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    Quote Originally Posted by Flowercb View Post
    What happens if he enters a guilty plea?
    Don't know, Flowercb.

    Thank you dotr, for this link

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    So does this mean they are not going for the death penalty? Will they offer him a plea deal?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ATasteOfHoney View Post
    I donít know but one could surmise thereís video evidence the perpetrator walking from the surveillance videos on their devices indicating they should have known their Director was their son (the killer). Perhaps?
    I think it is something like this too ATOH! I also think he might be on surveillance video shooting the 4th victim. Maybe? I assume it was close range. ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SeesSeas View Post
    http://www.wtsp.com/news/local/semin...udge/497308233

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    11:12 PM. EST December 06, 2017

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    The Donaldson's attorney Ralph Fernandez said Wednesday in a separate news conference that the parents would not testify against their son.
    "The critical issue is this...Call my office if you feel delighted about ratting on your children," Fernandez said. "Does that excite anyone, that prospect? And if it does, you're not my friend."
    According to court filings, Donaldson Jr. was served a subpoena Monday, directing him to a testify before Warren. On Tuesday, he appeared at the state attorneyís office along with Fernandez, but refused to answer questions about his son and the Seminole Heights murders.
    In Florida, there is no privileged relationship between a parent and their child. Itís on a case-by-case basis. Only five states recognize that relationship as privileged.
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    ďThe critical issue is this...Call my office if you feel delighted about ratting on your children," Fernandez said. "Does that excite anyone, that prospect? And if it does, you're not my friend."

    Thatís a rather odd thing for him to say. He pretty much just said that HD's parents do, in fact, know something about these murders but refuse to "rat on" their child.
    "In law school, the concept of the jury is taught through the metaphor of a black box. Into the box, evidence and the law go. Out of the box, a verdict comes. But a black box doesnít have feelings." - THE FACT OF A BODY by Alexandria Marzano-Lesnevich
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    http://www.tampabay.com/news/courts/...ense_163372993
    Parentsí dilemma: Refuse questions in Seminole Heights murder case or risk harming sonís defense
    Updated: December 7, 2017 at 06:22 PM
    TAMPA ó Hereís the dilemma for the parents of Howell Emanuel Donaldson III:
    Hillsborough Countyís top prosecutors want to question them to learn what they may know of their sonís potential involvement in four Seminole Heights murders. But if Howell Jr. and Rosita Donaldson answer those questions, their statements could be used to help push their son toward death row.
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    Fernandez said the Donaldsons have been devastated since their sonís arrest.
    "All of a sudden, their world changed dramatically," he said. "Life ended as they knew it forever."
    They have had trouble sleeping, have thought about leaving town, and received at least one death threat, he said. Given their emotional state, Fernandez said he didnít think it was appropriate for them to give a statement.
    The lawyer said he did not yet know whether the Donaldsons would eventually answer the prosecutionís questions.
    "This is not a question of interfering with an investigation or a question of avoidance. ... Itís a question of concern for their son," he said, addressing a crowd of reporters.
    "I want each of you who have children to tell me ó what would you do if police came to tell you you had to testify against your child? So far I havenít found anybody that has taken the personal angle and said, ĎI would tell them everything to make sure my son was put to death.í"
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    I think the parents could be angling to have the death penalty taken off the table (if it is even for sure on the table - just going by what the victims' families said), but I don't think they are going about this the right way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bootsctr View Post
    I think the parents could be angling to have the death penalty taken off the table (if it is even for sure on the table - just going by what the victims' families said), but I don't think they are going about this the right way.
    Obfuscation, Bootsctr?

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    http://abcnews.go.com/US/suspected-t...ry?id=51653894

    ..."Warren promised that the Hillsborough County State Attorney's office will be "as transparent as possible every step of the way during the prosecution." The prosecutor's office has reached out to the families of the victims to inform them that the charges were filed, he said.

    "My office continues to work to prosecute this case to the fullest extent of the law," he said. "I'd like to remind everyone, please keep your thoughts and prayers for the victims and families at this time.""
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    Parents’ dilemma: Refuse questions in Seminole Heights murder case or risk harming son’s defense
    By Dan Sullivan, Tampa Bay Times

    Dec 7 17 6:22 pm


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    "Brenda Samuel, the mother of Benjamin Mitchell, who was shot to death Oct. 9, said she believes if the parents know anything, they should tell the authorities.

    "I don’t know anything about the Donaldson family," Samuel said. "They say they’re well-respected in the community, but if it was my son who was out doing wrong, I would report it no matter what."
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    Quote Originally Posted by FindHG View Post
    Obfuscation, Bootsctr?

    ~

    http://abcnews.go.com/US/suspected-t...ry?id=51653894

    ..."Warren promised that the Hillsborough County State Attorney's office will be "as transparent as possible every step of the way during the prosecution." The prosecutor's office has reached out to the families of the victims to inform them that the charges were filed, he said.

    "My office continues to work to prosecute this case to the fullest extent of the law," he said. "I'd like to remind everyone, please keep your thoughts and prayers for the victims and families at this time.""
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    Parents’ dilemma: Refuse questions in Seminole Heights murder case or risk harming son’s defense
    By Dan Sullivan, Tampa Bay Times

    Dec 7 17 6:22 pm


    ...
    "Brenda Samuel, the mother of Benjamin Mitchell, who was shot to death Oct. 9, said she believes if the parents know anything, they should tell the authorities.

    "I don’t know anything about the Donaldson family," Samuel said. "They say they’re well-respected in the community, but if it was my son who was out doing wrong, I would report it no matter what."
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    ( "ob∑fus∑ca∑tion
    ˌšbfəˈskāSH(ə)n/
    noun
    the action of making something obscure, unclear, or unintelligible.
    "when confronted with sharp questions they resort to obfuscation"

    "Obfuscation is the obscuring of the intended meaning of communication by making the message difficult to understand, usually with confusing and ambiguous language. The obfuscation might be either unintentional or intentional (although intent usually ismconnoted), and is accomplished with circumlocution (talking around the subject), the use of jargon (technical language of a profession), and the use of anargot (ingroup language) of limited communicative value to outsiders.[1]

    In expository writing, unintentional obfuscation usually occurs in draft documents, at the beginning of composition; such obfuscation is illuminated with critical thinking and editorial revision, either by the writer or by an editor. Etymologically, the word obfuscation derives from the Latin obfuscatio, from obfuscāre (to darken); synonyms include the words beclouding and abstrusity."

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obfuscation

    *This is the third time this week I've had to consult Websters because of you lol....you've got one heck of a good vocabulary, Miss Find. )
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    (Re: the reward, today I saw an episode of 20/20 which outlined Somer Thompson's case.

    Some folks had tipped off LE about a possible suspect, who turned out to be the correct suspect. But again, like the case here, these folks did not get the reward, specifically because they told the police directly, and did not call CrimeStoppers. So, apparently this is not the first time for this to happen...so how often does this happen, I wonder...

    In Somer's awful case, the people who told LE about the suspect had found very, very graphic child porn on their former roommate's computer, and the psychological damage done to the female who saw those was real...her parents said that if she had called CrimeStoppers, that reward money "would have paid for her therapy" (after seeing those images, which the detectives said NO person should every have to see, EVER).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bootsctr View Post
    My eyes were rolling as I read this article. Their actions have to be like pouring salt on an open wound to the victims' families.

    As far as not being able to function, they have 2 other children I believe and they cannot stop functioning because those children deserve to have functioning parents. They also have a business to run. Suck it up buttercups! He's not a baby. HED is a 24-year-old young man who murdered 4 people. I will save my tears for the victims' families.
    Jessica Ridgeway, beautiful little girl, murdered, raped, dismembered...thank goodness the suspect's own mother had the courage enough to do the rifht thing and call her own son to police, as difficult as that muse have bee . This unselfish bravery and character of this woman speaks volumes.

    Then you have the others, like Donthe Lucas' family, who imo have done nothing positive to help bring Kelsie's and her unborn son's bodies back home, but rather protect their own son, jmo.

    Eta: *the above 2 cases mentioned are very different from the one at hand, of course, just jumping off your post bootsctr, as "I hear ya".

    Thanks everyone for the updates; I finally have some time to get caught up here.
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    FL - Manhunt in Tampa after 4 slayings in 5 weeks, Oct-Nov 2017 #3 *Arrest*

    Quote Originally Posted by margarita25 View Post
    (Re: the reward, today I saw an episode of 20/20 which outlined Somer Thompson's case.

    Some folks had tipped off LE about a possible suspect, who turned out to be the correct suspect. But again, like the case here, these folks did not get the reward, specifically because they told the police directly, and did not call CrimeStoppers. So, apparently this is not the first time for this to happen...so how often does this happen, I wonder...

    In Somer's awful case, the people who told LE about the suspect had found very, very graphic child porn on their former roommate's computer, and the psychological damage done to the female who saw those was real...her parents said that if she had called CrimeStoppers, that reward money "would have paid for her therapy" (after seeing those images, which the detectives said NO person should every have to see, EVER).
    I've seen other cases where Crimestoppers (or the person who was relaying the information to the public about the Crimestoppers reward being offered) has stressed that you must contact THEM with tips, rather than the police, to be eligible for the reward money. I truly don't see what the h-e-double-hockeysticks difference it makes one way or the other. As long as the suspect is apprehended, it shouldn't matter. It seems like a ridiculous technicality meant to serve as a loophole in order to keep the reward money, if you ask me.

    It's like gotcha! You just risked your life but you don't get the reward because you didn't also do A, B, & C - in that order. Sorry! Better luck next time!


    PS. How weird would it have been if that McDonald's employee had said...
    "there's a cop sitting at one of our tables... but I'm just going to call Crimestoppers about this here glock that my coworker just handed me hidden away in a fast food bag. Did I also mention that he looks just like that serial killer they've shown on TV?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by cujenn81 View Post
    ďThe critical issue is this...Call my office if you feel delighted about ratting on your children," Fernandez said. "Does that excite anyone, that prospect? And if it does, you're not my friend."

    Thatís a rather odd thing for him to say. He pretty much just said that HD's parents do, in fact, know something about these murders but refuse to "rat on" their child.
    If the murders were committed by someone with a serious mental health problem, the DP probably would be taken off the table, imo.perhaps unlike a clear-thinking murderer.imo.

    If those things are true, might that suggest that the parents never saw anything wrong with, or changes in HED at all?
    Or, had been" normal " but had been increasingly voicing his displeasure at someone or thing?
    Maybe they need to mine for " crazy " fast.
    imo, speculation.

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    It does seem like an odd choice of words for the attorney to say " ratting on your child". This would lead us to believe
    the parents are aware of his guilt and were aware of his involvement.
    So this gives them 30 days or so to devise a storyline to help their son, not that it would necessarily be the honest truth.
    Or they continue to refuse to answer the questioning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bootsctr View Post
    I think the parents could be angling to have the death penalty taken off the table (if it is even for sure on the table - just going by what the victims' families said), but I don't think they are going about this the right way.
    I agree that they are just going about it the totally wrong way. They should not be disobeying court rules if the rules are really rules about them having to participate.

    This is surely not the first time this sort of thing has occurred where a mother or father have been asked questions. The Casey Anthony case is a good example where they had both parents on the stand.

    I consider this a hostile witness situation. We have seen that before in the Jodias Arias case. What happened there is the hostile witness has "selective memory". LOL

    Answering questions with answers like
    "I dont know"
    "I cant remember"
    "Im not sure"
    "Not that I know of"

    That is typically how I have seen hostile witnesses behave and its just a reality of what can happen in a case. Its up to the prosecution to get evidence elsewhere and not rely on the hostile witness.

    So I am wondering why prosecution is even pursuing this.

    We probably need some legal eagles to chime in to help us. It is an interesting situation.

    One thing I am pretty sure of is the parents are not going about it the right way and they are making enemies of the public and it may hurt their business. There are other ways they should be handling this.

    Their son did the crime and they should not let his actions take them down with him and maybe even lose their business over it if the public turns on them and boycott their business.

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