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    Scientists Warn of Melting Ice in Arctic DISCUSSION of thread movement..

    Scientists Warn of Melting Ice in Arctic

    ANCHORAGE, Alaska - Scientists on Monday painted a gloomy picture of the effects of global warming on the Arctic, warning of melting ocean ice, rising oceans, thawed permafrost and forests susceptible to bugs and fire. "A lot of the stories you read make it sound like there's uncertainty," said Jonathan Overpeck, a professor of geosciences at the University of Arizona. "There's not uncertainty."

    The questions scientists continue to address, he said after his presentation at the Alaska Forum on the Environment, are how much of the warming is caused by humans and how drastic long-term effects will be. Deborah Williams, a conference organizer and former director of the Alaska Conservation Foundation, said Alaska is Ground Zero for observing the effects of global warming because so many natural phenomena are tied to ice and the repercussions of it melting.

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    This kind of stuff scares me. All i need to do now is watch "The day after tomorrow" and i will really be scared....

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    This is all geo-scientific poppycock!

    The environment in this world is extraordinarily dynamic...it cleans itself. Yes, in areas of high concentration we can create smog, etc. and make the air unhealthy. Those things should be managed and fixed.

    However, we are in a period of increased heat being thrown out by the SUN. The sun is hotter, we are hotter. It is a long term trend that will probably reverse itself in a few years and then the global warming freaks will say that we had so much warming that now it is causing global cooling. Am I to believe that we humans (okay, let's be specific AMERICANS....not one of these damned scientists seem to care about CHINA the most polluting nation in the history of the globe) caused so much global warming that we are causing the sun to be hotter? Not that more heat is being kept by the Earth's atmosphere by particulates, etc. but that we actually altered the SUN. A star so hot that nothing we could possibly ever create could remotely come close to approaching its viscinity without being burnt up? NOPE. Find a global warming nut and ask them...."what then, say you, about the fact that in recent years the Sun has become HOTTER?". Their blank stare and blabbering will tell you volumes about them and their "THEORIES". Gee, the sun is spitting out a lot more heat and the Earth gets warmer.....damn it must be those damned Americans again. Holy cow, they are altering the course of the Earth and man while feeding the entire planet and taking care of the globe.

    If the Sun's solar radiation emitted was stable or declining (aka the heat from the sun) and the Earth's temperature was still going up...I might buy into this global warming garbage. But folks, it is a FRAUD. It doesn't exist.

    If you drill 200 feet into the polar caps, you will see layers of ice much like tree rings that go back for eons. There are thick layers indicating that some years were hotter than others and some thick indicating colder years.

    The truth about global warming is that it is a FAKE scientific theory meant solely and completely to weaken America through restrictive environmental restrictions and excessive costs. There are those who want a world tax on America to pay for global warming reparations. Again, not once do you hear about CHINA when muttering Global warming. It's those damned Americans I tell you. I wonder how many people have gone to their graves with their last world being "those damned Americans".....well, lately a lot of Al qaeda terrorists!

    Cal
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    Quote Originally Posted by calus_3
    This is all geo-scientific poppycock!

    The environment in this world is extraordinarily dynamic...it cleans itself. Yes, in areas of high concentration we can create smog, etc. and make the air unhealthy. Those things should be managed and fixed.

    However, we are in a period of increased heat being thrown out by the SUN. The sun is hotter, we are hotter. It is a long term trend that will probably reverse itself in a few years and then the global warming freaks will say that we had so much warming that now it is causing global cooling. Am I to believe that we humans (okay, let's be specific AMERICANS....not one of these damned scientists seem to care about CHINA the most polluting nation in the history of the globe) caused so much global warming that we are causing the sun to be hotter? Not that more heat is being kept by the Earth's atmosphere by particulates, etc. but that we actually altered the SUN. A star so hot that nothing we could possibly ever create could remotely come close to approaching its viscinity without being burnt up? NOPE. Find a global warming nut and ask them...."what then, say you, about the fact that in recent years the Sun has become HOTTER?". Their blank stare and blabbering will tell you volumes about them and their "THEORIES". Gee, the sun is spitting out a lot more heat and the Earth gets warmer.....damn it must be those damned Americans again. Holy cow, they are altering the course of the Earth and man while feeding the entire planet and taking care of the globe.

    If the Sun's solar radiation emitted was stable or declining (aka the heat from the sun) and the Earth's temperature was still going up...I might buy into this global warming garbage. But folks, it is a FRAUD. It doesn't exist.

    If you drill 200 feet into the polar caps, you will see layers of ice much like tree rings that go back for eons. There are thick layers indicating that some years were hotter than others and some thick indicating colder years.

    The truth about global warming is that it is a FAKE scientific theory meant solely and completely to weaken America through restrictive environmental restrictions and excessive costs. There are those who want a world tax on America to pay for global warming reparations. Again, not once do you hear about CHINA when muttering Global warming. It's those damned Americans I tell you. I wonder how many people have gone to their graves with their last world being "those damned Americans".....well, lately a lot of Al qaeda terrorists!

    Cal
    Hi Cal and great post.

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    I said I was going to stop this week and actually work....but everytime I try to stop, they DRAG me back in.

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    politics vs climate reality

    Would that the rise and fall of George C. Deutsch, 24, a NASA political appointee, could become a metaphor - one taken all the way to its logical conclusion - for the Bush administration's policies on global warming. Deutsch has for months embodied the White House's earth-is-flat take on why the earth is warming, with consequences from melting glaciers to freak weather.

    Working in NASA's public relations, he tried to muzzle a renowned climate scientist who - like serious scientists the world over - warns that global warming is a threat requiring government intervention to curb emissions from cars, factories and more.


    ...good read, imo....

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/usatoday/200...A2BHNlYwM3NDI-

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    Quote Originally Posted by close_enough
    Would that the rise and fall of George C. Deutsch, 24, a NASA political appointee, could become a metaphor - one taken all the way to its logical conclusion - for the Bush administration's policies on global warming. Deutsch has for months embodied the White House's earth-is-flat take on why the earth is warming, with consequences from melting glaciers to freak weather.

    Working in NASA's public relations, he tried to muzzle a renowned climate scientist who - like serious scientists the world over - warns that global warming is a threat requiring government intervention to curb emissions from cars, factories and more.


    ...good read, imo....

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/usatoday/200...A2BHNlYwM3NDI-

    Close,

    Unlike many spouting off about this topic, I have read many articles on the topic. I don't deny the fact of global warming and that the Earth is experiencing warmer seasons over the past few years.

    What I am arguing is the cause.

    We get 100% of our Earth's heat from the SUN, Faith Hill, Shania Twain, Tea Leoni and Gwen Stefani. Now these young ladies' careers have been continuously and predictably increases such that their influence can be backed out of the equation. That leaves the SUN. The SUN has been throwing out significantly more heat over the past few years. When the sun throws out more heat, the Earth is warmer.

    Until someone can take a 200 foot ice core sample from the poles and explain to me why there are layers of ice representing different years and those are generally thicker for a few years and then thinner for a few years, I am not buying this global warming nonsense.

    We live in a cyclical world.....how else could you explain bell bottoms TWICE? There are ups and downs in tides, there are seasons, there are periods of increased and decreased storm activities. There are periods of relative warming and cooling as well.

    Cal

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    it's hard for me to understand how you can dismiss global warming/it's causes as "nonsense/poppycock", but i'm not all that surprised anymore, actually....

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    Ouch, that hurts.....

    I don't see how you can fail to find your butt with both hands! Explain to me how you expect the Earth to remain a constant temperature or decrease temperature when our sole source of heat and warmth has been experiencing intensified heat.

    You guys are right on about the warming, but a stone wrong about the cause.

    Cal

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    Quote Originally Posted by calus_3
    Ouch, that hurts.....

    I don't see how you can fail to find your butt with both hands! Explain to me how you expect the Earth to remain a constant temperature or decrease temperature when our sole source of heat and warmth has been experiencing intensified heat.

    You guys are right on about the warming, but a stone wrong about the cause.

    Cal
    look, i'm no scientist, but IMO many, if not all, scientists have clearly determined the cause....you're so funny


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    60 minutes had a great segment on "Global Warming" this evening.

    Stranger than fiction, did anyone know that the Bush administration funds a very high priced on-going study on global warming, and yet the adminisitration irefuses to do anything about global warming, which they know is a reality.

    The main speaker was Dr. Bob Curell (sp?), who headed a team of 300 scientists, from 80 different countries, on a five year study. They have indisputable evidence that we are creating the global warming. They took ice cores all over the Arctic, and they said the cores went back 500,000 years, and they could tell the C02 levels,temperatures, and everything about the climate, and they said the Arctic hasn't seen temperatures like this for many 1,000's of years. Greenland, which has the largest ice sheet in the world, has shrunk by about 25% in the last 26 years. They said the Arctic ice pack will be gone within this century, and the polar bear population is already nose-diving because the bears need ice to hunt on They said the size of the females have dropped 55 lbs. in the last 15 years, while the population dropped 17%.

    And---they also said that the hurricanes, in the Atlantic, and the Pacidic, will continue to get worse.

    And within this century the oceans will be 3 feet deeper.
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    Apparently Michael Chriton doea not agree with global warming. He has put in his last book that we are going thru another climate fluctuation like the ice age.

    No matter who you beleive the weather is getting dangerous and we should look at preparing for ourselves and neighbors.
    Whether it is a natural occurance or due to pollution everyone agrees it is coming.
    With all the terrorist threats and this I think we should all stock up on supplies and consider what we might need for fluctuating temperatures.
    I live in FL. I have to prepair for winds...which is different for prepairing for sea surge. I have to prepare for a flood, from the sea as I live so close to it.
    New Orleans taught me to put supplies in my attic and put a darn ax there to get out with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Becba
    Apparently Michael Chriton doea not agree with global warming. He has put in his last book that we are going thru another climate fluctuation like the ice age.

    No matter who you beleive the weather is getting dangerous and we should look at preparing for ourselves and neighbors.
    Whether it is a natural occurance or due to pollution everyone agrees it is coming.
    With all the terrorist threats and this I think we should all stock up on supplies and consider what we might need for fluctuating temperatures.
    I live in FL. I have to prepair for winds...which is different for prepairing for sea surge. I have to prepare for a flood, from the sea as I live so close to it.
    New Orleans taught me to put supplies in my attic and put a darn ax there to get out with.
    I would put a large crowbar in the atic; it would be a good tool for getting through a roof.

    I think they see the Artic rapidly increasing in temperature, twice as fast as our temperature increase. CO2 levels are the highest they have ever been seen, and that is from an ice core that goes back 500,000 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Becba
    New Orleans taught me to put supplies in my attic and put a darn ax there to get out with.
    Well, that's certainly ONE possibility. However, after New Orleans, there was a new approach tried by many--get out of the house before the water reaches the eaves!

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    Quote Originally Posted by calus_3
    This is all geo-scientific poppycock!

    The environment in this world is extraordinarily dynamic...it cleans itself. Yes, in areas of high concentration we can create smog, etc. and make the air unhealthy. Those things should be managed and fixed.

    However, we are in a period of increased heat being thrown out by the SUN. The sun is hotter, we are hotter. It is a long term trend that will probably reverse itself in a few years and then the global warming freaks will say that we had so much warming that now it is causing global cooling. Am I to believe that we humans (okay, let's be specific AMERICANS....not one of these damned scientists seem to care about CHINA the most polluting nation in the history of the globe) caused so much global warming that we are causing the sun to be hotter? Not that more heat is being kept by the Earth's atmosphere by particulates, etc. but that we actually altered the SUN. A star so hot that nothing we could possibly ever create could remotely come close to approaching its viscinity without being burnt up? NOPE. Find a global warming nut and ask them...."what then, say you, about the fact that in recent years the Sun has become HOTTER?". Their blank stare and blabbering will tell you volumes about them and their "THEORIES". Gee, the sun is spitting out a lot more heat and the Earth gets warmer.....damn it must be those damned Americans again. Holy cow, they are altering the course of the Earth and man while feeding the entire planet and taking care of the globe.

    If the Sun's solar radiation emitted was stable or declining (aka the heat from the sun) and the Earth's temperature was still going up...I might buy into this global warming garbage. But folks, it is a FRAUD. It doesn't exist.

    If you drill 200 feet into the polar caps, you will see layers of ice much like tree rings that go back for eons. There are thick layers indicating that some years were hotter than others and some thick indicating colder years.

    The truth about global warming is that it is a FAKE scientific theory meant solely and completely to weaken America through restrictive environmental restrictions and excessive costs. There are those who want a world tax on America to pay for global warming reparations. Again, not once do you hear about CHINA when muttering Global warming. It's those damned Americans I tell you. I wonder how many people have gone to their graves with their last world being "those damned Americans".....well, lately a lot of Al qaeda terrorists!

    Cal
    I agree with you.

    At one time glaciers covered large areas of the world and then all that ice melted and the glaciers receded. Did the cave men cause this with their cooking fires? Too much gas emmissions from the Mastadon population?

    The world has been warming (and cooling again) ever since the ice age.....it's the natural cycle of the planet.

    In fact there have been times when the planet was warmer than it is now...before cars and sources of major pollution even existed...why?

    I don't believe we have as much effect on the climate as some would have us believe.

    The world may be getting warmer yet they have had snowfall and cold weather in places this year that never get snow.

    The world climate changes, it always has. Yes the changes are real and many of them harmful.... but I believe that they would happen and will happen regardless.

    This is not to say that I don't think we need to stop emmissions and polutions of all kinds on land, water and the atmosphere.

    I simply don't think that we are ultimately in control of the weather or have a tremendous effect on it.

    A couple of articles of interest.

    http://www.look-to-the-skies.com/new_page_3.htm

    http://service.spiegel.de/cache/inte...357366,00.html

    http://www.junkscience.com/news/robinson.htm

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