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    Quote Originally Posted by Lilibet View Post
    OT: Iím just stopping by to alert everyone that there is a major catastrophe happening in the California wine country fires. At least 23 have died, thousands have lost their homes and businesses, including wineries, and possibly 500 are missing. This is affecting WSers. Support on the thread is needed. Thank you.

    http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sho...ings-Destroyed
    I saw it on the news. Scary as hell. It looks like a horror flick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kkdj View Post
    If they were separated, and DN was living under a bridge (as he says) then where and when did KN pick him up in her car to go to his RSO check in? This seems like something very important to know! And how did they contact each other if they weren't living together and he was living under a bridge? And where did they watch this "disgusting" news together about the murders if they were separated? A local bar? This doesn't make sense to me unless they weren't really separated.
    Excellent points. And how did they communicate if they were not living together? Does he have a phone?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer17 View Post
    Really? Where I live we are not scared of law enforcement.
    That literally make me tear up.
    I would give just about anything to still feel that way.
    You are very lucky.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jax49 View Post
    There is audio and a bit of video in this link:

    http://fox59.com/2017/10/11/wife-of-...news-coverage/
    (Thank you)

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    Quote Originally Posted by sumzero View Post
    Roxie Bortner has already confirmed most of KNís statements: https://www.wthr.com/article/state-p...in-delphi-case

    This article (and others) makes it clear that weekly check-ins were required precisely because DN was homeless at the time. Hard to believe DN would lie about being homeless. It made his life more difficult, not less.

    The picture is becoming clearer. Around the time of the murders, DN had nowhere to go and no means to get anywhere if he did want to go. He relied on the Bortners and KN (probably out of the goodness of her heart) for food, company, and, on occasion, a place to sleep. Nothing connects DN to Delphi. This is all a dead end.
    Has someone given him an alibi for the 13th? I must have missed that. We now know how he got to his check in appointment which makes him more of a POI not less IMO. I think he hitched to Lafayette (possibly RL) and called her to come and pick him up somewhere between Lafayette and Martinsville. She will now have to tell police where and when she picked him up - that is clear as a bell. She cannot keep giving snippets to press (probably for cash) in a murder investigation. It is disgusting iMO, in her own words, there are two families waiting to find out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by deedee21 View Post
    DN is sitting in the car all by himself. It goes to show that he does borrow the car.
    Yes and he is driving past the searchers who are looking for TW. TW's friend has seen him go by a couple of times so takes this picture. This proves without doubt that he borrows and drives miles by himself with a gun in the boot of KN's car. And again he is caught on camera and it leads to his arrest.

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    A thought! What if KN and DN stated that they were separated and a subsequent divorce petition was filed for the purpose of obtaining welfare?
    I'm just having trouble believing they were truly separated but stated such for other reasons, perhaps monetary.
    This thinking makes better sense to me.
    Then, perhaps while she was having her ultrasound he didn't go because it wouldn't fit into their "separated" story for medical state aid and subsequentt welfare money for another child. So, DN was dropped off somewhere while KN was otherwise occupied.
    Just forming a possible scenario.
    But this "separated" story doesn't seem true to me for a variety of reasons.
    Last edited by kkdj; 10-13-2017 at 07:02 AM.
    IMO

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shiressleuth View Post
    Has someone given him an alibi for the 13th? I must have missed that. We now know how he got to his check in appointment which makes him more of a POI not less IMO. I think he hitched to Lafayette (possibly RL) and called her to come and pick him up somewhere between Lafayette and Martinsville. She will now have to tell police where and when she picked him up - that is clear as a bell. She cannot keep giving snippets to press (probably for cash) in a murder investigation. It is disgusting iMO, in her own words, there are two families waiting to find out.
    Someone had asked earlier what others thought LE might be thinking about KN FB posts and her latest interview.She has been living and travelling with him.If she was going to be any kind of witness against Daniel,they would have told her specifically not to make public statements or even talk about it period.I think they don't stop her because they actually want to hear what she slips up and says.For all we know,the Alexis McAdams interview was edited by the ISP which might explain it's "weirdness".
    IMO unless I state a fact

    5-year-old Kionnie Welch
    7-year-old Kerriele McDonald
    9-year-old Keyara Phillips
    11-year-old Keyana Davis
    13-year-old Abigail Williams
    14-year-old Liberty German
    All murdered in Carroll County Indiana



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    Quote Originally Posted by kkdj View Post
    A thought! What if KN and DN stated that they were separated and a subsequent divorce petition was filed for the purpose of obtaining welfare?
    I'm just having trouble believing they were truly separated but stated such for other reasons, perhaps monetary.
    This thinking makes better sense to me.
    Then, perhaps while she was having her ultrasound he didn't go because it wouldn't fit into their "separated" story for medical state aid and subsequentt welfare money for another child. So, DN was dropped off somewhere while KN was otherwise occupied.
    Just forming a possible scenario.
    But this "separated" story doesn't seem true to me for a variety of reasons.
    Not sure about other places,but that happens around here all the time.I've seen at least two divorces just based on that and alot of couples just simply don't get married because of it.It's not just the monthly benefits,it's also the taxes.I've seen single parents bring in 12-13 thousand dollars on taxes on top of monthly benefits.And usually the father isn't reported as living in the household,or monthly's would go down significantly.
    IMO unless I state a fact

    5-year-old Kionnie Welch
    7-year-old Kerriele McDonald
    9-year-old Keyara Phillips
    11-year-old Keyana Davis
    13-year-old Abigail Williams
    14-year-old Liberty German
    All murdered in Carroll County Indiana



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    Quote Originally Posted by ImnoSherlock View Post
    Not sure about other places,but that happens around here all the time.I've seen at least two divorces just based on that and alot of couples just simply don't get married because of it.It's not just the monthly benefits,it's also the taxes.I've seen single parents bring in 12-13 thousand dollars on taxes on top of monthly benefits.And usually the father isn't reported as living in the household,or monthly's would go down significantly.
    This is where my mind is going......working the system. That's why KN story doesn't jive. Because there is something to hide. And imo, at least this "separation" story. I think my next question is where and date and time was KN's Dr. appt. on the 13th? Then I have a slew of more questions surrounding those answers.
    IMO


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    Quote Originally Posted by ImnoSherlock View Post
    Someone had asked earlier what others thought LE might be thinking about KN FB posts and her latest interview.She has been living and travelling with him.If she was going to be any kind of witness against Daniel,they would have told her specifically not to make public statements or even talk about it period.I think they don't stop her because they actually want to hear what she slips up and says.For all we know,the Alexis McAdams interview was edited by the ISP which might explain it's "weirdness".
    Oh, she's not going to testify against DN, her husband. My hinky meter is going off big time! tbc
    IMO

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    I'm not going to say half all what i want to, i watched the brief moment of video and she is ride or die. this woman is willing to live by hook or by crook with this man. LE knows this. and many times one lie will unravel and all the supporting lies will follow suit and pretty soon you are standing over dead bodies at a murder scene leaving your DNA. ( I am not accusing her of anything)

    I think LE has her number. an idiot would know to destroy those clothes and deny those clothes. so I'm not impressed by this revelation,

    that's my impression.

    MOO
    Last edited by minazoe; 10-13-2017 at 09:48 AM.
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    as for wondering what will compel someone to murder abruptly and violently...there are people that chances are if they threaten you with something like a shiv or a hatchet they might be willing to kill you with it. Look at this guy..

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/texas-exe...000056605.html
    True friends stab you in the front.
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    Quote Originally Posted by minazoe View Post
    I'm not going to say half all what i want to, i watched the brief moment of video and she is ride or die. this woman is willing to live by hook or by crook with this man. LE knows this. and many times one lie will unravel and all the supporting lies will follow suit and pretty soon you are standing over dead bodies at a murder scene leaving your DNA. ( I am not accusing her of anything)

    I think LE has her number. an idiot would know to destroy those clothes and deny those clothes. so I'm not impressed by this revelation,

    that's my impression.

    MOO
    Iím surprised none of these reporters asked any of these people (ex boss, the Bortnerís, etc) if they ever saw DN wearing that jacket. I mean, he worked on farms, correct?


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    he could have found that stuff in a shed fir all we know...maybe he was cold.
    True friends stab you in the front.
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