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    Quote Originally Posted by CADwrest View Post
    (This post was one of the last ones from the old thread- for some reason, it wasn't carried over.)

    If we're talking contamination, I think we're talking something that happened in the lab during testing, though. The male DNA at the scene was, at least partially, semen. Someone earlier mentioned that the semen was collected as part of the crime scene examination and not the rape kit, meaning it was evident on the body or bedding. KR didn't leave that herself, and I can't see how LE bungled the crime scene to the extent they caused semen to be there that shouldn't have been. That brings in a male accomplice as a requirement, and all the issues that scenario has.
    And again, if what we are told is true, the (male) DNA of the semen MATCHES the DNA on other objects (the rum bottle & pen if I recall correctly) -- that seems to me like pretty much a slam-dunk that not only was a male present at the crime but was likely the killer.
    On a side note, I too have never seen the plausibility of MR being the person who made the 911 call.

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    Sorry I know this is redundant, but I still am mildly confused about JM. Some sources say he was KR's booty call that night, while other's say he was just her pickup and I think JB was the booty call? I guess I'm confused as to why JM would come pick up KR at 4:30 am if he wasn't the one sleeping with her. Seems VERY "friendzoney" to me, and JM had to have been quite popular with the ladies in his own right- being a big soccer star and all. I don't think I ever drove to pick up a girl who then hooked up with a friend or roommate....just seems really odd. Why didn't JB just come pick her up?

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    Quote Originally Posted by raiders444 View Post
    Sorry I know this is redundant, but I still am mildly confused about JM. Some sources say he was KR's booty call that night, while other's say he was just her pickup and I think JB was the booty call? I guess I'm confused as to why JM would come pick up KR at 4:30 am if he wasn't the one sleeping with her. Seems VERY "friendzoney" to me, and JM had to have been quite popular with the ladies in his own right- being a big soccer star and all. I don't think I ever drove to pick up a girl who then hooked up with a friend or roommate....just seems really odd. Why didn't JB just come pick her up?
    IIRC, one of the articles last month said that KR was hooking up with JB, but that was the only source that had ever made that claim, with all others saying it was JM. We concluded it was a mistake in the article. JM was the one who picked her up and the one she had a relationship with.

    JB just gets brought into the mix because his cell pinged the tower near the girls' apartment right at the same time KR was getting picked up. LE noticed this a few months later and confronted him with that information, and he claimed he'd never been over there and was asleep at the time. LE recognized his cell number because it was associated with a prior police matter in Ohio, when he had some sort of domestic situation with his mother and her boyfriend, and also it was thought JB might have stolen a firearm.

    My belief is that he's only tangentially associated to everyone because JM was his roommate, and the whole thing was just a lead LE chased down that came to nothing. Because the phone pinged the tower right when JM was known to be there, I think the probable explanation is it was just in JM's car, and JB didn't remember that because he wasn't asked about it until two months later.

    The discussion in the old thread was in posts 985, and 990-992.
    Last edited by CADwrest; 10-25-2017 at 12:11 PM. Reason: Added reference to old thread

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    Ahh okay that makes sense if the source listing JB as the booty call was inaccurate. HOWEVER, I do have one major issue with the facts as you listed them. There is no chance a 20-something year old college male (JB) or female would ever leave his/her cell phone in someone's car overnight. Absolute 0% chance. People today are so addicted and attached to their smart phones, it is literally their life line and connection to the world today and I am sure it was the same way in 2012. I seriously hope LE dove deep into this claim by JB of him being asleep and the phone being in JM's car!

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    Quote Originally Posted by raiders444 View Post
    Ahh okay that makes sense if the source listing JB as the booty call was inaccurate. HOWEVER, I do have one major issue with the facts as you listed them. There is no chance a 20-something year old college male (JB) or female would ever leave his/her cell phone in someone's car overnight. Absolute 0% chance. People today are so addicted and attached to their smart phones, it is literally their life line and connection to the world today and I am sure it was the same way in 2012. I seriously hope LE dove deep into this claim by JB of him being asleep and the phone being in JM's car!
    The phone being left in the car isn't a fact, it's just a theory of mine to explain the situation and JB's seeming innocence (he submitted to a DNA swab unless I'm very mistaken). I don't think he actually made that claim, or if he did, we don't know about it.

    I know that people are very attached to their phones, and not even just that age group, but things do happen sometimes. You put it down in the center console and forget it's there, grab a bunch of other stuff out of the car thinking it's in your pocket, etc. Then if you go right to sleep, you don't really miss it until the morning. I use my phone quite a bit, and I've done that a few times. If memory serves, JB was at the Thrill, so if he left it in the car and went inside and straight to sleep, he might not have noticed it was gone until later.

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    Think I recall reading that elsewhere as well, about the phone left in the car theory. Maybe LE or Gaspo mentioned it.

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    John Taylor's recent piece on this case is also quite good. He does the podcast "Twisted". His piece can be found in the link below:

    https://www.crimetraveller.org/2017/...y-with-murder/

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    Quote Originally Posted by raiders444 View Post
    Ahh okay that makes sense if the source listing JB as the booty call was inaccurate. HOWEVER, I do have one major issue with the facts as you listed them. There is no chance a 20-something year old college male (JB) or female would ever leave his/her cell phone in someone's car overnight. Absolute 0% chance. People today are so addicted and attached to their smart phones, it is literally their life line and connection to the world today and I am sure it was the same way in 2012. I seriously hope LE dove deep into this claim by JB of him being asleep and the phone being in JM's car!
    just as a side-thought, remember the crime was 5+ yrs. ago -- I'm not sure "smartphones" were nearly as prevalent then, and so JB may have had a simpler cellphone... or perhaps JM, in a rush, picked up the wrong phone when leaving (i.e. I think there are ways JB's phone could end up in JM's car...). Once again the police already know whatever JB gave as an explanation for his phone pinging in the area, but we're left speculating.

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    Just reviewed the documents that talk about this, which are pages 109 and 110 in the released documents. A call was made from JB's phone at 4:15 AM, it did not just ping the tower. Also, JB was at the Thrill, but told LE he drove himself home after it closed. Both of those things argue against his phone just passively being in JM's car (though as Webthrush mentioned, there are other possible explanations). Also, though, he wasn't asked about this until March 2013, almost six months later, so his memory of the night might not have been 100% clear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CADwrest View Post
    Just reviewed the documents that talk about this, which are pages 109 and 110 in the released documents. A call was made from JB's phone at 4:15 AM, it did not just ping the tower. Also, JB was at the Thrill, but told LE he drove himself home after it closed. Both of those things argue against his phone just passively being in JM's car (though as Webthrush mentioned, there are other possible explanations). Also, though, he wasn't asked about this until March 2013, almost six months later, so his memory of the night might not have been 100% clear.
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    Yeah, one of the things we havenít much mentioned here is how late (months after the crime) interviews with so many of the Thrill POIs took place. An attractive young lady goes to a rowdy bar, exposed to dozens, maybe 100+ males over a couple of hours, and a few hours later is found murdered ó seems like a linkage worth exploring right away! Again, it looks like police latched onto ETJ right away, thought they had a wrap, and ignored other avenues of investigation ó no telling what clues and evidence were lost in the process? At least thatís the impression left.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Webthrush View Post
    And again, if what we are told is true, the (male) DNA of the semen MATCHES the DNA on other objects (the rum bottle & pen if I recall correctly) -- that seems to me like pretty much a slam-dunk that not only was a male present at the crime but was likely the killer.
    On a side note, I too have never seen the plausibility of MR being the person who made the 911 call.
    Yeah, seems almost impossible to me that they would find the wrong DNA in the semen, on the pen, AND the bottle. And for all of these samples to match, seems like contamination is very unlikely to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raiders444 View Post
    Ahh okay that makes sense if the source listing JB as the booty call was inaccurate. HOWEVER, I do have one major issue with the facts as you listed them. There is no chance a 20-something year old college male (JB) or female would ever leave his/her cell phone in someone's car overnight. Absolute 0% chance. People today are so addicted and attached to their smart phones, it is literally their life line and connection to the world today and I am sure it was the same way in 2012. I seriously hope LE dove deep into this claim by JB of him being asleep and the phone being in JM's car!
    Sometimes you lose your phone and can't find it. I don't think it's implausible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CADwrest View Post
    I listened to it last night. It was a good overview of the case, IMO, and yes, a few of the details were wrong.

    I had a couple of quibbles myself. The biggest one: I don't think the time of the pocket-dial voicemail is really in dispute anymore. There's never really been an indication that it's wrong at all, but we're past just having a single phone with a time-stamp at this point. LE says they've verified the metadata of the call. If it doesn't make sense that Faith was viciously assaulted in the club by 2 or 3 people and calmly left 45 minutes later, it points to a problem with the transcript, not the time-stamp.

    Second, and I've seen it mentioned but never elaborated upon, but what's driving the idea that MR made the 911 call and not KR? Even if one suspects KR, that doesn't make a lot of sense. Is she so overjoyed that her plot succeeded that she handed the phone to MR to do a victory dance in the background? Does MR not question this or think it's weird enough to ever mention again?
    I don't quite get this either. I am one of those who has always felt that KR knows more than she has told. I flip-flop quite often on whether or not she knew before or only after the fact, though I currently believe she did not know until after. I have never, however, thought for even one moment that it was MR who made the call, pretending to be KR. I just see no reason why MR would have done it, even if she was asked to, and also can see no reason why she would have been asked to. Just makes no sense at all to me. JMO

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveP View Post
    <snipped> I have never, however, thought for even one moment that it was MR who made the call, pretending to be KR. I just see no reason why MR would have done it, even if she was asked to, and also can see no reason why she would have been asked to. Just makes no sense at all to me. JMO
    Even putting the worst construction on it (KR knew she was dead and asked MR to make the call bc she didn’t trust her acting abilities), I can’t see why she would ask MR to pretend to be her, or why MR would go along with that. You can’t even appeal to a “mean girl” conspiracy there and say MR was in on it (I refuse to take that seriously), since the only reason for MR to make the call is to get her genuine reaction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CADwrest View Post
    Even putting the worst construction on it (KR knew she was dead and asked MR to make the call bc she didnít trust her acting abilities), I canít see why she would ask MR to pretend to be her, or why MR would go along with that. You canít even appeal to a ďmean girlĒ conspiracy there and say MR was in on it (I refuse to take that seriously), since the only reason for MR to make the call is to get her genuine reaction.
    I don't think it's impossible that KR would ask MR to make the call, and that MR would then do it. Some people really dislike making phone calls, even to order pizza or something. I think it's especially true of millennials when they're used to texting all day long. I could see it causing someone a lot of anxiety to think of making a 911 call.

    I have mentioned before that I've considered if it was MR, mostly just because I had heard the 911 audio and MR's voice on the 20/20 special sounded fairly similar to me.

    Just being devil's advocate. At this point I believe the 911 call was made by KR.

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