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    UCLA B-Ball players arrested in China-being detained...

    Sources: LiAngelo Ball, 2 other UCLA players arrested in China


    http://www.espn.com/mens-college-bas...ifting-charges

    Three UCLA men's basketball players -- including LiAngelo Ball, the younger brother of Los Angeles Lakers rookie Lonzo Ball -- were arrested in China just days before Friday's season-opening game against Georgia Tech in Shanghai, sources told ESPN's Jeff Goodman.

    One source told ESPN the group of players -- which also included freshmen Cody Riley and Jalen Hill -- were arrested on shoplifting charges.

    The players are being questioned about stealing from a Louis Vuitton store that is located next to the team's hotel.

    A source tells ESPN the players are not currently with the team.
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    This is very tricky right now, politically.

    Pres. Trump is in Asia, about to visit China. This is very unfortunate timing for everyone involved.

    This was also incredibly stupid behavior by these players, if it is true.

    And according to ESPN talk radio, 710, they were caught red handed with the stolen merchandise in their back packs, on the team bus.


    Teens do stupid stuff, and this was really dumb. They will likely lose their scholarships, maybe impact their futures in the NBA, and embarrassed themselves, their families and their country.

    It also poorly affects the 'take a knee' movement, to have young black American athletes, steal in a foreign country, while on an international ambassador assignment abroad.

    This very simple incident may have broad implications...
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    'not currently with the team' - does that mean they released them from their contracts? in other words, fired?

    this will affect their future in college and in basketball

    sheer idiocy

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    Dorial Beckham-Green was released by the University of Missouri Tiger football team after too many marijuana arrests.

    Moved on to the NFL.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Laughing View Post
    Dorial Beckham-Green was released by the University of Missouri Tiger football team after too many marijuana arrests.

    Moved on to the NFL.

    Right, but if Dorial had been busted in CHINA for doing so, whole different story. Stealing from a Louis Vuitton store could be a felony, if they took expensive merchandise.

    And China doesn't play when it comes to felonies committed by foreigners. This could get very messy.
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    China is an independent, sovereign country. One of the chief attributes of sovereignty is the right of a country to make and enforce laws within its own borders. Just as in the United States of America, the Chinese government has the internationally recognized right to try foreigners as well as its own nationals within its territory.

    Anyone who breaks the law in China is subject to prosecution under the Chinese legal system. If a person is convicted and sentenced to imprisonment by a Chinese court, this sentence will be served in a Chinese prison.

    While in China one is subject to the same laws as is a Chinese citizen. A U.S. passport does not entitle its bearer to any special privileges. One should not expect to receive preferential treatment or to expect that the same array of legal rights accorded one under the U.S. judicial system are necessarily applicable in China.

    The Embassy or Consulate’s Role

    The U.S. Embassy/Consulate cannot get you out of jail, accept custody of you, guarantee your appearance in court, post bail for you, act as your legal adviser, or pay your legal fees.

    https://china.usembassy-china.org.cn...a-u-s-citizen/
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    LaVar Ball said, "I'm going to wait until I get more intel on what's going on" before he comments on LiAngelo Ball's arrest but said he's not worried. "He'll be fine," he said. "Everyone's making it a big deal. It ain't that big a deal."

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.e693c55ceff5
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    Quote Originally Posted by katydid23 View Post
    Stealing from a Louis Vuitton store could be a felony, if they took expensive merchandise.
    I doubt there's anything in a LV store which isn't expensive. Even the little bitty things like scarves are over £100.

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    ESPN reported the players were released on bail late Wednesday (local time). NBC News has not independently confirmed that report.

    UCLA basketball coach Steve Alford said Wednesday he will sit the three players (on Saturday) and declined to address the issue further.

    https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/l...455920553.html

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    If these young men are guilty of this, I have to say that the coaches or whoever else is on this trip bear some responsibility here. Going to China is not like going to Canada. I have recently returned from China. This is a totally different culture than what these players were used to with very different laws and expectations. This is also a country where Americans are not particularly popular right now. These players should never have been allowed to walk around without knowledgeable escorts/chaperones.


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    ESPN reported that police came to the team hotel in the city of Hangzhou early Tuesday morning to apprehend the student-athletes, who were reportedly not allowed to speak to coaches. They have reportedly been accused of stealing sunglasses from a Louis Vuitton store next to the hotel.

    LiAngelo Ball and his teammates could face as much as three to 10 years in prison if convicted of the crime. The players may also be detained for more than a month, without access to an American-style bail hearing, while local prosecutors determine whether to bring charges. The three players will not be allowed to leave their hotel in Hangzhou until the legal process is over.

    “I would say they could be in quite a bit of trouble if they have solid proof that they shoplifted,” Amnesty International’s William Nee, an expert on the Chinese court system, told Yahoo Sports. “However, part of it will depend on whether their lawyers, the university, or the U.S. consulate can advocate and negotiate on their behalf.”

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.2f1cfe94d0c2

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    Reportedly, the 3 have been released bail, but are not allowed to leave their hotel until the legal matters are resolved. The rest of the team has moved on to the next town.

    http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/08/sport/...ina/index.html

    Ball's father LaVar, who is in China, released a statement on social media naming the players.

    "Ball, Riley and Hill are being required by Hangzhou police to remain at their hotel until the legal process is over, which could take days, weeks or even months," he said. "The hope is obviously sooner rather than later."
    “Every day that they don’t find something is good for me.“ Billie Dunn

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    I just looked at LV sunglasses online. They seem to be priced from 400 to 900 American Dollars.
    “Every day that they don’t find something is good for me.“ Billie Dunn

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    It is not good to get arrested in China.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kaen View Post
    It is not good to get arrested in China.
    No. My daughter flew through Hong Kong on her way to Vietnam for a study abroad session last winter. I wasn't with her when she packed her bags, but she neglected to take out a small can of MACE from her backpack that she carries with her here in the US. When changing terminals in HK and going through security in China it was found in her bag (it wasn't detected before her flight out of the US). She said that the police were very tough, hinted at an arrest but somehow (with the help and pleading of a travelling professor) she got out of China with a warning and a write-up.

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