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    Blunt Force Trauma

    I found this definition of blunt force trauma:
    So what is blunt force trauma? Well, it is trauma caused by a blunt object (a bat, the floor, a dashboard, etc..). Sharp force trauma, for example, is trauma caused by a sharp object (i.e. a knife, etc...). There are many typical signs of blunt force trauma: a lacerated aorta or other major vessel (thus massive internal bleeding), lacerated organ, hematoma, contusions, crushed or severed spinal cord. These are some of the major signs and only one has to be present in order to cause death. So in a way blunt force trauma is an umbrella term. It is sufficient enough to put on a death certificate. If a family member or lawyer needed more information then they could consult the autopsy report.
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    And this one:

    Simply, a blunt force trauma is an injury caused by a blunt object, ie not sharp; such as a bat, pipe, book, ect.
    This can kill you because it can cause subdermal hematomas which is basically bleeding under the skin or skull.
    Blunt force traumas are also dangerous because they transfer the force of the blow throughout the entire head, thus making point fractures and problems around the head.
    http://answers.yahoo.com/question/?qid=1005122302278



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    BIG umbrella!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by beesy
    I found this definition of blunt force trauma:
    So what is blunt force trauma? Well, it is trauma caused by a blunt object (a bat, the floor, a dashboard, etc..). Sharp force trauma, for example, is trauma caused by a sharp object (i.e. a knife, etc...). There are many typical signs of blunt force trauma: a lacerated aorta or other major vessel (thus massive internal bleeding), lacerated organ, hematoma, contusions, crushed or severed spinal cord. These are some of the major signs and only one has to be present in order to cause death. So in a way blunt force trauma is an umbrella term. It is sufficient enough to put on a death certificate. If a family member or lawyer needed more information then they could consult the autopsy report.
    http://www.autopsyreport.netfirms.co...t_archive.html









    And this one:

    Simply, a blunt force trauma is an injury caused by a blunt object, ie not sharp; such as a bat, pipe, book, ect.
    This can kill you because it can cause subdermal hematomas which is basically bleeding under the skin or skull.
    Blunt force traumas are also dangerous because they transfer the force of the blow throughout the entire head, thus making point fractures and problems around the head.
    http://answers.yahoo.com/question/?qid=1005122302278



    Yes, but we have doctors and surgeons addressing the issue of Darlie's "blunt force trauma" in the testimony. Like it says above, the term itself is an umbrella for a whole variety of things, but if someone were hit with a bat, for example, you should be able to see where the various blows landed. Darlie's bruises are so consistent without such markings that I believe one of the doctors said "hard or large flat surface." I mean, from elbow to just below the under arm without shading to indicate the size of the object hitting her is pretty strange. I can see why they would think it was one sizable flat surface. Doesn't mean they were correct, of course, as they were using photos to base their opinions on, but they were in a better position to judge it than we are.

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    Someone asked me for a definition of blunt force trauma. So I posted it, not just in reference to Darlie's injuries.
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    Quote Originally Posted by beesy
    Someone asked me for a definition of blunt force trauma. So I posted it, not just in reference to Darlie's injuries. http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/3/3_3_3v.gif
    Sorry,I must have missed that post.

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    Making her arm look like this must have hurt like hell! I am a . I can barely give myself the shots I have to have for my RA! . I let my husband try to give me a shot ONE time................. NEVER again!

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    Quote Originally Posted by deandaniellws
    Making her arm look like this must have hurt like hell! I am a . I can barely give myself the shots I have to have for my RA! . I let my husband try to give me a shot ONE time................. NEVER again!
    That's what I've said before. Yet, she doesn't really act like they hurt. Shouldn't she look like she's in pain in the SSP tape? They don't seem to hinder any of her Silly String spraying. No tattoos for you then, huh?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Goody
    Sorry,I must have missed that post.
    Jeana posted on another thread that the bruises could be compression bruises for Darin sitting on her? Do you think that's right? And how do you get hit with a large flat surface under you armpits? Do you think she slammed her arms in the door, starting at the top and working down? If you put your arm in the door, you can see how that could cause the bruising, even the ones on her hand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by beesy
    That's what I've said before. Yet, she doesn't really act like they hurt. Shouldn't she look like she's in pain in the SSP tape? They don't seem to hinder any of her Silly String spraying. No tattoos for you then, huh? http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/3/3_2_123v.gif
    She doesn't have any bruises in the silly string tape. The bruises appear to have come and gone rather quickly. However, I think there are about 12 days or so between the photo session at the police station on the 10th and the silly string party.

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    Bruise Confusion

    Quote Originally Posted by beesy
    Jeana posted on another thread that the bruises could be compression bruises for Darin sitting on her? Do you think that's right? And how do you get hit with a large flat surface under you armpits? Do you think she slammed her arms in the door, starting at the top and working down? If you put your arm in the door, you can see how that could cause the bruising, even the ones on her hand.
    The compression bruises she is talking about are on her wrists. The bruises we have been discussing here are from elbow to armpit. (At least that is where my head's been.) < no smart cracks either! > The injury was probably smaller than the bruising we see, so she wouldn't have to go up and down her arm slamming a door on it to produce what she ended up with.

    I don't know what she did and have no fixed theory about it. At this point pretty much just rely on the doctors who testified about it, but I am still open if anyone comes up with a better explanation.

    One theory I have had in the past is that Darin interrupted her in the course of the killings, probably before Damon was attacked, and struggled with her in the kitchen, pinning her arm down on the counter so she couldn't move and maybe slamming the wrist down to get her to release her grip on the knife. The glass might have been knocked out of the wine rack then or off the counter depending on where it actually was when broken. But that would have made the bruises appear while in the hospital and there just isn't any evidence to support that.

    Of course, I suppose a similar scenario could have happened after she got out of the hospital. He might have confronted her with his own suspicions and she might have gone psycho on him, threatening to kill herself with something.

    Could his knees make the bruises on her upper arms as well as the wrists? I don't know.

    There are those who believe the bruises on her wrists are fading in the police station photos. I can't really tell, esp now that they have enlarged the online photos into distortion and I can't find my MTJD.

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    how about a good hit in the area with a 2x4? It all looks pretty uniform to me like something hit her or like Jeana said, a compression injury.


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    The 2x4 Theory

    Quote Originally Posted by txsvicki
    how about a good hit in the area with a 2x4? It all looks pretty uniform to me like something hit her or like Jeana said, a compression injury.
    A 2x4 has edges and should leave a recognizable marking, so think the surface would have to be larger so edges would not show.

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    Quote Originally Posted by txsvicki
    how about a good hit in the area with a 2x4? It all looks pretty uniform to me like something hit her or like Jeana said, a compression injury.

    Wouldn't she have a broken bone or two if she was hit by a 2X4?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cami
    Wouldn't she have a broken bone or two if she was hit by a 2X4?
    Good point, Cami. How would they hit her upper arms without her taking some of the blow in the face or head?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goody
    Good point, Cami. How would they hit her upper arms without her taking some of the blow in the face or head?
    Well, I'd sure like to give it a try!

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    Quote Originally Posted by deandaniellws
    Well, I'd sure like to give it a try!
    I watched a bit of Small Sacrifices this weekend and was amazed at the similarities in the two cases. It has been years since I saw that movie. Diane Downs had a towel to her injured arm, Darlie to her injured neck. Music played a major role in both crimes...Hungry Like a Wolf played on the car stereo as the children were shot, the Routiers played Gangsta Paradise at the boys' funeral. Both Diane and Darlie liked to talk and it came back to bite them on the stand. They both thought they could charm their way of it. They both flirted with the detective on their case. They both had childlike mannerisms at times. (Diane used to say she was just a little girl.) They both had questionable claims of molestation against a father figure. (Diane recanted her claims after her conviction.)

    One big difference though was taht Diane was diagnosed as anti-social and Darlie was not. Diane was deemed to be a continued threat to society and Darlie was not.

    The similarities are unnerving though.

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