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    Quote Originally Posted by Whiskers16 View Post
    I don't think it's impossible that KR would ask MR to make the call, and that MR would then do it. Some people really dislike making phone calls, even to order pizza or something. I think it's especially true of millennials when they're used to texting all day long. I could see it causing someone a lot of anxiety to think of making a 911 call.

    I have mentioned before that I've considered if it was MR, mostly just because I had heard the 911 audio and MR's voice on the 20/20 special sounded fairly similar to me.

    Just being devil's advocate. At this point I believe the 911 call was made by KR.
    Right, I’m not saying anyone would find it suspicious if MR had made the 9-11 call instead of KR, since they both were together when they found her (actually, let me immediately retract that- people would absolutely say it was suspicious if KR asked MR to make the 9-11 call).

    I was saying I’ve never understood why 1) MR would do it and pretend to be KR and 2) the purpose it would serve, even if KR were actually guilty.

    I just bring it up because Gasparoli specifically mentioned it in his 5 year post, and it was also brought up in last week’s podcast, and I was just lost as to what the point of that line of questioning even was.

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    Here is a case summary I’ve put together to summarize many of the details we all get rusty on as time passes.

    Thread Links:
    Thread 1, Thread 2

    About Faith [8, 6]:

    Faith Danielle Hedgepeth
    Age: 19 [6]
    Hometown: Hollister, NC [10 @ 04:13]
    Member of the Haliwa-Saponi Tribe [16]
    Received a Gates Millennium Scholarship, full tuition through grad school [6, 10 @ 04:09]
    Sophomore at University of North Carolina (UNC) [16]
    Worked as a waitress at Red Robin [10 @ 05:53]
    Would have been the first college graduate in her family [6]
    “Faith was a very social person. She instantly had connections on campus,” “She just smiled all the time.” “She had friends everywhere.” [10 @ 5:08]


    Social Media Links:
    Facebook: Faith.Hedgepeth
    Instagram: ole_faithful
    Twitter: IAmNoPocahontas
    Myspace: havefaith926
    FB Group - Remembering Faith Hedgepeth
    FB Group - Justice For Faith

    Video/Audio Links:
    ABC 20/20 Special: Love, Hope, and Faith (9/23/16)
    Surveillance Video: The Thrill video
    911 Call: Entire 911 Call audio

    Crime Watch Daily Part 1:
    https://youtu.be/Ebt677COm8k
    Crime Watch Daily Part 2:
    https://youtu.be/7KXvNVP7VpA
    Crime Watch Daily Part 3:
    https://youtu.be/iTCMjv_XsRg
    Crime Watch Daily Part 4:
    https://youtu.be/_NwNpXy9-zI
    Crime Watch Daily Part 5:
    https://youtu.be/C6JRMx_0ycI
    Crime Watch Daily - Interview with Investigators:
    https://youtu.be/iO2R-EV0ruU

    Case Documents: Hedgepeth Files (contributed by Tyler Dukes, WRAL-TV, Raleigh)

    Case Map [12, 13]: Faith Hedgepeth Case Map

    Case Blog: Faith Hedgepeth Blog by Journalist Thomas Gasparoli, (Credentials Here)

    Timeline:
    05 Jul 2012 - ETJ broke into the bedroom, threatened KR, and pushed her to the ground. [18]
    10 Jul 2012 - ETJ broke into the apartment after KR had changed the locks. [18]
    11 Jul 2012 - RO was issued against ETJ by KR. [1 Pg 86]
    01 Aug 2012 - FH moves in with KR. “After subleasing [...] from late April to July 31, Hedgepeth needed somewhere to live until her financial aid was cleared to help pay for another apartment.” [18]
    05 Sept 2012 - BE spent the night on the couch at the apartment of KR/FH. [9]
    06 Sept 2012 11:00 - BE left apartment of KR/FH. [9]
    06 Sept 2012 - ETJ texted a friend asking them to “forgive him for what he was about to do.” [8]
    06 Sept 2012 - ETJ posted a message to someone on Twitter “asking them to forgive him for what he was about to do” [9]
    06 Sept 2012 19:30 - FH and KR study at Davis Library on UNC campus [8]
    06 Sept 2012 - FH leaves briefly to visit a male friend and returns to the library [14]
    07 Sept 2012 00:00 - FH and KR reach apartment [8]
    07 Sept 2012 12:30 - FH and KR leave apartment to go to The Thrill [10]
    07 Sept 202 12:40 - FH and KR arrive at The Thrill [10]
    07 Sept 2012 01:23 - Timestamp on FH “buttdial” call [7]
    07 Sept 2012 02:38 - FH and KR leave The Thrill [8]
    07 Sept 2012 03:00 - FH and KR reach apartment [10]
    07 Sept 2012 03:30 - Activity on FH’s facebook page [10 @ 11:30]
    07 Sept 2012 03:40 - Text message from FH to BE: “Hey b. can you come over here please. Karena needs you more aha. You know. Please let her know you care.” [8]
    07 Sept 2012 03:43 - Text message from FH to BE : "Than." (believed to be correction for “aha’ in previous text) [8]
    07 Sept 2012 03:44:28 - Phone call from KR’s phone to BE (33 sec) [1 Pg 48]
    07 Sept 2012 3:52:19 - Phone call from KR’s phone to BE (38 sec) [1 Pg 48]
    07 Sept 2012 3:55:08 - Phone call from KR’s phone to BE (37 sec) [1 Pg 48]
    07 Sept 2012 04:00 - “According to [FH’s] autopsy, [KR] was the last person to see [FH] alive. [KR] saw her sleeping in their Hawthorne at the View apartment at 4 a.m.” [17]
    07 Sept 2012 04:15 - Phone belonging to JB pings in vicinity of KR’s/FH’s apartment. [1 Pg 109]
    07 Sept 2012 04:27 - KR leaves apartment with JM, leaves door unlocked, she knew Faith to be in bed in the bedroom. [8, 10 @ 12:28]
    07 Sept 2012 04:30 “Cops say Faith was killed after 4:30 in the morning.” [3]
    07 Sept 2012 11:00 - KR and MR reach apartment [8]
    07 Sept 2012 11:01 - KR calls 911 [5]
    07 Sept 2012 - Initial SW executed for apartment of KR/FH. [1 Pg 60]
    07 Sept 2012 16:11 - SW for white Nissan Altima related to FH. [1 Pg 53-59]
    07 Sept 2012 16:16 - BE texts FH’s phone back “who is this?” [8, 9]
    09 Sept 2012 - SW for FH’s Facebook info for last 90 days [1 Pg 18-24]
    09 Sept 2012 - SW for ETJ’s Facebook info for last 90 days [1 Pg 33-40]
    10 Sept 2012 - Secondary search executed for apartment of KR/FH [1 Pg 60]
    10 Sept 2012 - ETJ changed FB cover photo to “Dear Lord, Forgive me for all of my sins and the sins I may commit today. Protect me from the girls who don’t deserve me and the ones who wish me dead today.” [9]
    11 Sept 2012 - SW for white Honda Accord related to BE [1 Pg 43-52]
    11 Sept 2012 - SW executed for Apartment 904 (ETJ). [1 Pg 82-90]
    18 Oct 2012 - SW for NCSECU records related to FH. [1 Pg 69-74]
    24 Oct 2012 - SW for Lenovo laptop belonging to FH, already in possession of CHPD. [1 Pg 62-68]
    24 Oct 2012 - SW for Lenovo laptop belonging to KR, already in possession of CHPD. [1 Pg 75-81]
    Dec 2012 - The FBI came on board to assist the Chapel Hill Police Department in their investigation and developed a profile of the killer. [14]
    05 Sept 2014 Release of Case Documents to the public [1]
    23 Sept 2016 ABC 20/20 airs “Love, Hope and Faith”, reveals phenotype [10]

    Evidence - The Note [8]:

    “Faith had gone out the night before, stopped at Time Out, and brought food back to the
    Apartment.” [10 @ 24:11]
    In the center of the bed was a small white paper bag from Time Out fast food establishment with the note “I’M NOT STUPID ***** JEALOUS” written in ink [1 - Pg 22, 23, 10 @ 23:04]
    “No visible blood on note.” [10 @ 24:44]
    “Police say both the note and the pen have the killer’s DNA on it.” [10 @ 24:30]

    Evidence - The “Buttdial” Voicemail:
    Voicemail audio length: 2 minutes 59 seconds [4]
    Police “used multiple sources to corroborate” timestamp of 01:23AM on voicemail. Based on the timestamp it occurred in The Thrill when FH was still alive. [7]
    Forensic audio expert Arlo West believes audio contains voices of “Hedgepeth, at least two men, and another woman.” The timestamp on the voicemail could be inaccurate due to “a known software glitch existed in that time frame.” [7]
    “20/20 presented the tape to a lab used by the FBI to see if it could be enhanced. They said it
    could not.” [10 @ 28:57]
    “What I’m hearing here is the melody of the T-Pain song [...] ‘Booty Werk’.” [3]

    Evidence - Crime Scene [14, 10 @ 14:11, 13:17, 22:43, 13:52]:




    Faith was found “dead in a bedroom, on a bed face up. [...] hanging off the bed over a pool of blood with her black shirt pulled up over her head; she had no clothes on from the waist down. There was blood spatter on the closet and a bloody tampon was lying beside her on the bed.” [1 Pg 29]
    “There’s blood all over the pillows, like, in the comforter” [10 @ 06:32]
    “A rape kit was performed, which revealed the presence of semen. DNA generated from the semen matched other DNA recovered from the crime scene.” [6]
    “Semen is also discovered on Faith’s body. Investigators use it to generate a DNA profile.” [10 @ 14:15]
    “He may also have perpetrated a sexual assault.” [10 @ 14:15]
    “There was no sign of forced entry.” -CL [10 @ 14:11]
    “Her family told ABC11 she was raped.” [11]
    “Police say Hedgepeth had been bludgeoned to death with an empty bottle of rum.” [14, 10 @ 14:00]

    Evidence - Autopsy:
    “The official autopsy report does show contusions on Faith’s hands.” [3]
    “Cause of death was blunt-force trauma. The autopsy report also detailed cuts and bruises on Faith’s arms and legs and blood under her fingernails.” [6]
    “bruises and cuts on her knuckles” [17]
    “blood-alcohol level of 0.02” [17]
    “You look at all these head injuries and think about how they were inflicted. You’re talking about being as close as you and I, hitting you in the head with a bottle, while you’re looking at me, I’m looking at you. You can’t get much more personal than that.” -Former FBI Profiler Brad Garrett [10 @ 17:08]
    “The autopsy report [...] says a bottle that was normally kept in the kitchen was found in the bedroom with tissue fragments and DNA on it.” [9].

    Search Warrants:
    Information from last 90 days associated with FH’s Facebook profile [1 Pg 18-24]
    Information from last 90 days associated with ETJ’s Facebook profile [1 Pg 33-40]
    Vehicle search for white Honda Accord related to BE - two swabs from back driver side interior bottom of door frame, two swabs of driver side backseat seat cushion. [1 Pg 43-52]
    Vehicle search for white Nissan Altima related to FH. [1 Pg 53-59]
    Apartment of KR/FH - seized bedding, bacardi bottle, remote control, purple HTC cell phone, pillows, undergarments, riesling bottle, swabbings, tank top, Ibm thinkpad, pens, note cards, key to apartment. Items denoted 9/10/12: jean shorts, underwear, white tank top, sandals. Items not clearly denoted 9/7/12 or 9/10/12: Wallet of victim, paperwork from bedroom, paperwork from closet, bathroom items, flat iron. [1 Pg 60]
    Information from NCSECU for accounts assigned to FH. [1 Pg 69-74]
    Lenovo laptop belonging to FH, already in possession of CHPD. [1 Pg 62-68]
    Lenovo laptop belonging to KR, already in possession of CHPD. [1 Pg 75-81]
    Apartment 904 of the same complex as KR/FH. Seized: 2012 Jeep, misc. Clothing, misc. Shoes, misc.bedding items, misc. Garments, misc. Items, misc. papers. [1 Pg 82-90]
    “[BE], according to a warrant, had also dated [KR]. They were “just” friends at the time but had previously had a physical relationship” [9]

    POIs/Suspects and others mentioned by MSM/LE:
    Direct tips to Chapel Hill Police Department (919-614-6363) or Crimestoppers (919-942-7515) [6]
    “A total of $39,000 is being offered for information leading to an arrest and conviction.” [6]
    “It’s really the central contradiction of the whole case; despite all the indications the killer was
    inside Faith’s social circle, the DNA says the killer has to come from somewhere outside. Someone with at least one degree of separation.” [10 @ 32:41]
    KR has been interviewed “over ten times” and has been cooperative. [10 @ 29:43]
    KR “has never been a suspect.” [10 @ 30:13]
    “Whether or not [...] [KR] is giving us all of the information that she knows and/or [...] truthful information [...] continues to be under investigation.” [10 @ 29:55]
    ETJ “remains a person of interest.” [10 @ 21:11]
    “Cops won’t tell us where the rapper was on the night of the murder, although they do say he
    was not at the Thrill nightclub.” [10 @ 20:31]
    “At this point in time, there’s not enough evidence to arrest Takoy Jones.” [10 @ 20:47]
    “Investigators have gathered hundreds of DNA samples” [6]
    Police have pursued “over 1800” people, either for information or as a possible POI. [10 @ 15:37]
    “I’ve been told that every male in the apartment complex was tested” -RH [2]
    “There was the crack dealer and gun runner who was also a police informant. An unstable student who police say once threatened to shoot his mother’s boyfriend in the head. And the guy Faith walked out of the club with; cops say when he was later interviewed he made suspicious statements. All were later eliminated through a DNA process.” [1 @ 15:59]
    “[BE] had been swabbed and eliminated as the killer.” [10 @ 33:33]
    “At one time, [BE] lived with an ex-con with a violent past. Someone who police have not tested yet” whose criminal background includes multiple “assault[s] on a female” [10 @ 33:33]

    Suspsect Profile developed by CHPD and FBI’s Behavioral Analysis Unit [15]:

    1. The homicide suspect is familiar with the victim and may have lived near the victim in the past.
    2. The homicide suspect was unaccounted for during the early morning hours of Sept. 7, 2012.
    3. The homicide suspect may have made comments regarding the victim to close associates in the past.
    4. There may have been some change in the homicide suspect’s behavior after the murder (to include an unusual interest in the case) or a change in his performance at work or school.
    5. The homicide suspect may have left the area unexpectedly or in an unplanned manner. He may also have an explanation for the sudden departure.

    “That would suggest to me that your killer knows the building, knows the location, and didn’t just wander upon this particular apartment building and randomly pick this door and walk through it and commit this horrendous act.” -Former FBI Profiler Brad Garrett [10 @ 17:29]

    Suspect DNA Phenotype [5]:
    “Snapshot [by Parabon Nanolabs in Virginia] predicts eye color, hair colors, skin color, freckling, face morphology, and ancestry.” [10 @ 35:40]
    “This person is dark olive or light olive skin, brown or hazel eyes, most likely has black hair,
    and most likely this person has zero freckles, but we can’t exclude that they have a few. We typically see
    this profile, um, in Latino individuals.” [10 @ 36:29]

    Sources:
    [1] Case Documents
    [2] Crime Watch Daily Part 2
    [3] https://youtu.be/_NwNpXy9-zI Crime Watch Daily Part 4

    [4] https://youtu.be/C6JRMx_0ycI Crime Watch Daily Part 5
    [5] Indian Country Media Network Article 1
    [6] Indian Country Media Network Article 2
    [7] News Observer Article 1
    [8] Crime Watch Daily Page for Faith’s Case
    [9] News Observer Article 2
    [10] ABC 20/20 Special: Love, Hope and Faith
    [11] ABC11 Article 1
    [12] The Daily Tar Heel Article 1
    [13] Benefit for Faith Hedgepeth
    [14] ABC News Article 1
    [15] News of Orange Article 1
    [16] Indian Country Media Network Article 3
    [17] The Daily Tar Heel Article 2
    [18] The Daily Tar Heel Article 3
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    Learn something new every day - only 5 images allowed per post. Additional images corresponding to my prior post:








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    Very nicely done, Whiskers! Thank you so much for all the work you’ve put into this!

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    Excellent summary Whiskers16!!!

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    Thank you for this much needed summary!

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    Thanks Whiskers. . . your time and effort is much appreciated!

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    Just to throw a new idea out there:

    What if it was Faith's former neighbor? She was mocking him on Twitter when she heard him and his girlfriend having sex through the walls of her old apartment. He would fit because he used to live near her (which the FBI profile suggested). It would also explain the note. "I'm not stupid" (I know you were making fun of me) "B***h" (You shouldn't have done that) "Jealous" (You just wish it was you that you'd overheard me with). Of course, we don't know if he fits any of the other criteria, or anything else about him. And why he seeks her out this night of all nights, and at 4:30 in the morning, would be a good question.

    Thoughts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CADwrest View Post
    Just to throw a new idea out there:

    What if it was Faith's former neighbor? She was mocking him on Twitter when she heard him and his girlfriend having sex through the walls of her old apartment. He would fit because he used to live near her (which the FBI profile suggested). It would also explain the note. "I'm not stupid" (I know you were making fun of me) "B***h" (You shouldn't have done that) "Jealous" (You just wish it was you that you'd overheard me with). Of course, we don't know if he fits any of the other criteria, or anything else about him. And why he seeks her out this night of all nights, and at 4:30 in the morning, would be a good question.

    Thoughts?
    Hmmm... I'm doubtful, BUT at least it definitely is (to me) a "new idea" (at least I don't recall ever hearing about this incident or individual before)... don't even know if he's discussable here?, but if so I'd sure be curious to hear more specifics of whatever is known.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Webthrush View Post
    Hmmm... I'm doubtful, BUT at least it definitely is (to me) a "new idea" (at least I don't recall ever hearing about this incident or individual before)... don't even know if he's discussable here?, but if so I'd sure be curious to hear more specifics of whatever is known.
    Why doubtful? Can you elaborate?

    Regarding whether it is allowable, I am pretty sure that Faith’s public social media is ok to discuss.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Skigirl View Post
    Why doubtful? Can you elaborate?

    Regarding whether it is allowable, I am pretty sure that Faith’s public social media is ok to discuss.


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    I just don't understand why this neighbor would be so mad 7 months later about her tweet...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Skigirl View Post
    Why doubtful? Can you elaborate?

    Regarding whether it is allowable, I am pretty sure that Faith’s public social media is ok to discuss.


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    mostly reasons too subjective to mention (including as Simplestarz says, the time gap between the incident & crime seems stretched), but I just think police would’ve checked this angle out long ago. (I tend to assume the perp is someone un-investigated, and off police radar).

    All this does make me wonder about one small matter though: many people think the bag-note ‘sounds’ like a female, in part because the word “jealous” seems more likely used by a female than a male — I agree that’s generally true for American males, BUT what about in Latin culture? — do male Latinos possibly use the word “jealous” more often/freely? Just wondering…

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    Quote Originally Posted by Webthrush
    <snipped>...but I just think police would’ve checked this angle out long ago. (I tend to assume the perp is someone un-investigated, and off police radar).
    Agreed, and I think this is a major problem with anyone with even a remotely obvious motive. It’s been 5 years, and I have to believe someone at the CHPD had this thought before I did and checked it out. As Simplestarz alluded to, this would be a stupid thing to stay mad about and kind of a bad motive, but given that LE has looked into people that never even knew Faith, I’d like to think they checked this out.

    But... what if they haven’t? We tend to view them as having left no stone unturned, what with them talking to 2000 people and swabbing 750, but this is the same police department that didn’t talk to the Thrill guys for 6 whole months. That didn’t canvas the neighbors, didn’t search the woods. They clearly have overlooked things. So I don’t think we should necessarily rule something out just because we think there’s no way LE hasn’t thought of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Webthrush View Post
    mostly reasons too subjective to mention (including as Simplestarz says, the time gap between the incident & crime seems stretched), but I just think police would’ve checked this angle out long ago. (I tend to assume the perp is someone un-investigated, and off police radar).

    All this does make me wonder about one small matter though: many people think the bag-note ‘sounds’ like a female, in part because the word “jealous” seems more likely used by a female than a male — I agree that’s generally true for American males, BUT what about in Latin culture? — do male Latinos possibly use the word “jealous” more often/freely? Just wondering…
    Is there any evidence for the idea that men use the word "jealous" less than women? I mean, it's not a word that I use very often, and this seems like one of those ideas that people have just taken on as truth without even really questioning whether it's true or not. Woman on woman violent crime is uncommon, so it seems like that would trump anything about a note that may or may not be true (and yes, if people insist, I'll spend time finding links to gender distributions of violent crime).

    ETA (https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/wo.pdf)
    14% of violent crimes are committed by women (or conversely, 86% by men)
    11% of violent crimes are woman-on-woman
    75% of those are simple assaults (female-committed violent crimes other than simple assault = 25%*14% = 3.4% of all violent crimes)
    Murders committed by women = 1.3 per 100,000
    Murders committed by men = 11.5 per 100,000
    Per capita, there are 6xs more male offenders than female ones

    The above numbers are probably not the most recent ones, but I would be willing to bet that the current stats are largely consistent, even if the absolute numbers are smaller (since the crime rate has been going down for three decades).
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    Would someone kindly explain to me how Websleuths defines "sleuthing"? I had a couple of posts deleted from the Michelle Young thread and I think it was because I identified the person I think is responsible for her death. But I'm not sure I understand the line between discussing a case and "sleuthing". For example, if I were to say that I believe this or that POI is responsible for killing Faith, would that be "sleuthing"? Why or why not? And if so, why is this inappropriate? Thanks.

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