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    Even though I'm all about some *southern hospitality*, I find it somewhat odd that the Ramseys stayed with the Stines for such a length of time, or even at all for that matter.

    Either:
    A.John misled during his depos and the Rs/Stines were very good friends; or,

    B.they were really not that close friends before the murder and the Rs moved in with them, making the situation more strange.

    The Rs were wealthy people and could have afforded to do most anything in regards to living arrangements. Don Paugh had an apartment in Boulder and he was family. Seems that the Rs would have bunked up there, or rented another place, with friends coming in/out to check on them, bring meals, etc...

    Any thoughts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nehemiah
    Even though I'm all about some *southern hospitality*, I find it somewhat odd that the Ramseys stayed with the Stines for such a length of time, or even at all for that matter.

    Either:
    A.John misled during his depos and the Rs/Stines were very good friends; or,

    B.they were really not that close friends before the murder and the Rs moved in with them, making the situation more strange.

    The Rs were wealthy people and could have afforded to do most anything in regards to living arrangements. Don Paugh had an apartment in Boulder and he was family. Seems that the Rs would have bunked up there, or rented another place, with friends coming in/out to check on them, bring meals, etc...

    Any thoughts?

    Nehemiah,

    I'm convinced the Ramseys and the Stines were close friends both before and after the murder. John's denial of the friendship during a sworn deposition was revealing because it was obviously blatantly false.

    For example, before the killing the Ramseys and the Stines were together in New York during the weekend while JonBenet rode in a Boulder parade on December 6, 1996. And after the killing the Ramseys and the Paughs moved into the cramped single family Boulder home of the Stines and stayed for five months before moving to Atlanta. And the Stines were one of only three stops the Ramseys planned to make on Christmas night to drop off gifts to friends while returning from the White's dinner party.

    When someone is blatantly lying it's a signal to look in the opposite direction of what they are saying to uncover the truth. IOW, the Ramseys are obviously VERY good friends of the Stines, but publicly they want to distant themselves from them. So why are they doing this? Was a Stine family member somehow involved in the killing of JonBenet and therefore they want to keep a low profile on the relationship?

    BlueCrab

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    But, by moving in with them, they are not distancing themselves. They are very much calling attention to the fact that are/were together.

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    Well either the truth is being told, and their stay was simply a matter of convenience.

    Or as BlueCrab suggests a Stine family member is involved!


    Else a more secretive friendship endured possibly embracing a liberal lifestyle, which after JonBenet's death, entailed denial of any close friendship?

    We also know not only about ST socializing with the Ramsey's, but with her determination to act as their invisible press agent by proxy.

    So IMO the most charitable interpretation is that the Stines were good friends who stuck by the Ramseys, but this contradicts what JR stated!

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    Don't forget Judith Phillips also stated the Ramseys and Stines weren't close friends.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tipper
    Don't forget Judith Phillips also stated the Ramseys and Stines weren't close friends.
    Yes, and I think she would know as she was *friends* with both. That makes the situation of staying with the Stines even more perplexing and odd.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nehemiah
    Yes, and I think she would know as she was *friends* with both. That makes the situation of staying with the Stines even more perplexing and odd.
    Not really. I think Susan Stine saw this as her chance to get close to Patsy. I'll bet she was the one who brought it up.

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    Okay, this is a super dumb question but why did JR deny his

    friendship with them if everyone knew they stayed with them??

    What was his motive for lying about their friendship. I don't know

    much about the stines.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tipper
    Not really. I think Susan Stine saw this as her chance to get close to Patsy. I'll bet she was the one who brought it up.
    Well, I don't doubt that but, still...it is very odd that they would bunk up with people who are not close friends and stay with them an extended period of time. There has to be more to the situation. Like I said, Grandpa had an apartment in Boulder. They could have afforded to stay anywhere in Boulder, so to go to someone's home and live for months...very strange.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nehemiah
    Well, I don't doubt that but, still...it is very odd that they would bunk up with people who are not close friends and stay with them an extended period of time. There has to be more to the situation. Like I said, Grandpa had an apartment in Boulder. They could have afforded to stay anywhere in Boulder, so to go to someone's home and live for months...very strange.

    Nehemiah,

    Possibly not so strange, if you have an agenda to fulfill and make sure any chronology, e.g. prior night time visits, are synchronized, along with any loose ends that need tidied up, are all attended to!


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    I remember reading that interview,and was more than willing to accept Johns'explanation of not being "close" friends with the Stines,until after the murder.

    Until,I kept reading, and noticed how the LE loosened his interpretation of "close friends",to (paraphrasing),people you invite over for dinner,etc.,John mentioned every one he possibly could,but stayed away from the Stine's.It was at this point,IMO,that it dawned on the LE that John was purposely leaving out the Stine's,and John at this point,knew the LE was trying their damnest to have John mention the Stine's as friends. Not close friends,but at the very least friends.John wouldn't budge.

    It was a cat and mouse game.Until the LE had to come right out and name the Stine's.This was when John proclaimed they were not "close friends" with the Stine's until after the murder,still not commiting to the fact,that the Stine's,were maybe not close friends,but indeed friends,before the murder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nehemiah
    Well, I don't doubt that but, still...it is very odd that they would bunk up with people who are not close friends and stay with them an extended period of time. There has to be more to the situation. Like I said, Grandpa had an apartment in Boulder. They could have afforded to stay anywhere in Boulder, so to go to someone's home and live for months...very strange.
    I don't think the apartment was very big. Can't remember where I read that, maybe one of Patsy's interviews. I expect it was also healthier for Burke to stay where he had a friend to play with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by capps
    I remember reading that interview,and was more than willing to accept Johns'explanation of not being "close" friends with the Stines,until after the murder.

    Until,I kept reading, and noticed how the LE loosened his interpretation of "close friends",to (paraphrasing),people you invite over for dinner,etc.,John mentioned every one he possibly could,but stayed away from the Stine's.It was at this point,IMO,that it dawned on the LE that John was purposely leaving out the Stine's,and John at this point,knew the LE was trying their damnest to have John mention the Stine's as friends. Not close friends,but at the very least friends.John wouldn't budge.

    It was a cat and mouse game.Until the LE had to come right out and name the Stine's.This was when John proclaimed they were not "close friends" with the Stine's until after the murder,still not commiting to the fact,that the Stine's,were maybe not close friends,but indeed friends,before the murder.
    I can't remember, what did they ask Patsy about the Stines?

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    Even more strange to me, is why the Ramseys would stay with anyone there in boulder if they could possibly be putting some other family with children into danger from either a revenge seeking insider, a foreign faction, or some sadistic serial killer. There is no way I would put my children into that type of danger for some friend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ellen13
    Okay, this is a super dumb question but why did JR deny his

    friendship with them if everyone knew they stayed with them??

    What was his motive for lying about their friendship. I don't know

    much about the stines.
    http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28215&page=1&pp=25&highlight=fern ies+close+friends

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