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    Laura Babcock Murder Trial 11.10.17 - Day 14

    This is the Babcock murder trial discussion thread.

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    Remembering Laura Babcock and waiting for Justice


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    You are not forgotten ... Rest peacefully, Laura


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    Laura Babcock murder trial: Jury sees animal incinerator Crown alleges was used to burn body
    By Adam Carter, CBC News Nov 09, 2017

    Warning: This story contains graphic subject matter

    For the first time at the Laura Babcock murder trial on Thursday, the jury saw the huge animal incinerator that the Crown alleges was used to burn the Toronto woman's body.

    Court saw photos of accused killer Mark Smich standing in front of the imposing black machine — smiling from ear to ear — and a screen capture found on co-accused Dellen Millard's computer, from a website asking, "What temperature is cremation done at?"

    The Crown alleges Babcock, 23, was burned in the incinerator, dubbed "The Eliminator" by the manufacturer, after she was killed by the pair in July 2012.



    Falconer's presentation included a photo shot at 2:40 p.m that day that was recovered from one of Millard's computers. It showed a blue tarp, rolled up, with a dog sitting next to it. The Crown has not explained the significance of the photo.
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    Laura Babcock murder trial: OPP veteran faces more cross-examination
    By Adam Carter, CBC News Nov 10, 2017

    A witness considered crucial to the Crown's case will face more cross-examination on Friday at the trial of two men accused of killing and incinerating Toronto woman Laura Babcock.

    Retired OPP officer Jim Falconer will be back in the witness box for a fourth day — answering questions from the defence about messages, photos and videos found on electronic devices seized from homes of the two accused — Dellen Millard, 32, of Toronto, and Mark Smich, 30, of Oakville, Ont.

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    I'm back at the courthouse today for the last day of the Laura Babcock murder trial this week.
    by Adam Carter 9:17 AM

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    It's expected that Mark Smich's lawyer, Tom Dungey, will begin his cross of retired OPP officer Jim Falconer this morning.
    by Adam Carter 9:19 AM

    Dellen Millard's cross is still open from yesterday though (he's representing himself), so there's a chance he may ask some more questions first.
    by Adam Carter 9:20 AM

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    We're in the courtroom now, just waiting on the jury.
    by Adam Carter 9:32 AM

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    We're now in session, just waiting on the jury.
    by Adam Carter 9:38 AM

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    Any help with the tweets is greatly appreciated.

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    The jury is now coming in. We're getting started.
    by Adam Carter 9:43 AM


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    "As often happens if you give a cross examiner overnight, he finds a couple more questions to ask," Justice Code says. Millard is now continuing his cross.
    by Adam Carter 9:45 AM

    I'll try to make this as clear as possible, but it was quite difficult to understand a lot of his points and questions yesterday.
    by Adam Carter 9:46 AM

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    Adam Carter‏Verified account @AdamCarterCBC 1m1 minute ago
    He's asking about backups with iTunes and iPhones, and how a user has to choose to do a full backup of their phone. #LauraBabcock

    Lisa Hepfner‏ @HefCHCHNews 2m2 minutes ago
    Falconer doesn't agree that syncing a device and backing it up are the same thing. "The backup and restore is more fulsome."
    "That's actually quite fair, thank you," #Millard responds.

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    He's asking about backups with iTunes and iPhones, and how a user has to choose to do a full backup of their phone.
    by Adam Carter 9:47 AM

    Millard is asking if backup files can be deleted. Falconer says yes. "There's no special programming guard within iTunes that would prevent a person from deleting them, is there?" Falconer says no, he doesn't believe so.
    by Adam Carter 9:50 AM

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    Thank you Kamille!

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    Now messages from Millard and "Kowalski" from July 2012. I'm not really sure what's being said here. Seems to be something about sex.
    by Adam Carter 12:44 PM

    Lisa Hepfner‏ @HefCHCHNews 8s8 seconds ago
    Next conversation with Kowalski. first a pic, no message, then, "What you do?!" "You told me the only way to make her cum." "You asked me if I minded if you." "That was the last I heard of her." #LauraBabcock

    Lisa Hepfner‏ @HefCHCHNews 4s4 seconds ago
    The photo was a shot of #LauraBabcock and the headline "Police looking for woman last seen in Roncesvalles 3 weeks ago"

    There was a screen shot here too. It's of a news story about police looking for Laura Babcock. One of the messages in that exchange read "what'd you do?"
    by Adam Carter 12:45 PM

    The news story was sent by Kowalksi.
    by Adam Carter 12:45 PM


    Interesting AM's spelling here. Is he at this point thinking LB died during sex with DM? As in something like a choking sex game?

    edit: ... sorry... didn't realize we'd already started today. Above is from yesterday.

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