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    Delphi thread open folks see link at top of page.

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    Does anybody find it strange that CO LE isn't asking if anybody saw anything or anyone on the trails when TW went missing? IN LE sure has with the Delphi murders. I know they had a picture, but just an investigation would call for any local information I would think. This is one of the reasons I feel they have an unnamed suspect for this murder already apprehended. jmo
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    Quote Originally Posted by kkdj View Post
    Does anybody find it strange that CO LE isn't asking if anybody saw anything or anyone on the trails when TW went missing? IN LE sure has with the Delphi murders. I know they had a picture, but just an investigation would call for any local information I would think. This is one of the reasons I feel they have an unnamed suspect for this murder already apprehended. jmo
    I have seen them ask a couple of times but certainly not many. I think they want the plea agreement tied up and DN sentenced and safely in prison then perhaps KN will cooperate. Who knows?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shiressleuth View Post
    I have seen them ask a couple of times but certainly not many. I think they want the plea agreement tied up and DN sentenced and safely in prison then perhaps KN will cooperate. Who knows?
    Are you thinking she's too scared he might get out so she's waiting before she cooperates? But if she knew he murdered any of these people, wouldn't that help her to keep him incarcerated? Maybe she's covering her own back and scared for herself getting arrested. We'll see what happens at the juvenile hearing on the 4th, if she gets her kids back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by foxbluff View Post
    Is it safe to assume that by late Sept. all leaves that are going to fall have already fallen in Colo.?
    Not necessarily. I've been told by people who reside/have resided in Colorado that they were able to mow their grass all year long, depending on the weather.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kkdj View Post
    Does anybody find it strange that CO LE isn't asking if anybody saw anything or anyone on the trails when TW went missing? IN LE sure has with the Delphi murders. I know they had a picture, but just an investigation would call for any local information I would think. This is one of the reasons I feel they have an unnamed suspect for this murder already apprehended. jmo
    Just as an alternative thought, perhaps they have had a chance to do normal police work like checking his phone for evidence of someone who planned to retaliate against him for some reason. I know he is said to be a person with no enemies, I am just offering an alternative idea for why LE has not asked for help. Yet if that is true they have not arrested anyone else that we know of.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kkdj View Post
    Are you thinking she's too scared he might get out so she's waiting before she cooperates? But if she knew he murdered any of these people, wouldn't that help her to keep him incarcerated? Maybe she's covering her own back and scared for herself getting arrested. We'll see what happens at the juvenile hearing on the 4th, if she gets her kids back.
    I am worried they could do a deal and he gets probation only and walks. She must be worried about the same possibility.

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    But I know she's smart enough to know that if she turned him in, he would be incarcerated indefinitely.

    She writes and speaks well. She also has only praises from former coworkers, stating she's a hard worker.

    She also stated that she could not pay back damages to one of their apartments (mycase.in.gov) because her tax refunds get intercepted by student loans. That was verified by the court system via her paperwork, which she was smart enough to gather.

    I don't think she is dumb enough to be afraid of him, in the sense of believing he would get out of jail.

    Quote Originally Posted by Shiressleuth View Post
    I am worried they could do a deal and he gets probation only and walks. She must be worried about the same possibility.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daey34 View Post
    But I know she's smart enough to know that if she turned him in, he would be incarcerated indefinitely.

    She writes and speaks well. She also has only praises from former coworkers, stating she's a hard worker.

    She also stated that she could not pay back damages to one of their apartments (mycase.in.gov) because her tax refunds get intercepted by student loans. That was verified by the court system via her paperwork, which she was smart enough to gather.

    I don't think she is dumb enough to be afraid of him, in the sense of believing he would get out of jail.
    Fear of another can become so intense it takes a long time to ever feel safe again despite any reassurances, despite the person one is fearful of being removed. Love can be equally intense; fond memories, sympathy, feeling you did not help that person enough to "fix" or "heal" them. IMO a younger woman is all the more easily affected by these factors due to lack of experience, her vulnerability multiplied manifold if she is a mother of vulnerable babies or toddlers. I have no links here. I speak from personal experience in my own life and thst of my 31 y.o. dtr A young woman, blinded by love, then immersed long term in an intimate relationship with one who "protects" her while also harming her on a regular basis both mentally and physically, can become brainwashed, stymied, DEEPLY traumatized. Much support, professional help, and TIME is needed for such a person to ever feel truly safe again despite the removal of the abuser. This kind of trauma is not easily resolved in a week, or a month, or years, even. KN could very well be just such a victim. She may even have done things she never normally would have under these circumstances, out of fear for her own survival or that of her children. And the love may be just as persistent, further complicating ones return to any normalcy. JMO MHO MOO these factors may well be at play here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daey34 View Post
    But I know she's smart enough to know that if she turned him in, he would be incarcerated indefinitely.

    She writes and speaks well. She also has only praises from former coworkers, stating she's a hard worker.

    She also stated that she could not pay back damages to one of their apartments (mycase.in.gov) because her tax refunds get intercepted by student loans. That was verified by the court system via her paperwork, which she was smart enough to gather.

    I don't think she is dumb enough to be afraid of him, in the sense of believing he would get out of jail.
    They may not have anything concrete. We keep hearing that so I just don't know. Nothing seems certain in this case at all. She was scared to be in the same court room as him previously and there was a restraining order at one time.

    Sadly, the courts and LE fail young women and children all the time in such cases.
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    She stated that she was scared of him, but that doesn't mean she was scared of him in actuality.

    Not saying she's lying, and not saying she's hiding anything. But nothing that DN or KN has said so far seems to be panning out as true. Could be confusion, or it could be fear. It could also just be that too many questions have been asked of them.

    I'm just not feeling the fear aspect. My opinion only.

    Quote Originally Posted by Shiressleuth View Post
    They may not have anything concrete. We keep hearing that so I just don't know. Nothing seems certain in this case at all. She was scared to be in the same court room as him previously and there was a restraining order at one time.

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    http://www.jconline.com/story/news/2...des/788115001/

    Wanted to post this old link of the interview with KN as we have been discussing similar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boxer View Post
    About false ID-
    Providing a false name verbally is enough for the charge.

    http://www.lacriminaldefensepartners...ity-to-police/
    Thatís what makes sense to me. DN gave the officer a false name that didnít jive when checked.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Daey34 View Post
    I'm just not feeling the fear aspect. My opinion only.
    Fear of being implicated and imprisoned along with him. If she has real evidence that can convict him it means she was there, otherwise anything she states is just her opinion. She certainly is codependent. She would be a fool not to be afraid of living in close proximity to anyone who rages. People who hack stuff up, break your nose, kick your car in, choke you, are showing you definite signs that they could kill you. But her thinking is so warped, "He was a good father"..., we cannot trust anything she says. I'm not trying to say she is a habitual liar, I think its the codependence again, but she is someone who would have to show us by her actions, not her words. In the video where are the tears and trembling someone who has been so fearful and abused would have? She is too matter of fact, at least for me. And has she taken steps to divorce him, to get a job, going to counseling? I would think that is what CPS wants to see. A reversal of the terrible things she has exposed her children to. They cannot return someone's kids who lives in a shelter with no job, transportation. And i was just reading in the Sherin Mathews case that it is very unusual for custody to be terminated to only one parent. Surely you HAVE to be divorced from a repeat offender. You know, take steps, make good choices for your children.

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    Almost time for court.
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