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    NV - 59 Dead, over 500 injured in Mandalay Bay shooting in Las Vegas, 1 Oct 2017 #5

    Las Vegas shooting death toll rises to 59, no apparent connection to international terror

    The shooter, perched on the 32nd floor of the Mandalay Bay hotel, sent more than 22,000 country music fans scrambling for their lives.
    One witness described the shooting as "non-stop gunfire."


    Las Vegas Shooting Live Updates: Multiple Weapons Found in Gunman’s Hotel Room

    The police found the gunman, whom they identified as Stephen Paddock, 64, dead in his room at the hotel. Investigators were still combing through Mr. Paddock’s background and searching his home on Monday.

    How the Shooting in Las Vegas Unfolded

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    Good Evening Everyone,

    We will not allow this discussion to go off the rails.

    Do not discuss anything but the tragedy in Las Vegas and all that is connected to the shooting.

    If people start insulting each other I will give you a long time out or a lifetime ban.

    This is very easy to do so understand what I am about to tell you: DO NOT GET PERSONAL!!!!!!

    What does getting personal have to do with the shooting in Vegas?

    Not one single person cares what you think of another poster's opinion and therefore you are making this thread about YOU!!

    I am asking nicely.

    Keep on topic and don't get personal.

    We have enough anger in the world. Let's leave it at the door and have a civil discussion, shall we?

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    Hi Everyone

    Please remember absolutely no media sources unless they are mainstream, law enforcement or the few Websleuths approved blogs.

    If your source is considered a right-wing conspiracy page or a left-wing conspiracy page you can rest assured it is not approved on Websleuths.

    What happens if we allow these pages is the discussion goes off the rails and ends up as far out there as the rings around Saturn. It makes Websleuths look ridicules.

    Stick to the facts as we know them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tricia View Post
    Hi Everyone

    Please remember absolutely no media sources unless they are mainstream, law enforcement or the few Websleuths approved blogs.

    If your source is considered a right-wing conspiracy page or a left-wing conspiracy page you can rest assured it is not approved on Websleuths.

    What happens if we allow these pages is the discussion goes off the rails and ends up as far out there as the rings around Saturn. It makes Websleuths look ridicules.

    Stick to the facts as we know them.

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    The girlfriend of the Las Vegas shooter reportedly was added to a government watch list Wednesday as police continue trying to zero in on a motive for the deadly attack.

    Marilou Danley has been designated as a TSA “selectee,” meaning authorities will be notified if she attempts to board flights and she will have to undergo additional screening, federal law enforcement officials told ABC News.
    Well well!!!

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/10/11...port-says.html

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    The companion of the Las Vegas shooter, Stephen Paddock, has been put on a U.S. government watch list as the FBI continues to press her for information about the worst mass shooting in modern American history, federal law enforcement officials told ABC News.



    Marilou Danley has been designated a Transportation Security Administrationselectee, meaning authorities will be notified if she attempts to board any commercial flight.
    http://abcnews.go.com/US/officials-l...ry?id=50405805

    I said before, I thought she was a tad sketchy. Would not be shocked if others connected to the shooter were also put on the watch list. Just sayin!

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    Quote Originally Posted by human View Post
    My husband and I travel with six bags, They are loaded onto a big luggage carrier thing and brought by elevator to our room. They are the max of 50 pounds each . I have yet to see anyone be interested in our luggage or that of people who have even more. I guess they can afford to pay for more bags.

    The hotels we stay in are four star only because we get them on Priceline not because we can afford a four star.
    The bag thing...in my opinion it's not unusual to see people travelling with a whole lot of luggage, as others have mentioned Las Vegas is often only one keg of a journey. But even If a bellhop deemed someone had "too many bags" then what? Do hotels have the right to demand to see the contents of customer's private baggage? I've never heard of that, unrelated to routine security checks at public gatherings. (Not saying that things might change...)

    Hypothetically to anyone - even IF a hotel employee noticed SP had an usually large amount of bagage, how might this incident have been prevented given he hadn't broken any laws, had no criminal record, combined with privacy legislation etc?
    Last edited by MistyWaters; 10-11-2017 at 05:50 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ambitioned View Post
    http://abcnews.go.com/US/officials-l...ry?id=50405805

    I said before, I thought she was a tad sketchy. Would not be shocked if others connected to the shooter were also put on the watch list. Just sayin!
    'continues to press her' makes it seem as though info stream is not exactly gushing here..
    makes one wonder whether she controlled him or vice versa..
    She was a long time at the gambling game.. she must have been pretty good to be working in the high stakes areas..
    That would take quite a lot of skills at every level..

    I really do wonder at his 'other' contacts, those which have not been publicised.. he clearly knew his way around a puter, yet apparently abhorred social media, at least in his own name..
    ..or so it appears.. ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by MistyWaters View Post
    The bag thing...in my opinion it's not unusual to see people travelling with a whole lot of luggage, as others have mentioned Las Vegas is often only one keg of a journey. But even If a bellhop deemed someone had "too many bags" then what? Do hotels have the right to demand to see the contents of customer's private baggage? I've never heard of that, unrelated to routine security checks at public gatherings. (Not saying that things might change...)

    Hypothetically to anyone - even IF a hotel employee noticed SP had an usually large amount of bagage, how might this incident have been prevented given he hadn't broken any laws, had no criminal record, combined with privacy legislation etc?
    Interesting to think about. Sad and scary, remember how complacent we were at airports before September 11?

    I'll choose honest over perfect, every single time...

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    Quote Originally Posted by kittythehare View Post
    makes one wonder whether she controlled him or vice versa.
    RSBM - I don't think he controlled her. As others have repeatedly said on here, Filipino women are not submissive.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Iona View Post
    Interesting to think about. Sad and scary, remember how complacent we were at airports before September 11?

    I'll choose honest over perfect, every single time...
    I do indeed. My mom used to be able to bring her stitching on board. Now? No needles to stitch and no scissors to cut thread. Books is it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MistyWaters View Post
    The bag thing...in my opinion it's not unusual to see people travelling with a whole lot of luggage, as others have mentioned Las Vegas is often only one keg of a journey. But even If a bellhop deemed someone had "too many bags" then what? Do hotels have the right to demand to see the contents of customer's private baggage? I've never heard of that, unrelated to routine security checks at public gatherings. (Not saying that things might change...)

    Hypothetically to anyone - even IF a hotel employee noticed SP had an usually large amount of bagage, how might this incident have been prevented given he hadn't broken any laws, had no criminal record, combined with privacy legislation etc?
    It could not have been prevented.
    Most mass shootings could not have been prevented.
    Most acts of terrorism could not have been prevented.
    Thats hard, but its true.
    The hotel can only be held responsible if it is proven, as seems likely, that a delay occurred in contacting police or if evacuation procedures and emergency procedures were either not adequately in place or followed.
    He was a regular guest.
    It may not have been a large number of bags.. most of the equipment he used was compressible, heavy.. but not necessarily heavier than golf clubs..
    A post much earlier today asked how much force it would have taken to smash the glass in his room.. I meant to bring the post up and ask again. Does anybody know?
    ..or so it appears.. ...

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    Brother Eric & Plan to Estab. Trust to Benefit Victims:Commendable But

    {Sorry re spacing & word-breaks, etc. Tech difficulties, so my cut & paste from word doc. does not format correctly in post.}

    Brother Eric’s plans for “Stephen’s assets” to benefit victims is admirable. It’s impossible to imagine short & long term effects– medical & psychological – on so many victims, families, and others. Eric can use his own assets to establish a trust to benefit victims and families, right now, this week, if he wishes. However Eric may or may not be in a position to do so w Stephen’s assets, depending in part on how Stephen’s assets were held/registered/titled. Welcoming our WS legal professionals to correct any inaccuracies (not an attorney, don’t play one on TV).

    It’s likely IMO Stephen’s assets are not all registered/titled in only one way. For (hypothetical) examples, Mesquite home where Stephen & MLD lived may be titled in his name only while deed for Reno home may be in joint tenancy w rights of survivorship w his mother. His main checking a/c may (or may not) have his name & MLD name. His real estate investment properties may be in name of LLC or a partnership; his stockbrokerage account may be held in trust name. Etc.


    Post death asset transfers ? Probate or non-probate?

    --In joint ownership with other. If joint tenant/account holder (who does not happen to be Eric)with rights of survivorship, then the surviving owner/account holder is entitled to receive the deceased’s share of the a/c or asset (as well as his/her own original share). Except for real estate, this is often is handled thru the bank or financial institution, w no probate court involvement. Unless Eric’s name is on a/c as JTWRoS, there’s nothing for Eric to give, now or later.

    ---In his name only, but w “pay-on-death” or “transfer-on-death” designation? If so, bank/credit union/ stock brokerage/other financial institution may, upon receiving proper documentation, pay or transfer to payee(s) or transferee(s), w no probate court procedure. (--ordinarily*) Is Eric so-named? IDK.

    ---In his name only(no p-o-d or t-o-d designation) and Stephen either -
    --------left NO WILL? If so, estate would go thru probate court in Stephen’s state of residence and would be divided and transferred per INTESTACY statutes of that state, presumably Nevada. Have not checked NV laws yet, to see who would benefit if Stephen left no will. (--ordinarily*) Eric? IDK.
    -------had WILL, then the named/appointed executor or personal rep, would administer estate, per terms of will thru a probate court proceeding to ensure that estate goes to ppl or entities Stephen named. Even as executor or personal rep, Eric’s position would not permit him to give to shooting victims. If Eric is named as a beneficiary, he would have no control of those assets, until after$ or prop is distributed to him. Then if he can go ahead & estab. trust as he announced. (--ordinarily*)

    --In name of revocable self-administered living trust for his own benefit that Stephen established, hypo ex: Stephen Paddock trustee for Stephen Paddock Trust, agreement dated Jan 10, 2010. Unless Eric was named as a successor trustee, Eric has no say or role re those assets .If Eric was named as a successor trustee, then per trust-agreement terms in document,he is obligated to administer trust and transfer those trust-titled assets to the named individuals or entities (Hypothetical ex’s: Niece Nanette Norton, Frederick Q. Friend, United Way of America, XYZ Denomination Church of Mesquite, et al), not to Eric’s choice of recipients. Property is not administered thru probate court. (
    --ordinarily*)


    ---In name of LLC/limited liability corporation, a common method of ownership for real estate investors. No role for Eric in deciding what to do with any such assets, as he is not entitled to them, unless the governing terms of LLC agreement or Stephen’s will (after probate proceedings) provides that they go to him. Disposition of Stephen’s ownership in LLC (likely inv. real estate, imo) could be made thru probate court (or ? Anyone know? IDK). (
    --ordinarily*)

    Although Eric’s intention to use his brother’s assets to benefit shooting victims is laudable, it’s not clear how he thinks he’ll get timely access to any of the assets to do this. Lacking savvy/life exp. on the issue? Does he think because he said he’ll use Stephen’s assets for a worthy cause that fin’cl. institutions& probate courts will totally disregard ppl entitled to that $ by law and hand over Stephen’s assets/funds to him? I wonder if he sought legal advice beforehand.


    Regardless unbelievably horrific action by shooter.

    __________________________________________________ ______________________________
    * This (--ordinarily*) caveat is added inlight of a lawsuit filed by some victims’ families to freeze Stephen’s assets,in hopes that those assets will eventually be awarded to pay damages inwrongful death suits. IDK what willhappen re this. Likely imo this or other lawsuits would significantly delaydistribution of Stephen’s estate – both probate estate & non-probate estate.
    Last edited by al66pine; 10-11-2017 at 06:27 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MistyWaters View Post
    The bag thing...in my opinion it's not unusual to see people travelling with a whole lot of luggage, as others have mentioned Las Vegas is often only one keg of a journey. But even If a bellhop deemed someone had "too many bags" then what? Do hotels have the right to demand to see the contents of customer's private baggage? I've never heard of that, unrelated to routine security checks at public gatherings. (Not saying that things might change...)

    Hypothetically to anyone - even IF a hotel employee noticed SP had an usually large amount of bagage, how might this incident have been prevented given he hadn't broken any laws, had no criminal record, combined with privacy legislation etc?
    Nothing could have been done. I'm not saying it could have. If someone saw a 64 yr old struggling with a bunch of bags then it may have triggered a memory. Something. I do think he didn't bring it up in one load and/or had help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kittythehare View Post
    It could not have been prevented.
    Most mass shootings could not have been prevented.
    Most acts of terrorism could not have been prevented.
    Thats hard, but its true.
    The hotel can only be held responsible if it is proven, as seems likely, that a delay occurred in contacting police or if evacuation procedures and emergency procedures were either not adequately in place or followed.
    He was a regular guest.
    It may not have been a large number of bags.. most of the equipment he used was compressible, heavy.. but not necessarily heavier than golf clubs..
    A post much earlier today asked how much force it would have taken to smash the glass in his room.. I meant to bring the post up and ask again. Does anybody know?
    I work for a glazing contractor... from my experience its hard to tell what force would be needed without knowing the makeup of the unit. Idk what the building codes stated when MB was built 20 years ago so I cant tell you if its annealed, tempered, lami, or a combination of two in the makeup of the units. The thicknesses would also have an effect on the difficulty in breaking thru.

    ETA - I do accounting and am not a glazier, but if someone has a close up pic of the broken window(s) maybe I can give more insight. Ive only seen pics from a distance.
    Last edited by bears10; 10-11-2017 at 06:16 PM.

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