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  1. #511
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    pretty sure that DNA story is creative writing by the reporter..
    it's over a month old and no other news agency has picked it up that I've seen.

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    Just waiting on that vital presser ...I guess the good thing here is its a win /win situation..if DN isnt BG then a very scary character is off the streets and if he is .. oh boy justice time

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    Quote Originally Posted by NotSoGrumpy View Post
    Someone in an earlier thread wondered how LE could clear so many sex offenders so quickly.

    My belief is....

    They have DNA. They can exclude potentials based on that profile and when they catch him, he will be caught.

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    Lets say they have DNA.

    DN's DNA would be on file in South Carolina.


    Justice for Abigail Williams and Liberty German

    Justice for Brittanee Drexel

    Justice for all child and juvenile victims of monsters

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    Quote Originally Posted by Falling Down View Post
    Lets say they have DNA.

    DN's DNA would be on file in South Carolina.
    Then maybe he isn't the perp. Maybe they are looking for someone who isn't in the database.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NotSoGrumpy View Post
    Then maybe he isn't the perp. Maybe they are looking for someone who isn't in the database.

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    I thought I read somewhere South Carolina destroys DNA after a certain amount of time, so DN's would have no longer been in their system. I do wonder though why they have spent all weekend out in Colorado speaking with him...

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    Quote Originally Posted by tokyorose View Post
    I thought I read somewhere South Carolina destroys DNA after a certain amount of time, so DN's would have no longer been in their system. I do wonder though why they have spent all weekend out in Colorado speaking with him...
    That's one possibility. DNA and data also gets lost, destroyed, etc.

    They wouldn't be out there is they didn't think there was at least a possibility.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FaLovesPa View Post
    I am another long, long time lurker. Found Websleuths due to my obsession with Jonbenet Ramsey. Followed other cases here and none of them ever affected me like this one. A few pages back (I am not quite caught up) someone wondered if the families of Libby and Abby were reading here. I was in a Facebook group discussion about DN and a question was asked about his whereabouts in June 2012. It was Elizabeth Collins' father. It broke my heart to imagine five years of searching for answers like Elizabeth and Lyric's families have had to do. I live in Iowa not too far from Evansdale. Sincerely praying that all these families get the answers they need.
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    Oh, that's so very sad. Thank-you for coming out of lurk mode to share that.

    We all want to see the murderer (s) of these 4 precious girls removed from society.

    Sometimes asking questions is all we can do.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Falling Down View Post
    Lets say they have DNA.

    DN's DNA would be on file in South Carolina.
    I always thought that DNA databases like CODIS and sex offender DNA registries contained the "full" DNA profile of an offender but I'm starting to be not 100% sure if that's the case. I'm starting to think, based on recent readings, that what is actually retained for each offender is a 13 segment snapshot of the full profile. Remember that the vast amount of information in the human genome is actually the same between all individuals but these are loci where there is significant human variation and it can be used to include or exclude a person of interest. And then, if a person cannot be excluded by comparison to the sample, full testing can be done on the complete DNA profile to be matched to what was specifically found at the scene. So if what was found at the Delphi crime scene was partial DNA, touch DNA - it may not be enough (or the right segments present) to compare to any sample DN has on file with an agency. I've said from the beginning that if BG took steps to destroy DNA evidence at the scene - anything from wiping their bodies with a piece of clothing to throwing stuff with his DNA on it in the water - he may not have done enough to eventually be totally excluded through full testing BUT he may have done enough to make comparison/matching a "hit" to DNA databases difficult.
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    Oceanblueyes responded to a post I made in thread 68 or 69 which I'm indicates they do have DNA. Will look for it. Moo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    Oh, that's so very sad. Thank-you for coming out of lurk mode to share that.

    We all want to see the murderer (s) of these 4 precious girls removed from society.

    Sometimes asking questions is all we can do.
    Oh that is heartbreaking. I wish I didn't read that. (quote referenced in next post, 525)


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    Quote Originally Posted by FaLovesPa View Post
    I am another long, long time lurker. Found Websleuths due to my obsession with Jonbenet Ramsey. Followed other cases here and none of them ever affected me like this one. A few pages back (I am not quite caught up) someone wondered if the families of Libby and Abby were reading here. I was in a Facebook group discussion about DN and a question was asked about his whereabouts in June 2012. It was Elizabeth Collins' father. It broke my heart to imagine five years of searching for answers like Elizabeth and Lyric's families have had to do. I live in Iowa not too far from Evansdale. Sincerely praying that all these families get the answers they need.
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    http://www.theindychannel.com/news/l...delphi-murders

    One thing is certain - Nations was in Indiana for most of this year and he has an extensive criminal background. His location was fairly easy to track until he went off the radar at the end of July.*

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    ALSO |*Former boss of Daniel Nations recalls his temper

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    We’ve put together a rough timeline of some of the major events that show Daniel Nations’ whereabouts over the last couple of years and how they compare with the investigation to find Libby and Abby's murderer.*

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    2015

    July:*Daniel Nations was arrested after deputies say he hid in the stall of a women’s restroom at a Ricker’s gas station on U.S. 31 and was caught peeping and pleasuring*himself. Court documents show he made bail for those charges but skipped his court appearance. A warrant was issued for his arrest.

    December:*Daniel Nations was sentenced to several weeks in jail on a domestic violence charge in Morgan County. He served his sentence from December 15, 2015, through January 27, 2016.

    2016

    August:*Daniel Nations*was arrested for driving on a suspended license in Hendricks County.

    November:*Daniel*Nations was charged with possession of marijuana.

    December:*Daniel Nations’ landlord filed an eviction petition in Wayne Township small claims*court.

    2017

    January:*Daniel Nations registers as a homeless sex offender living in Morgan County, Indiana. He told them he was living in Marion County at the Royal Inn. Because he is homeless, he is required by law to check in every 7 days and report where he is living.

    January 31:*Daniel Nations checked in, in-person as part of his sex offender registry agreement.

    February 7:*Daniel Nations checked in, in-person as part of his sex offender registry agreement.

    February 13:*Liberty German and Abigail Williams were reported missing after they went for a hike near the Monon High Bridge and never showed up to be picked up.

    February 14:*The bodies of Libby & Abby were found less than a mile from where they were first reported missing.

    February 14:*Daniel Nations checked in, in-person as part of his sex offender registry agreement.

    *February 15:*Indiana state police released two grainy images of a man they say was taken from Liberty German’s cell phone during “criminal activity.”



    February 21:*Daniel Nations checked in, in-person as part of his sex offender registry agreement.

    February 22:*Indiana State Police released an audio clip they said was taken from Liberty German’s cell phone during “criminal activity” on the day the girls were murdered. The clip featured a man’s voice saying “down the hill.”

    February 24 – 28:*Daniel Nations was incarcerated in the Morgan County jail.

    February 28:*Daniel Nations checked in, in-person as part of his sex offender registry agreement.

    March 6:*Daniel Nations appeared in Morgan County court.

    March 7:*Daniel Nations checked in, in-person as part of his sex offender registry agreement.

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    March 14:*Daniel Nations checked in, in-person as part of his sex offender registry agreement.

    March 21:*Daniel Nations checked in, in-person as part of his sex offender registry agreement.

    March 29:*Daniel Nations appeared in Morgan County court.

    April 4:*Daniel Nations checked in, in-person as part of his sex offender registry agreement.

    April 10:*Daniel Nations registered as a sex offender living in Johnson County at the InTown Suites in Greenwood.*

    April 25:*Daniel Nations was pulled over by police in Greenwood*while driving with a suspended license and carrying marijuana. He was placed in the Johnson County jail.

    July 17:*Indiana State Police released a composite sketch of the suspected Delphi killer.



    July 18:*Investigation begins into Daniel Nations’ whereabouts after he failed to register his new address as part of his sex offender registry agreement and hadn’t reported his location for two months. He also missed a court appearance in Greenwood that day. After this moment, the Johnson County sheriff’s office seeks an arrest warrant for Nations for failure to register as a sex or violent offender.

    September 25:*Daniel Nations was arrested in Woodland Park, Colorado at People’s Bank in a red car with an expired Indiana license plate that matched the description of a person threatening hikers with a hatchet. Police found a hatchet and a .22 caliber rifle in the car. A vehicle which matches the Colorado description is similar to the one he was driving when he was pulled over in Greenwood.*

    September 27:*Johnson County Prosecutor’s office in Indiana filed a formal charge of Failure to register as a sex or violent offender against Daniel Nations.

    September 28:*Daniel Nations appeared in Teller County Court for a child custody hearing. The El Paso County Sheriff also filed felony menacing and reckless endangerment charges against him that evening.

    September 28:*Indiana State police were contacted by a sheriff’s department in Colorado about similarities in their case and the Delphi murders. Indiana State Police officially declared Nations a “person of interest” in the case.

    September 29:*Indiana State Police sent detectives to Colorado to interview Daniel Nations and “collect evidence” to try to determine if he has any connection with the Delphi murders.



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    He said part of their investigation will include comparing DN, DNA to the DNA found near the Monon High Bridge Trail, where Libby German and Abby Williams were found

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    Jmo, LE said RL has a connection to the case, I believe, which of course he does as the bodies were on his property, but did not say he was involved in any crime. Jmo
    Just my opinion, of course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by indycindy View Post
    I don't think "he" shot Abby & Libby..IMO they wer forced "down the hill" and led to the spot their bodies were found....
    Unfortunately, I agree with you. I just occasionally like to think it's possible that their deaths were quick and somewhat painless. Possible, but not probable. MOO
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