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    Quote Originally Posted by *Verdigris View Post
    (I'm still at the other thread... that's closed now, so posting this here )

    I know... it's getting worse. And even that was only a text! Don't they ever speak to each other? I'm still surprised she didn't want to say goodnight to her kids. Well.. of course it's seeming as though she was unable to say goodnight to her kids.
    Didn't husband find that odd? Wonder how many times he tried to contact her, after he received no response.
    I guess he just assumed she zonked-out early, after the festivities, but...
    Did he try to contact her? I haven't read that anywhere, except for the 5.30pm text/s.

    I don't think it's so unusual just to text, it's my preferred method when i'm away. I'm also a mother & at times I haven't called to say goodnight (ouch!) - usually its when I'm socialising, like she was... Just MOO

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    Quote Originally Posted by azure

    I haven't got a clue. Just found it interesting that many on the thread were very upset that Elisa was called a reported alcoholic on a LE flyer, yet had no problem speculating about many other things pulled from thin air.

    I think the husband has an alibi. I understand that he is statistically the most likely to have committed the crime, if one exists. But I can't get past the fact that he was ~2 hours away with the children.

    The neighbor makes me the most uncertain at this point. The story of the night seems to have changed several times, and I truly cannot imagine why the meeting over "personal issues" would have been deemed unimportant to tell LE.
    I hear you, it's hypocritical? I think sometimes it is treading a fine line when suggesting reasons for a victim's behaviour without sounding offensive, even though no one said it applied to Elisa, it was one of many reasons for mental health issues or alcoholism in women. If Elisa is found alive, she would be pretty offended being publicly labeled an alcoholic, imo.

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    Maybe a suicide letter was found at the house and they are not disclosing that.

    Would account for only bothering with 1 photo and the swifty searching I guess.

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    If reports are correct and she suffers from depression, could she have been on anti-depressants, and is she likely to be able to overdose on them? Could she have decided in the night/morning to overdose then wander off into the bush somewhere?
    Apologies for the thought....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morrisa View Post
    If reports are correct and she suffers from depression, could she have been on anti-depressants, and is she likely to be able to overdose on them? Could she have decided in the night/morning to overdose then wander off into the bush somewhere?
    Apologies for the thought....
    I reckon she would have been found by now unless she jumped....

    ETA: One would think that they would bring cadaver dogs in.

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    Hello - first time poster so please...be kind! I have come across this site many times before whilst following crimes both in Australia and abroad but this case compelled me to finally register.

    My initial reaction is that this case reminds me a lot of Daniel O'Keefe, a young Geelong man who seemingly disappeared without a trace some years ago. He was eventually found deceased, after many unconfirmed sightings, underneath his own home. He had taken his own life and left no indication of intending to do so. Elisa may have seemingly "had it all" from the outside looking in. Yes, she was socialising only hours before her last contact with husband and/ or neighbour/s. But people with depression are adept at putting on a mask and fooling everyone around them that they are fine, even when crumbling on the inside. Yes, she is a mother - but depression doesn't discriminate. Sometimes the burden on your soul outweighs any burden your dependants have on you. And yes, she obviously enjoyed engaging in social debate, however sometimes there simply isn't enough words to describe the pain a person suffering depression feels. I say these things as a mother, as a woman of a similar age to Elisa and with similar interests. But mostly I say this as someone who suffers debilitating depression. One minute you can be coping...and only hours later the world constricts and feels so desolate that the thought of checking out permanently is overwhelmingly inviting. I hope this makes sense - I really just wanted to offer an alternative perspective. The link to Lifeline at the end of some of today's news stories makes me think that this tragically is what the outcome here will be.

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    I don't think she could throw herself over a cliff, the whole area is attuned to tourists and preventing the sillier ones from doing just that... she would have to climb down and kneel over in the water and hold her own head down.. I dunno. That sounds like a lot of work.

    Suicide is hard believe in after 6 days of intensive searching... AND considering that she wandered off in the dark, because people are up early down there to catch the waves, nobody saw her at dawn.. of course, we must be in agreement that she is not at home. that she is, in the unforgettable words of the husband.. 'out there.... if you are out there...' then she had to leave on foot, and be in a walking in the dark radius. Bounded on one side by the sea.
    'it never gets weird enough , for me'.. Hunter S. Thompson.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scatterbrain View Post
    Hello - first time poster so please...be kind! I have come across this site many times before whilst following crimes both in Australia and abroad but this case compelled me to finally register.

    My initial reaction is that this case reminds me a lot of Daniel O'Keefe, a young Geelong man who seemingly disappeared without a trace some years ago. He was eventually found deceased, after many unconfirmed sightings, underneath his own home. He had taken his own life and left no indication of intending to do so. Elisa may have seemingly "had it all" from the outside looking in. Yes, she was socialising only hours before her last contact with husband and/ or neighbour/s. But people with depression are adept at putting on a mask and fooling everyone around them that they are fine, even when crumbling on the inside. Yes, she is a mother - but depression doesn't discriminate. Sometimes the burden on your soul outweighs any burden your dependants have on you. And yes, she obviously enjoyed engaging in social debate, however sometimes there simply isn't enough words to describe the pain a person suffering depression feels. I say these things as a mother, as a woman of a similar age to Elisa and with similar interests. But mostly I say this as someone who suffers debilitating depression. One minute you can be coping...and only hours later the world constricts and feels so desolate that the thought of checking out permanently is overwhelmingly inviting. I hope this makes sense - I really just wanted to offer an alternative perspective. The link to Lifeline at the end of some of today's news stories makes me think that this tragically is what the outcome here will be.
    Welcome Scatterbrain. Thank you for sharing.

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    If we knew what was said in the discussion with the neighbour at 10pm it would probably shed much light on this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by inkpink View Post
    I reckon she would have been found by now unless she jumped....

    ETA: One would think that they would bring cadaver dogs in.
    Agreed, one would think. I just don't know what to think!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Scatterbrain View Post
    Hello - first time poster so please...be kind! I have come across this site many times before whilst following crimes both in Australia and abroad but this case compelled me to finally register.

    My initial reaction is that this case reminds me a lot of Daniel O'Keefe, a young Geelong man who seemingly disappeared without a trace some years ago. He was eventually found deceased, after many unconfirmed sightings, underneath his own home. He had taken his own life and left no indication of intending to do so. Elisa may have seemingly "had it all" from the outside looking in. Yes, she was socialising only hours before her last contact with husband and/ or neighbour/s. But people with depression are adept at putting on a mask and fooling everyone around them that they are fine, even when crumbling on the inside. Yes, she is a mother - but depression doesn't discriminate. Sometimes the burden on your soul outweighs any burden your dependants have on you. And yes, she obviously enjoyed engaging in social debate, however sometimes there simply isn't enough words to describe the pain a person suffering depression feels. I say these things as a mother, as a woman of a similar age to Elisa and with similar interests. But mostly I say this as someone who suffers debilitating depression. One minute you can be coping...and only hours later the world constricts and feels so desolate that the thought of checking out permanently is overwhelmingly inviting. I hope this makes sense - I really just wanted to offer an alternative perspective. The link to Lifeline at the end of some of today's news stories makes me think that this tragically is what the outcome here will be.
    scatters..... thankyou for the poignant insight.. I had forgotten that strange event.... his poor mother... oddly, I was about to write that I was reminded of the English 'Canoe' man, he and the wife collected the insurance, he was found in Panama etc...

    Everything you wrote can be applied to this circumstance , without hesitation...
    'it never gets weird enough , for me'.. Hunter S. Thompson.

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    Hi, new member here and I wanted to join because it is such an interesting discussion. I have read all of the previous thread.

    I did wonder if Elisa deliberately chose to be there alone because she was intended to harm herself. It does seem odd that someone who struggles with depression and seems to have an ongoing alcohol issue would isolate themselves like that, especially on such a big kind of family day as GF.
    Or maybe it's not strange that she would do it but that her desire to do it wouldn't raise red flags for her husband etc. You would think he would want her to always be around other people or close to medical help if needed.

    Elisa was drinking that day I think, based on the media reports(or dd I get that wrong?). If so, then obviously her alcoholism was pretty active and not in recovery, so she likely wasn't thinking clearly. Speculating that if she drank a little at the game, it didn't end there.

    But the husband's response of saying she was missing at 9am just doesn't sit right with me - she could have been at the shops, at a neighbours, out running. He didn't wait around for her or check with the neighbours? And if it was so troubling that she was not home at that exact moment, I wonder why it was considered a good idea for her to even stay out there alone for the night.

    I guess I would have thought that if there were such concerns about her that he would have called her more the previous night or something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Detective Willy View Post
    If we knew what was said in the discussion with the neighbour at 10pm it would probably shed much light on this.
    I did wonder if the female neighbour was concerned about her drinking. Maybe the neighbour knew she was an alcoholic and saw her drinking but didn't want to discuss it in front of the husband because he didn't know that Elisa was an alcoholic.
    So neighbour lady comes back for a heart to heart with Elisa about it privately because she's concerned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mdcmdc View Post
    Hi, new member here and I wanted to join because it is such an interesting discussion. I have read all of the previous thread.

    I did wonder if Elisa deliberately chose to be there alone because she was intended to harm herself. It does seem odd that someone who struggles with depression and seems to have an ongoing alcohol issue would isolate themselves like that, especially on such a big kind of family day as GF.
    Or maybe it's not strange that she would do it but that her desire to do it wouldn't raise red flags for her husband etc. You would think he would want her to always be around other people or close to medical help if needed.

    Elisa was drinking that day I think, based on the media reports(or dd I get that wrong?). If so, then obviously her alcoholism was pretty active and not in recovery, so she likely wasn't thinking clearly. Speculating that if she drank a little at the game, it didn't end there.

    But the husband's response of saying she was missing at 9am just doesn't sit right with me - she could have been at the shops, at a neighbours, out running. He didn't wait around for her or check with the neighbours? And if it was so troubling that she was not home at that exact moment, I wonder why it was considered a good idea for her to even stay out there alone for the night.

    I guess I would have thought that if there were such concerns about her that he would have called her more the previous night or something.
    and also... ... you've pressed my uneasiness button all over again!!.. that 9am call in was too early.. far too early, unless he really knew she was .. you know... 'out there'...... also.. the mobile phone. turned off at around 10..30pm. pitch dark. But.. she isn't home, she hasn't taken a car, so she is on foot somewhere.... with her phone turned off. Usually, that is the last thread to cut... gripped in the hand to the last, so I know it's 'out there' for sure...
    'it never gets weird enough , for me'.. Hunter S. Thompson.

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    This could go in the same direction as Tanja Ebert? Missing for 2 months now after husband shoots himself and poor Tanja still not found. Maybe Elisa will never be found?

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