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  1. #1
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    NY - New York, Wht/HispMale UP16788, 18-25, living in Canada, Aug'69

    Who was Walker County Jane Doe?




    John Doe - February 9, 1968 - Facebook Page, Websleuths Thread
    John Doe - October 31, 1967 - Facebook Page, Websleuths Thread

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    On the colored photo, he looks like 60-70yo. Since the colored photo is current, I would say that estimated age seems accurate.
    All quotes in quotation marks are from NamUS unless otherwise specified. Since the link is in the first post, adding it would be needlessly redundant.

    Now, the elements we have are :
    - assumed ID : "Selective Services Registration Card dated June 24, 1969 in identity of one Alex Pitney, "
    - circumstances say that : "when the U.S. Immigration at Champlain, New York State refused him re-entry because he was unable to convince him he was born and raised in New York City. He claims he was born at home with birth never registered with the state. "
    - They know that he was documented living in New York City between 1960 and 1969.
    - Currently living in Toronto, Ontario, Canada

    Now, I live in Europe and God only knows things were already different back then. So, forgive my dumb questions.
    1) He had a SS card and his Selective Service card with his name. How didn't they manage to find his identity since then ? If he was registered for Selective Service and had already a Security Card with his identity ? I am gobsmacked at these official cards while official services have been unable to find his identity since then ?? How couldn't they have fingerprints ?
    2) Why wouldn't his birth never registered ? I thought that even babies born at home had to be registered !! Or something in my understanding gets missing...
    3) Could he had been fleeing from drafting ? If my knowledge is correct, it was the Vietnam war era (1955-1975) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_War (yeah I know, Wikipedia). For me, the timing and his Selective Service card adds up with hypothesis of avoiding draft but to take with a grain of salt
    4) Could he had a missing file with grossly inaccurate height and weight data because of family guesstimating ? Like 10in & 20lbs difference. Or family tried to file a missing person report but LE refused.
    5) Could he had been a gay man facing ostracization ?
    6) Stolen identity ? I am on the fence on this one.

    In my opinion, his stated ID seems accurate or very close to because of the SS and Selective Service cards. Except if ID was stolen, but the fact that he stated that he was not registered at birth because of home birth makes me doubtful about a stolen identity. Nothing definite yet, but still not entirely convinced about a stolen ID.

    However, the biggest question mark is that how come no official agency managed to check his identity in such a long time with two official documents ? IMO, it raises a serious doubt about record keeping.
    IM strong O, the shady record keeping is the likeliest cause for not finding his true ID. It makes me seriously question official agencies' job and trustworthiness in solving this specific case.
    I am NOT anti-administration generally speaking. But being unable to find a living man's true ID in NYC since 1969 with 2 official documents raises serious questions about officers' job on this specific case.

    But whatever the reason, I am gobsmacked at such long time living UID carrying two official American documents and no official agency has been able to find this man's true ID since 1969.Not as if they didn't have anything to start with ! Now, what did they do with their archive ??
    It's very worriesome actually !!
    Last edited by Giucy; 12-08-2017 at 10:01 AM.

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    Looking at current photo, something in his expression does make me think about Sephardi Jewish men.
    Skin tone, color hair & eyes are similar to men of Central and South America, but something in his eyes expression and demeanor question the Hispanic one IM strong O.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sephar...n_and_Portugal

    My hypothesis is that he has Sepharadi Jewish roots of European origin.

    His estimated age on NamUs makes his estimated birth year between 1944 and 1951.
    This timeline seems consistent with the hypothesis of parents fleeing racial laws during the WWII, then giving birth to the gentleman a few years later.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jews_in_New_York_City

    A good bet is searching at Jewish institutions : maybe they know something.

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