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    MS - Jessica Chambers, Panola County, Dec 2014 #3

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    So the judge has given the "allen charge" and we have a divided jury. He has sent them back. This is very bad news.

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    Quote Originally Posted by turaj View Post
    So the judge has given the "allen charge" and we have a divided jury. He has sent them back. This is very bad news.
    Better than an acquittal. He can be retried. And, he's in prison right now so he's not going anyway before his next trial for torturing yet another woman to death.

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    Quote Originally Posted by heidisams View Post
    I just feel like the story and a lot of the comments are unfair to the judge... Because cotton means one thing to some doesn't mean that is what the judge meant by it...

    All jmo.
    Most interesting to me was the photo was orig posted in the chat room on LawNewz. So someone def watching online chats there

    "after posting the cotton stalk picture in our website’s chatroom" https://lawnewz.com/live-trials/live...hite-reporter/

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    i am concerned about the jury situation and frame of mind at this point...I have never watched a trial were they went for that many hours each day without one day off They have to be so ready to go home and do something besides look at each other.

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    Quote Originally Posted by turaj View Post
    So the judge has given the "allen charge" and we have a divided jury. He has sent them back. This is very bad news.
    Such an instruction became known as an Allen charge and is given when, after deliberation, a jury reports that it is deadlocked and unable to decide on a verdict. Because it is used to dislodge jurors from entrenched positions, the Allen charge is sometimes referred to as the "dynamite charge" or the "hammer charge."
    Allen v. United States (1896) - Wikipedia
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allen_..._States_(1896)

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    Be sure to read post #2.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TTF14 View Post
    Better than an acquittal. He can be retried. And, he's in prison right now so he's not going anyway before his next trial for torturing yet another woman to death.
    if state would try again with this same case and witnesses same result.


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    Bridget Chapman‏Verified account @bchapman_WREG3 4m4 minutes ago
    Jurors have been deliberating the verdict for almost 8.5 hours at this point. #JessicaChambers

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    From Mimiís link, this is the actual Allen Charge

    Members of the Jury:

    I'm going to ask that you continue your deliberations in an effort to reach agreement upon a verdict and dispose of this case; and I have a few additional comments I would like for you to consider as you do so.

    This is an important case. The trial has been expensive in time, effort, money and emotional strain to both the defense and the prosecution. If you should fail to agree upon a verdict, the case will be left open and may have to be tried again. Obviously, another trial would only serve to increase the cost to both sides, and there is no reason to believe that the case can be tried again by either side any better or more exhaustively than it has been tried before you.

    Any future jury must be selected in the same manner and from the same source as you were chosen, and there is no reason to believe that the case could ever be submitted to twelve men and women more conscientious, more impartial, or more competent to decide it, or that more or clearer evidence could be produced.

    If a substantial majority of your number are in favor of a conviction, those of you who disagree should reconsider whether your doubt is a reasonable one since it appears to make no effective impression upon the minds of the others. On the other hand, if a majority or even a lesser number of you are in favor of an acquittal, the rest of you should ask yourselves again, and most thoughtfully, whether you should accept the weight and sufficiency of evidence which fails to convince your fellow jurors beyond a reasonable doubt.

    Remember at all times that no juror is expected to give up an honest belief he or she may have as to the weight or effect of the evidence; but, after full deliberation and consideration of the evidence in the case, it is your duty to agree upon a verdict if you can do so.

    You must also remember that if the evidence in the case fails to establish guilt beyond a reasonable doubt the Defendant should have your unanimous verdict of Not Guilty.

    You may be as leisurely in your deliberations as the occasion may require and should take all the time which you may feel is necessary.

    I will ask now that you retire once again and continue your deliberations with these additional comments in mind to be applied, of course, in conjunction with all of the other instructions I have previously given to you."[4]

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    I don't know if this county can afford to retry this case if it's hung. Then again, can they really just let it go? Perhaps they'll let the other state/county have their go at QT and that other case and see what happens.

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    Angry Intimidation

    Quote Originally Posted by Yuletide View Post
    Yes she did. I have to believe that anyone giving testimony is carefully guarding themselves so as not to end up like JC. My feeling is that this town let JC down. Many knew that JC and Q were together that day and night, but it seems no one was forthcoming with that info. Drug dealing and gang ties tend to keep people from telling the truth for fear of revenge. I would be very curious to know his street name, which I'm sure he has.
    Yes, indeed. "Snitches get Stitches" ...or worse. I imagine the "Baby Mama" who was revealed to be a CI for the PCSD narcotics officer who collected the car keys has long since departed the scene for parts unknown, just like Ali Alsanai. Most of these residents of Courtland will still be living there long after the cameras are gone. Sad to say, so will the drug dealers.

    http://www.clarionledger.com/story/n...case/20472455/

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