people keeps coming to mind....ugh...
    Please google "hatchetman" and you will see a symbol for it in many forms: as jewel, as print on caps, and so on .....

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    Quote Originally Posted by apples12 View Post
    IMOO There is a correlation (psychologically) between exhibitionism and threatening with an axe/hatchet...both phallic aggressive attempts to threaten and shock, rendering the victim momentarily confused, distressed, ...robbed of presence of mind to feel a sense of control over the interaction. Exhibitionism is a violation of unspoken but understood rules of normal interpersonal engagement. DN's prior history of exhibitionism and his recent arrest for threatening with an axe suggest underlying acting out of power dynamics in interpersonal engagements. It is no surprise that exhibitionism frequently escalates to more serious forms of acting out control/power dynamics. What one had to endure passively gets acted out actively, With this in mind, and with the other details of DN and the Delphi murders, I can see him being the one.
    Brilliant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TeaTime View Post
    On 9/19 - thread #67, post # 877, I suggested the possibility that BG was living in a van off the grid, like a nomad. eek

    Some of his photos resemble the photos of BG, except he doesn't look that large. He looks rather scrawny but I suppose that could be the result of living in/out of his car for a few months.

    Am I to understand that DN was registered as living in a motel in IN and IN LE went to look for him in July but learned he had moved away in May?

    Are we thinking that he exposed himself to the girls, they captured it on film and he killed them so he wouldn't go back to jail?
    I share the same thoughts that he may have exposed himself and saw that photos were taken so he felt the need to kill them to keep them from reporting him to law enforcement. JMO

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leomoon80 View Post
    Everything I read said they didn't look for the girls until the 5:30 PM appointed time to pick them up!

    Where did you get 3:30PM?

    Do we have a timeline link for that day?
    thanks....
    They were to be picked up between 3 and 3:30, I believe their ride started looking for them at about 3:30. LE was contacted about them at about 5:30. I believe there is a time line in the media thread for this case. MOO
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    I think there may well have been exhibitionism involved, however I doubt the killings were motivated because he knew they took a pic or video. He left the i phone, most likely accidentally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leomoon80 View Post
    Everything I read said they didn't look for the girls until the 5:30 PM appointed time to pick them up!

    Where did you get 3:30PM?

    Do we have a timeline link for that day?
    thanks....
    Its in one of the articles from early in the investigation . A family member arrived to pick them up at about 3:30, and began looking for them when they weren't at the pickup spot, and did not answer the phone.Police were notified around 5:30. It's in the timeline somewhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lonetraveler View Post
    I share the same thoughts that he may have exposed himself and saw that photos were taken so he felt the need to kill them to keep them from reporting him to law enforcement. JMO

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    The only hesitation I have about that is he does this purposefully wanting the unsuspecting victims to see him exposed. He would have to know due to all of the times he was reported and convicted they would tell the police with or without them taking any video.

    I think this was a crime of opportunity. One he had thought about for a very long time playing it over and over in his head. This time he wouldn't just have to expose himself, but could carryout his ultimate deviant sick fantasies of actually raping his victims who were all alone with no one else around. Then of course he knew he couldn't leave any witnesses behind so he also murdered them both which also may have been a fantasy of his he had held for a long time.

    I do believe he is a deep seeded woman hater for sure, but all that would do is make it easier for him to brutalize, and murder females.

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    Quote Originally Posted by terpstra1 View Post
    Imo 45 minutes would have been more than enough time.

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    Warning, this is graphic and MOO. I guess it would depend on a definition of sexual assault/rape. Assume that they were all where Abby and Libby were found at 2:30 pm after a 20 minute hike down from the bridge. That gives him 45 minutes to an hour before family is there and actively searching. If they weren't there until 2:45 then the time line is even tighter. There are 2 girls and after raping and murdering the first girl who IMO may have put up a fight he is going to be tired. Speaking frankly and keeping human biology in mind, I do not think he would have had the stamina to rape and murder clean up, partially bury (MOO) the second girl and still get out of dodge in time for witnesses to see him looking cool calm and collected as he made his way back off the trail system and out of dodge. MOO but this is why I think if a rape in the usual way occurred then only one at most was raped. Sorry to be graphic but it speaks to the nature of this crime, which is horrific and full of rage.


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    If I was a family member I would be right here daily with people who deeply cared - worrying every detail, and keeping their girls alive in memory their hearts, never to let them go until there is justice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by apples12 View Post
    IMOO There is a correlation (psychologically) between exhibitionism and threatening with an axe/hatchet...both phallic aggressive attempts to threaten and shock, rendering the victim momentarily confused, distressed, ...robbed of presence of mind to feel a sense of control over the interaction. Exhibitionism is a violation of unspoken but understood rules of normal interpersonal engagement. DN's prior history of exhibitionism and his recent arrest for threatening with an axe suggest underlying acting out of power dynamics in interpersonal engagements. It is no surprise that exhibitionism frequently escalates to more serious forms of acting out control/power dynamics. What one had to endure passively gets acted out actively, With this in mind, and with the other details of DN and the Delphi murders, I can see him being the one.
    Although not "verified", me thinks you do this type of analysis as a profession, or should. Terrific insights, thank you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunslinging Granny View Post
    None of the articles describe how close the shooter likely was to Tim Watkins. It's possible the killer shot him from a distance for the "sport" of it and then approached his wounded prey and shot him again. It's so evil to shoot an innocent bike rider that it's hard to conceptualize.
    Indeeeed. Hence my signature. John Jacoby was randomly shot riding his bicycle right here in Colorado in May 2015, north of Denver, case known as Northern Colorado Shootings.

    So, I was able to determine via SM record DN and family were in Denver on May 16 2017, and possibly went to a Denver shelter on May 18 2017.

    Why Denver? Has a previous connection to Colorado been found yet, still reading, sorry if already posted.

    Going back to look at something...

    FTR
    not stating a connection by any means. Just taking a look at NOCO, that's all. How can I not?

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    Eta: Cheese and rice. That's what I thought. JJ was shot on May 18. Strange coincidence. Gotta be.

    FTR .22 rifles have been considered endlessly in the NOCO threads. Cori Romero, who was shot in the neck while driving, was shot with a .22, and her shooting was also linked to JJ.

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    Just thought I'd throw this out there, The Denver Post is reporting a body was found by the side of interstate 25 yesterday north of Monument. It is being investigated as a homicide.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lonetraveler View Post
    I share the same thoughts that he may have exposed himself and saw that photos were taken so he felt the need to kill them to keep them from reporting him to law enforcement. JMO

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    If he knew photos were taken, why wouldn't he have taken the phone? We know the phone was recovered at the crime scene.


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