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    Laura Babcock Murder Trial 10.26.17 - Day 4

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    Remembering Laura Babcock and waiting for Justice


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    You are not forgotten ... Rest peacefully, Laura


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    ADMIN WARNING: RE PAYWALL SITES

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    Information that you post at Websleuths about the trial must be obtained through MSM or MSM social media (i.e. Twitter, Facebook) and linked.

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    Laura Babcock Murder Trial 10.25.17 - Day 4

    Accused killer admitted to burning a body, friend tells Laura Babcock murder trial
    By Trevor Dunn, CBC News Posted: Oct 25, 2017



    A friend of one of the two men accused of killing Laura Babcock has testified that he heard one of them admit to burning a woman's body and disposing of her cellphone in a lake.

    The jury heard from Desi Liberatore, 21, on Wednesday at the first-degree murder trial of Dellen Millard, 32, of Toronto, and Mark Smich, 30, of Oakville, Ont. Liberatore, who grew up in Oakville, was friends with Smich.

    Liberatore first provided information to police linking Smich to the Babcock case in September 2013, while he was in custody for another matter.

    Babcock was 23 when she disappeared from Toronto in 2012. Her body was never found.

    Laura Babcock murder trial expected to hear from 3 witnesses today
    CBC News Posted: Oct 26, 2017

    Three more witnesses are expected to testify for the Crown on Thursday as the Laura Babcock murder trial moves into its fourth day.

    Dellen Millard, 32, of Toronto, and Mark Smich, 30, of Oakville, Ont., are each charged with first-degree murder.

    CBC Live Blog
    Last edited by Coldpizza; 10-26-2017 at 09:30 AM.

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    Shannon Martin‏ @ShannonMartinTV 59 seconds ago

    Good morning! We are still standing in the hallway, waiting to go through security and get into the courtroom. Hope to be with you soon!

    https://twitter.com/shannonmartintv?lang=en

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    Thanks, Coldpizza. The Live Blog isn't updating yet, but I'm poised and ready when Shannon and Trevor start to update us

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    Shannon Martin‏ @ShannonMartinTV 59 seconds ago

    Okay we are rolling now. Crown has called David Cronin, 2, another of Smich's friends who was in the garage along with Desi Liberatore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coldpizza View Post
    Shannon Martin‏ @ShannonMartinTV 59 seconds ago

    Okay we are rolling now. Crown has called David Cronin, 2, another of Smich's friends who was in the garage along with Desi Liberatore.
    I wonder why the blog has not yet gone live...?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Velma View Post
    Thanks, Coldpizza. The Live Blog isn't updating yet, but I'm poised and ready when Shannon and Trevor start to update us
    Try this link Velma:

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toront...four-1.4371985

    Not sure why the other link isn't updating.

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    Thanks again, Coldpizza!

    Oct 26 2017 10:40 AM
    After a 30 minute delay, day 4 of the Laura Babcock murder trial is underway.

    David Cronin, 22, is a friend of Mark Smich and is facing questioning now from Crown Jill Cameron.

    Yesterday we heard from Desi Liberatore who was also part of Smich's inner circle. He told the jury about an encounter in Smich's mom's garage, where Smich pulled out an iPad and start performing a rap he wrote.

    The Crown read the lyrics during opening statements:

    The ***** started off all skin and bone/

    now the ***** lay on some ashy stone/

    last time I saw her's outside the home/

    and if you go swimming you can find her phone.



    Smich said it was more than just a rap. Cronin is now recounting the same tale.


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    Oct 26 2017 10:42 AMCronin says "honestly at the time I didn't believe it." He said Mark seemed like he just wanted to be "the big cool guy."

    Oct 26 2017 10:46 AM
    Yesterday Smich's lawyer Thomas Dungey tried to chip away at Liberatore's credibility and memory. Liberatore admitted to being a heavy drug user.

    Cronin agrees they were passing around a joint, and there was some booze, but neither was his thing.

    "My mind was very clear," Cronin tells the Crown.

    He also adds the friends never confronted Smich about the rap or his confession.

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    Oct 26 2017 10:52 AM
    Cronin says he reported the information about the alleged murder to police in May 2013. He alerted the vice principal at his school, who called Toronto Police.

    He'd heard media reports about a missing girl.

    This is unlike his friend Desi Liberatore, who actually only exchanged information with police after he was in custody for another matter in 2014.

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    DM must just be itching to give MS the stick eye every time that Rap video is mentioned, I wonder if he was forewarned it would not be tolerated whilst re reps himself?

    Kudos to the latest witness, for getting his life together and going to police with this info on his own accord, once he realized it was actually a true story!

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    Lisa Hepfner‏ @HefCHCHNews
    Delay in #Babcock murder trial today. Still waiting for courtroom to open. I will tweet the proceedings & recap 6pm @CHCHNews

    Lisa Hepfner‏ @HefCHCHNews
    First witness at #Babcock trial is David Cronin, just sworn in.

    Lisa Hepfner‏ @HefCHCHNews
    Cronin is 22, works in "custom home construction." Is going back to school this year, finished pre-law. Lives in #Oakville, "born & bred."

    Lisa Hepfner‏ @HefCHCHNews
    Cronin does not have a criminal record, but has had interactions with police. July 2014 arrested for stealing hockey cards. #Babcock

    Lisa Hepfner‏ @HefCHCHNews
    Nov 2016rand late had incidents where he slammed on his brakes and waved middle finger at police. "I was not in the right state of mind."

    Lisa Hepfner‏ @HefCHCHNews
    Do you use drugs? Currently no. He had a drug problem in the past. Hasn't had any intoxicants for 2 years. Started marijuana at 14 yrs

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    Lisa Hepfner‏ @HefCHCHNews
    Hard drugs at 17yrs. by the time he was 18 had a heroin addiction. Rehab, counselling, sober 2 years. "Congratulations," crown Jill Cameron

    Lisa Hepfner‏ @HefCHCHNews
    Conin knows accused Mark #Smich. Met when they were about 16 he thinks. Smich would buy he and his friends cigarettes. #Babcock

    Lisa Hepfner‏ @HefCHCHNews
    "After awhile of buying us cigarettes and chatting after... we were smoking marijuana and he offered to provide it," Cronin says of #Smich

    Lisa Hepfner‏ @HefCHCHNews
    Once they had #Smich number, the high school buddies saw him a few times a week. He lived minutes from their school. #Smich was early 20s

    Lisa Hepfner‏ @HefCHCHNews
    #Smich lived with his mother, Cronin says. #Smich's mother is in the courtroom. Chomping gum. Watching dispassionately

    Lisa Hepfner‏ @HefCHCHNews
    One night the friends were hanging out, smoking a joint and having a couple beers, Cronin says. He doesn't remember much until this:

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