Laura Babcock Murder Trial 10.25.17 - Day 3

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This is the Babcock murder trial discussion thread.

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:rose: Remembering Laura Babcock and waiting for Justice :rose:

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A good guy emerges at grim trial into Laura Babcock’s murder
October 24 2017

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Liam Casey Shawn Lerner turned himself into an amateur sleuth after the disappearance of his ex-girlfriend Laura Babcock.

“You don’t like me, do you?”

It probably would not have required being under oath for Shawn Lerner to give an honest answer.

“No.”

Lawyers don’t give a fig whether witnesses under cross-examination like them or not. It’s an adversarial process.

But Dellen Millard, who is representing himself in court, is one of the two defendants on trial for first-degree murder in the death of Laura Babcock, whose remains have never been found.

The prosecution says Millard and Mark Smich killed her five years ago, then disposed of the young woman’s body in an incinerator.

“You find me sketchy.”

More a declaration than a question but Lerner responded. Yes, he does.

When Babcock went missing in early July, 2012, it was Lerner, her former boyfriend, who raised the alarm.

Testimony continues on Laura Babcock’s financial records in trial of 2 men accused of murder
October 25, 2017

TORONTO – A banking specialist will continue testifying today at the trial of two men accused of killing a 23-year-old Toronto woman and disposing of her body in an incinerator.

The Crown alleges that Dellen Millard, 32, of Toronto, and Mark Smich, 30, of Oakville, Ont., murdered Laura Babcock because she was the odd woman out in a love triangle. Both have pleaded not guilty to first-degree murder.
 
in relation to what caseyjones posted - I agree. I was wondering if he had internet access as the lawyer.
 
Let's hope today is a good day for the trial and the noose tightens for DM and MS.....
 
Reading over yesterdays testimony and subsequent trial coverage I thought: DM is getting exactly what he wanted. This trial is all about him.

While yes, he is on trial and the trial is about him, the coverage has taken on a DM central slant rather than feeling like it's about justice for Laura. I don't recall feeling that way about the TB trial. Just an observation and jmo.
 
Can anyone recall the rough time period where DM was engaged to the unnamed woman who now lives abroad? She was the one in the engagement photos: http://www.annrbrocklehurst.com/2013/12/dellen-millards-engagement-photos.html

I'm trying to figure out where that timeline overlaps with the events around Laura Babcock. From the article, the engagement photos were taken in Spring 2011, however how long was the whole realationship?

Thanks
 
Jealoushe said:
in relation to what caseyjones posted
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Ill copy and paste so the link can come back..
Safe to assume DM MAY have had reasonable access (hopefully under VERY close watch) of the internet.. This may be another reason that he's decided to represent himself .. Which means he MAY have had access to sites like this one. I wish I was more optimistic that something like this COULDN'T happen.. but the guys got some $$ - might be a nice salary supplement for someone to turn a blind eye. Hopefully if he did have access to internet, it was closely monitored, and or blocking any sites other then the law libraries, or CANLII or the like..
http://www.lawnow.org/the-right-to-o...h-behind-bars/
 
Shannon Martin‏ @ShannonMartinTV minutes ago

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Laura Babcock's former boyfriend & close friend spent much of the day in the witness box Tues. Today he's sitting with the Babcock family.

Shannon Martin‏ @ShannonMartinTV 5 minutes ago

Good morning, we're standing by for the judge and jury for day 3 of the Laura Babcock murder trial.

https://twitter.com/shannonmartintv?lang=en
 
Shannon Martin‏ @ShannonMartinTV 7 minutes ago

The jury is now here and an employee from TD Bank continues her testimony in chief.
 
Jealoushe said:
in relation to what caseyjones posted - I agree. I was wondering if he had internet access as the lawyer.
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Ms. Elle posted yesterday #146 http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?353465-Babcock-Murder-Trial-10-24-17-Day-2/page10 Sorry for not directly quoting the post, I don't know how to do that from a different thread.

Use of Electronic Devices in the Courtroom

Unless the presiding judge orders otherwise, the use of electronic devices in silent mode and in a discreet and unobtrusive manner is permitted in the courtroom by:
counsel;
paralegals who are licensed by the Law Society of Upper Canada;
law students and law clerks assisting counsel during the proceeding;
self-represented parties; and,
media or journalists
http://www.ontariocourts.ca/scj/prac..._the_Courtroom
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BBM, it is possible. I can imagine the need, especially access to a laptop with internet to look up precedent, etc. I'm not sure if he would have regular access outside of the courtroom but it's reasonable to believe that he has some access to review evidence (including all the electronic evidence) and prepare for the trial.

Another poster wondered if DM would have access to sites like this one. Honestly, the amount of work that he has behind him and ahead of him, I don't think he has the time for WS or any social media, even if he has the access.

Questioning Mr. Babcock and SL is small potatoes and almost "social", for the lack of a better term, for DM. I, honestly, question his ability to hack it and stick it out further in the trial when LE and data and forensic experts take the stand. This will be weeks/months of back to back witness after witness. He will get worn down and less prepared. Maybe is he counting on Dungey to ask the real questions while he focuses on his social witnesses.
 
Just getting my footing with the copy/paste, Will update live blog shortly
 
10:03 AM - 25 Oct 2017Twitter
Shannon Martin
@ShannonMartinTV
Laura Babcock's former boyfriend & close friend spent much of the day in the witness box Tues. Today he's sitting with the Babcock family.


10:05 AM - 25 Oct 2017Twitter
Shannon Martin
@ShannonMartinTV
This sketch by artist Pam Davies shows Millard acting as his own lawyer, Lerner, Justice Michael Code and crown attorney Jill Cameron.

Shannon Martin‏
@ShannonMartinTV
The jury is now here and an employee from TD Bank continues her testimony in chief.
7:08 AM - 25 Oct 2017 from Toronto, Ontario

Shannon Martin
@ShannonMartinTV
Crown has submitted evidence of Babcock's bank statements showing activity mostly coming to a halt after she's alleged to have been killed.

Twitter
Shannon Martin
@ShannonMartinTV
Yesterday she told jury some transactions after were connected to Babcock's parents' account or carried out automatically by the bank.

Shannon Martin
@ShannonMartinTV
Testimony today from TD employee is similar to yesterday, the Crown goes through some bank statements line by line.

Twitter
Shannon Martin
@ShannonMartinTV
Crown has now wrapped with the bank employee. Dellen Millard is now up for cross examination.

Shannon Martin
@ShannonMartinTV
Millard wears glasses, a black suit jacket and jeans. His hair hangs down past his chin. Parted in the middle.

Shannon Martin
@ShannonMartinTV
Mark Smich sits at a desk by himself, behind his lawyers, wearing a large grey sweater.

Shannon Martin
@ShannonMartinTV
Millard had a few brief questions, and wrapped. Smich's lawyer is also up and down. We're moving onto the next witness.

Shannon Martin
@ShannonMartinTV
Next witness is a young man with a crew cut. He appears to be chewing gum.

Twitter
Shannon Martin
@ShannonMartinTV
He's 21 and answers some introductory questions with "yeah"

Twitter
Shannon Martin
@ShannonMartinTV
He faced a number of charges as a youth.

Shannon Martin
@ShannonMartinTV
He tells the jury he "dabbles with opioids.' Started when he was 15.

Shannon Martin
@ShannonMartinTV
Oxycontin, heroin and fentanyl. He's done rehab three times, still uses "but not nearly as bad as before."
 
Velma said:
10:03 AM - 25 Oct 2017Twitter
Shannon Martin
@ShannonMartinTV
Laura Babcock's former boyfriend & close friend spent much of the day in the witness box Tues. Today he's sitting with the Babcock family.


10:05 AM - 25 Oct 2017Twitter
Shannon Martin
@ShannonMartinTV
This sketch by artist Pam Davies shows Millard acting as his own lawyer, Lerner, Justice Michael Code and crown attorney Jill Cameron.

Shannon Martin‏
@ShannonMartinTV
The jury is now here and an employee from TD Bank continues her testimony in chief.
7:08 AM - 25 Oct 2017 from Toronto, Ontario

Shannon Martin
@ShannonMartinTV
Crown has submitted evidence of Babcock's bank statements showing activity mostly coming to a halt after she's alleged to have been killed.

Twitter
Shannon Martin
@ShannonMartinTV
Yesterday she told jury some transactions after were connected to Babcock's parents' account or carried out automatically by the bank.

Shannon Martin
@ShannonMartinTV
Testimony today from TD employee is similar to yesterday, the Crown goes through some bank statements line by line.

Twitter
Shannon Martin
@ShannonMartinTV
Crown has now wrapped with the bank employee. Dellen Millard is now up for cross examination.

Shannon Martin
@ShannonMartinTV
Millard wears glasses, a black suit jacket and jeans. His hair hangs down past his chin. Parted in the middle.

Shannon Martin
@ShannonMartinTV
Mark Smich sits at a desk by himself, behind his lawyers, wearing a large grey sweater.

Shannon Martin
@ShannonMartinTV
Millard had a few brief questions, and wrapped. Smich's lawyer is also up and down. We're moving onto the next witness.

Shannon Martin
@ShannonMartinTV
Next witness is a young man with a crew cut. He appears to be chewing gum.

Twitter
Shannon Martin
@ShannonMartinTV
He's 21 and answers some introductory questions with "yeah"

Twitter
Shannon Martin
@ShannonMartinTV
He faced a number of charges as a youth.

Shannon Martin
@ShannonMartinTV
He tells the jury he "dabbles with opioids.' Started when he was 15.

Shannon Martin
@ShannonMartinTV
Oxycontin, heroin and fentanyl. He's done rehab three times, still uses "but not nearly as bad as before."
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Loving Shannon Martin's tone with this guy!
 
Lisa Hepfner‏ @HefCHCHNews
This morning #Babcock trial resumes testimony from the bank employee with docs that say Laura did not access money after disappearance

Adrian Humphreys‏ @AD_Humphreys
I'm back at #Toronto murder trial of Dellen Millard and Mark Smich in the death of Laura Babcock; I'll tweet a few highlights. #courts #law

Lisa Hepfner‏ @HefCHCHNews
The process is a bit tedious. Crown Ken Lockhart is going line by line, expl that some transactions r automatic or paid by #Babcock parents

Lisa Hepfner‏ @HefCHCHNews
Crown is done and #Millard has a q or 2 for bank employee; asking about lack of credit card activity bt June 25-July 3, #Babcock still alive

Lisa Hepfner‏ @HefCHCHNews
As far back as May 23rd, no activity on Laura #Babcock's card, #Millard establishes. Dungey gets bank employee to agree that's not odd.

Lisa Hepfner‏ @HefCHCHNews
Bank witness is done. Mark #Smich friend Desi Liberatore is next. #Babcock

Fugitive Friday: Desi Liberatore
http://www.chch.com/fugitive-friday-desi-liberatore/
 
Lisa Hepfner‏ @HefCHCHNews
That's Liberatore. He is 21. Went to high school in #Oakville until grade 11. Now lives with grandma in Etobicoke. Before w mom in #BurlON

Lisa Hepfner‏ @HefCHCHNews
Dad was at River Glen Blvd in Oakville. Both parents lived there when he was in high school. He has a youth criminal record #Babcock

Lisa Hepfner‏ @HefCHCHNews
Desi has the same hair as #Smich; army-style buzzed with more hair on top. Has been convicted of heroin possession, theft, more. #Babcock

Adrian Humphreys‏ @AD_Humphreys
Crown calls Desi Liberatorie as a witness. He's a past friend of accused Mark Smich. He's had a troubled past, drugs and petty crime.

Lisa Hepfner‏ @HefCHCHNews
Desi is not a member of an anarchist group, he just "tried it out" in his youth. You don't give your name to court, so you don't consent.

Lisa Hepfner‏ @HefCHCHNews
"I was young and naive," Liberatore says glumly, admitting "admiral" law does not kick in when you refuse to name yourself in court
 
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