NY NY - Monticello, WhtMale 30-45, 132UMNY, 'Puerto Rico' TShirt, duffel bag, rum, flashlight, Mar'97

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Unidentified White Male

* Located on March 22, 1997 in Monticello, Sullivan County, New York.
* Estimated Date of Death: Late 1996
* Skeletal Remains
* Suicide by shotgun to the head

Vital Statistics

* Estimated age: 36 - 40 years old
* Approximate Height and Weight: 5'6" - 5'9"
* Distinguishing Characteristics: Dark hair. Muscular enough build to be a weightlifter or laborer. He had a chronic respiratory infection and arthritis.
* Dentals: Available; several cavities.
* Clothing: He was wearing black Levi 550 jeans, a blue hooded pullover sweatshirt, and a black Hanes t-shirt with the words Puerto Rico, white palm trees, green and yellow iron-on type design, and black Reebok sneakers, size 8.
* Belongings: Yellow plastic flashlight and a bottle of rum in a black duffle bag.

Case History
Sometime around late 1996, the man packed a yellow plastic flashlight and a bottle of rum in a black duffle bag, and headed a few hundred feet off Harvey Road, near the Colonial Hill apartment complex. Then he sat down with his back against a tree, put a pistol to his left eye and pulled the trigger.
By the time a logger stumbled upon the decomposed remains on March 22, 1997, the man had already been dead at least one winter, maybe longer.

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John Doe on left, Robert on right.

Robert Allen Dale, Jr.
Missing since May 18, 1996 from Sault Sainte Marie, Chippewa County, Michigan
Classification: Missing

Vital Statistics

* Date Of Birth: November 3, 1962
* Age at Time of Disappearance: 33 years old
* Height and Weight at Time of Disappearance: 5'7"; 165 lbs.
* Distinguishing Characteristics: White male. Dark brown to black hair, worn in a neat short cut; also wore a moustache; brown eyes.
* Clothing: Last seen wearing a bright yellow polo shirt, black dress slacks, and a deck-style shoes with a possible lug-style sole.
* Other: At the time of his disappearance, he was working as a carpenter.
* Dentals: Available
* Fingerprints: Available

Circumstances of Disappearance
Dale was last seen in downtown Sault Ste. Marie between 11:30 p.m. and midnight on May 18, 1996.
He had attended a social gathering earlier that evening, which ended with friends at a local bar called the Downtowner. He left the establishment on foot, and was last seen walking westward on a paved road known as Moloney's Alley.
He has not been seen or heard from since.
A missing person report was officially filed at 4:44 a.m. Monday, May 20, 1996, with the Sault Police Department. An intense search including local law enforcement, the auxiliary police and other volunteers was conducted in the City of Sault Ste. Marie including the Ashmun Bay area. It eventually mushroomed throughout Chippewa County but in the hours, days, weeks and now, years, that followed, no new information has been shed on the mysterious disappearance.
The missing person case currently sits in the desk of Det. Mike Langendorf of the Sault Police Department who admits there isn't much he can do without a good solid lead. At this stage, he believes there are two distinct possibilities -- either Dale intentionally disappeared of his own volition, or somebody did something to him and they aren't talking.
Langendorf refused to speculate as to which situation was more likely.
"He didn't have a lot of money, he wasn't in a vehicle and he didn't have any credit cards," said Langendorf, adding, "There are no cab records. No one ever came in and said they picked up a hitchhiker fitting that description and took him to Kinross. There's nothing like that. On the other hand, there's absolutely no evidence of foul play."
Dale left behind a wife and three children.

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Possible match?:
1. There is a strong resemblence between the reconstruction of John Doe and the photo of Robert.
2. John Doe is estimated to be 36-40, Robert was 33 when he went missing.
3. John Doe is estimated to be 5'6"-5'9". Robert is listed as 5'7".
4. Both have dark hair and Robert was a Carpenter which would match the "laborer" possibility of John Doe.
5. Monticello, NY where John Doe was found is about 16 hours away from Sault Sainte Marie, MI.
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&hl=en&saddr=Sault+Sainte+Marie,+michigan&daddr=monticello,+new+york

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Robert on left and right, John Doe Center


Robert William Commu
Missing since March 31, 1996 from South Dumfries Township, Ontario, Canada.
Classification: Missing

Vital Statistics

* Date Of Birth: August 21, 1966
* Age at Time of Disappearance: 30 years old
* Height and Weight at Time of Disappearance: 183 cm (6'0"); 83 kg (180 Ibs.)
* Distinguishing Characteristics: White male. Brown, shoulder length hair; blue eyes. Medium build.
* Tattoos: Tattoo of lion with wings on right upper arm.
* Clothing: Last seen wearing white leather jacket with black sleeves. Red maple leaf on the back of the jacket.

Circumstances of Disappearance
Commu was last seen at his residence, 272 West River Road, South Dumfries Township, Ontario on March 31, 1996.
At 7:00 p.m. on this date, a neighbour went to the residence and found the front door open and his compact disc player repeatedly playing the same song. The investigation has revealed that Commu had been despondent over a failed relationship and an illness in the family.
Commu has not contacted any family members or friends since his disappearance

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Possible match?:
1. There is a strong resemblence between the reconstruction of John Doe and the photo of Robert.
2. John Doe is estimated to be 36-40, Robert was 30 when he went missing.
3. John Doe is estimated to be 5'6"-5'9". Robert is listed as 6'.
4. Both have dark hair.
5. Monticello, NY where John Doe was found is about 8 hours away from South Dumfries Township, Ontario http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&hl=en&saddr=ayr,+ontario&daddr=monticello,+new+york

**I'm not really convinced this is John Doe, but since a lot of the information is a close (but not exact) match, and the photos show a strong resemblence I thought I should post this.

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Bruce on left and right, John Doe center

Bruce Berthelot
Missing since August 1996 from Leamington, Ontario, Canada
Classification: Endangered Missing

Vital Statistics

* Date Of Birth: September 23, 1961
* Age at Time of Disappearance: 34 years old
* Height and Weight at Time of Disappearance: 5'10; 175 lbs.
* Distinguishing Characteristics: White male. Dark brown, wavy hair; brown eyes. Handsome face with prominent cheek bones.
* Marks, Scars: Club foot rectified as a child.
* Clothing: Wears jeans, t-shirts. Likes green hunting jackets.
* Dentals: Available. Often has trouble with his teeth.
* Fingerprints: Available.
* Medical: Suffers from manic depression.

Circumstances of Disappearance
Berthelot was last seen at his parents' home in Leamington, Canada in August 1996. After months of unemployment and depression, Bruce indicated that he was going away for a little while and asked his mother for $1000. He was offered a truck but refused.
Bruce is a skilled carpenter, and enjoys fishing and boating. He smoked cigarettes and drank beer to excess at the time of his disappearance. He was also a bartender at one time.
Bruce once lived in Manitoba, so the family attempted to locate him by contacting fishing lodges in the northern part of the province. Those earlier attempts were unsuccessful. Tips have come in that say he was spotted in Winnipeg, but the search there has been to no avail.
He has had no contact with any member of family or any relatives or friends since leaving in 1996.

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Possible match?:
1. There is a resemblence between the reconstruction of John Doe and the photo of Bruce.
2. John Doe is estimated to be 36-40, Bruce was 34 when he went missing.
3. John Doe is estimated to be 5'6"-5'9". Bruce is listed as 5'10".
4. Both have dark hair and Bruce was a Carpenter which would match the "laborer" possibility of John Doe.
5. Monticello, NY where John Doe was found is about 12 hours away from Leamington, Ontario http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&hl=en&saddr=Leamington,+Ontario&daddr=monticello,+new+york
6. John Doe had cavities and Bruce often had trouble with his teeth.
7. Bruce asked his mother for $1000 and said he had to go away for a while...

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John Doe on left, Jose on right

Jose Moreno Caballero
Missing since March 7, 1996 from Dumas, Moore County, Texas
Classification: Endangered Missing

Vital Statistics

* Age at Time of Disappearance: 36 years old
* Height and Weight at Time of Disappearance: 5'8"; 150 lbs.
* Distinguishing Characteristics: White/Hispanic male. Black hair; brown eyes. Caballero always wears non-prescription sunglasses.
* Clothing: Red sweater, tan jacket and blue jeans.

Circumstances of Disappearance
Caballero was last seen in Dumas, Texas on March 7, 1996.
A family member dropped him off at a bus station enroute to El Paso, Texas to be reunited with family members. He seemed nervous about the reunification.

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Possible match?:
1. There is a resemblence between the reconstruction of John Doe and the photo of Jose.
2. John Doe is estimated to be 36-40, Jose was 36 when he went missing.
3. John Doe is estimated to be 5'6"-5'9". Jose was 5'8".
4. Both have dark hair. Jose is listed as 150lb but it doesn't say if that was muscle.
5. Jose always wore sunglasses - but there was no sunglasses mentioned among the belongings.
5. Jose was last seen at a bus station in Texas. Could he have changed his mind and bought a bus ticket for as far north as possible?

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John Doe on left, Mitchell on right

Mitchell Hamilton
Missing since January 2, 1996 from Kansas City, Missouri
Classification: Endangered Missing

Vital Statistics

* Date Of Birth: February 22, 1958
* Age at Time of Disappearance: 37 years old
* Height and Weight at Time of Disappearance: 5'8"; 200 lbs.
* Distinguishing Characteristics: White Male. Brown hair; green eyes. Heavy build.
* Clothing: Red "Chiefs" jacket, blue jeans.
* Dentals: Wears partial dentures

Circumstances of Disappearance
Hamilton was last seen leaving his residence in the vicinity of Gladstone Boulevard and St. John Avenue in Kansas City, Missouri on January 2, 1996.
He left home without explanation and was never heard from again. His possible destination is Florida or Minnesota.

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Possible match?:
1. There is a resemblence between the reconstruction of John Doe and the photo of Mitchell.
2. John Doe is estimated to be 36-40, Mitchell was 37 when he went missing.
3. John Doe is estimated to be 5'6"-5'9". Mitchell was 5'8".
4. Both have dark hair (Mitchell hair looks lighter in the photo). Mitchell is listed as 200 lbs but it doesn't say if that was muscle.
5. Mitchell was thought to have possible travelled to Florida, or Minnesota - could he have gone to NY instead?

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John Doe on left, Johnny on right

Johnny Robert Doyle
Missing since July 19, 1996 from Los Angeles, Los Angeles County, California
Classification: Endangered Missing

Vital Statistics

* Date Of Birth: March 31, 1962
* Age at Time of Disappearance: 33 years old
* Height and Weight at Time of Disappearance: 5'9"; 165 lbs.
* Distinguishing Characteristics: White male. Brown hair; brown eyes.
* Medical: Doyle is a reported narcotics user.

Circumstances of Disappearance
Doyle was last seen in the Los Angeles, California area July 19, 1996.
It has been reported that Mr. Doyle has been known to frequent the San Fernando Valley area.

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[/size][/font]Possible match?:
1. There is a resemblence between the reconstruction of John Doe and the photo of Johnny.
2. John Doe is estimated to be 36-40, Johnny was 33 when he went missing.
3. John Doe is estimated to be 5'6"-5'9". Johnny was 5'9".
4. Both have dark hair. Johnny is listed as 165 lbs but it doesn't say if that was muscle.
5. Johnny is from California, and thought to be in the California area. What if he visited NY for a job or for drugs (he is thought to be a narcotics user).

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John Doe on left, Ronnie on right


Ronnie A. Bolin
Missing since July 10, 1996 from Jefferson County, Missouri
Classification: Endangered Missing

Vital Statistics

* Date Of Birth: December 28, 1962
* Age at Time of Disappearance: 33 years old
* Height and Weight at Time of Disappearance: 5'7"; 300 lbs.
* Distinguishing Characteristics: White male. Brown hair; green eyes.

Circumstances of Disappearance
Bolin was last seen in Jefferson County, Missouri on July 10, 1996.
His vehicle was found abandoned in North St. Louis, Missouri. The keys were in the car and the drivers door was left standing open. Bolin is a former minister of the Church of God.

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[/font][/size]Possible match?:
1. There is a strong resemblence between the reconstruction of John Doe and the photo of Ronnie.
2. John Doe is estimated to be 36-40, Ronnie was 33 when he went missing.
3. John Doe is estimated to be 5'6"-5'9". Ronny was 5'7".
4. Both have dark hair. Ronnie is listed as 300 lbs but it doesn't say if that was muscle.
5. Ronnie disappeared from Missouri - about 18 hours away from where John Doe was found. Could he have went to NY to see someone?

These are my choices from the records available on the Doe Network, for people missing in 1996.

It is possible John Doe was reported missing before 1996, or that he was reported missing but the case has not been made public.

Of course its also possible that he was not reported missing at all.....

I have emailed the Investigator on John Doe's case (email address from Doe Network page) to invite him to have a look at this thread.

I received a very nice email saying the information on this thread has been checked and ruled out.

Good to know...

Fresh link:
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/132umny.html

Okay, was it a shotgun, or was it a pistol? The descriptions contradict.

One would think that LE would be able to trace the gun, unless it was stolen or bought years prior from a private citizen who didn't keep the records of the sale.

Nevertheless, here is a guy who was suicidal, and left home with a pistol in his possession.

Suroush Saket-Oskoui

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/s/saket-oskoui_suroush.html

His height and age are also within range. The timeframe is spot-on, and Montgomery MD is about 300 miles from Monticello NY.

Looks very close, Carl.

Very close! Great find Carlk.

CarlK90245 said:

One would think that LE would be able to trace the gun, unless it was stolen or bought years prior from a private citizen who didn't keep the records of the sale.

Nevertheless, here is a guy who was suicidal, and left home with a pistol in his possession.

Suroush Saket-Oskoui

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/s/saket-oskoui_suroush.html

His height and age are also within range. The timeframe is spot-on, and Montgomery MD is about 300 miles from Monticello NY.

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I just got done speaking with Investigator Rick Sauer of the New York State Police. This is no longer his case, but since he was the person most familiar with the case, he was the person who called me back.

I was a little surprised that he had not heard of DoeNetwork or Charley Project, since his name is listed as the contact in DoeNet. But he sounded interested in the idea that there are private citizen researchers out there working on these cases. He says that a few years ago, he received an inquiry on this case from a PCR who was a criminal justice student (perhaps it was PonderingThings) with a lead that didn't pan-out.

But from his tone of voice, he seemed interested in the info, and said that he would dig up the case file and look into it. He also said that he would call me back when he finds out whether or not this lead pans-out.

I just got a call back from the detective assigned to this case. He was just handed the case file along with my tip, and was calling me to see if I had any additional info on Suroush Saket-Oskoui other than the Charley Project page. He was thinking that I was from another LE agency, and was making sure that Montgomery County Police was the correct contact. I explained that I called as a private citizen researcher and was not from any LE agency, and the Charley page was all I had on Oskoui.

But he commented that this looked like a very good possible, and he will get right on the phone with Montgomery County MD Police to check into it. He says that he will call me when he finds out anything more.

The detective on this case just left a message on my voicemail that Suroush Saket-Oskoui was not a match to this John Doe.

CarlK90245 said:

The detective on this case just left a message on my voicemail that Suroush Saket-Oskoui was not a match to this John Doe.

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at least he got back to you! I wish more were that attentive.

this UID is not in Namus. given the criteria we have, I thought this guy was as good a potential match as any, although his face and the drawing of the UID are not a great lookalike.

Carlos Diaz, missing from the Bronx in Dec 1986, was 32 y.o. and 5'8". hard to tell from the rather shady pic of Carlos what his build was like as the UID was described as muscular.

https://www.findthemissing.org/cases/59/0/

the timing is right, location just a few counties away, Carlos could well have been Puerto Rican and the UID had a Puerto Rico shirt.

Charley Project has more pics:

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/d/diaz_carlos.html

looks like he could have been suicidal, although not expressly stated at Charley.