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    Other children killed in home by intruder, but parents survive?

    I saw on another forum a thread about a list of husbands who kill their wives and that got me thinking. Now...first let me explain this is the first thread I have ever started, so if something is wrong or if this is just plain stupid, please delete it or correct me or something!!! OK....Is there an instance where a child or children was killed in the home and the parents were NOT killed and an "true" intruder was convicted? I know there are cases where the child was taken by an intruder and was killed (Jessica Lunsford, Polly Klass, Danielle Van Damm, the Dawallby girl) but they were taken out of the house. I also know that an intruder who has no connection to the victims has in the past killed both the children and the adults. But is there truly a case in which a complete stranger for no reason what so ever but pure evil, come into a home, murder a child (or children) and leave the parents alive AND have been convicted of the crime?

    I hope I haven't been rambling. Just have been trying to think of an instance.
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    This is a very good question, very good. Very good observation.


    I'm only looking into this case and did read some about the Jon Benet Ramsey case, another one where the child was not taken out of the home. So I'm no help.

    Maybe this also needs to be posted on a thread/threads where more people would see it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by detectivewannabe
    I saw on another forum a thread about a list of husbands who kill their wives and that got me thinking. Now...first let me explain this is the first thread I have ever started, so if something is wrong or if this is just plain stupid, please delete it or correct me or something!!! OK....Is there an instance where a child or children was killed in the home and the parents were NOT killed and an "true" intruder was convicted? I know there are cases where the child was taken by an intruder and was killed (Jessica Lunsford, Polly Klass, Danielle Van Damm, the Dawallby girl) but they were taken out of the house. I also know that an intruder who has no connection to the victims has in the past killed both the children and the adults. But is there truly a case in which a complete stranger for no reason what so ever but pure evil, come into a home, murder a child (or children) and leave the parents alive AND have been convicted of the crime?

    I hope I haven't been rambling. Just have been trying to think of an instance.
    Thank you for your time and comments

    Yes, Tommy Lynn Sells. He entered the double wide trailer home of Terry and Crystal Harris who were at home asleep with their children. He entered all the bedrooms and retreated until he found what he was looking for-- 13 year old Katy Harris, and her 10 year old friend Krystal who was spending the night. He fondled Katy, when she screamed he cut her throat. He then moved to Krystal and cut her throat--she pretended to be dead. Katy died, Krystal survived and testified against him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cami
    Yes, Tommy Lynn Sells. He entered the double wide trailer home of Terry and Crystal Harris who were at home asleep with their children. He entered all the bedrooms and retreated until he found what he was looking for-- 13 year old Katy Harris, and her 10 year old friend Krystal who was spending the night. He fondled Katy, when she screamed he cut her throat. He then moved to Krystal and cut her throat--she pretended to be dead. Katy died, Krystal survived and testified against him.
    But Tommy Lynn Sells was a serial killer who knew the father was going out of town. He planned to kill everyone but was thrown off guard by a friend spending the night and fled instead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by detectivewannabe
    I saw on another forum a thread about a list of husbands who kill their wives and that got me thinking. Now...first let me explain this is the first thread I have ever started, so if something is wrong or if this is just plain stupid, please delete it or correct me or something!!! OK....Is there an instance where a child or children was killed in the home and the parents were NOT killed and an "true" intruder was convicted? I know there are cases where the child was taken by an intruder and was killed (Jessica Lunsford, Polly Klass, Danielle Van Damm, the Dawallby girl) but they were taken out of the house. I also know that an intruder who has no connection to the victims has in the past killed both the children and the adults. But is there truly a case in which a complete stranger for no reason what so ever but pure evil, come into a home, murder a child (or children) and leave the parents alive AND have been convicted of the crime?

    I hope I haven't been rambling. Just have been trying to think of an instance.
    Thank you for your time and comments
    I am sure there has been. But I would think this might happen from an angry parent losing custody and not wanting to pay child support. I don't know about the answer in the context relating to the situation you are talking about..... where the parents still being married and the children being killed by a total stranger. Good question...don't know the answer.

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    The reason I ask this question is because I think we, as a society, have a very hard time believing that a complete stranger, for no apparent reason or motive would come into a house and murder a child/children and leave the adults alive like so many people claim. I'm sure it has happened but I would dare say not as many times as people would want us to beleive. Just like Darlie, and the Ramsey's and the Mac Donald's.....some "intruder" came in, brutally murdered the children in their home...with adults in the house......only feet away.....and with no motive other than killing a child, did just that and vanished into the night.I was just seeing if this senerio happens alot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by detectivewannabe
    The reason I ask this question is because I think we, as a society, have a very hard time believing that a complete stranger, for no apparent reason or motive would come into a house and murder a child/children and leave the adults alive like so many people claim. I'm sure it has happened but I would dare say not as many times as people would want us to beleive. Just like Darlie, and the Ramsey's and the Mac Donald's.....some "intruder" came in, brutally murdered the children in their home...with adults in the house......only feet away.....and with no motive other than killing a child, did just that and vanished into the night.I was just seeing if this senerio happens alot.
    I have never heard of one where there was no evidence left behind to indentify the intruder. There have been home invasions where everyone has been killed like the Clutter family in the 60s, but even gangs don't come in just to kill the kids,not that I have ever heard of anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goody
    I have never heard of one where there was no evidence left behind to indentify the intruder. There have been home invasions where everyone has been killed like the Clutter family in the 60s, but even gangs don't come in just to kill the kids,not that I have ever heard of anyway.
    Dang it Goody! Now you have gotten me interested in another case. I am going to look up this Clutter family case.

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    You know, I may have an example to my own question. What about that guy who came in a killed Michael Crowe's sister? Remember, the case where the police interragated Michael Crowe and he "confessed" and it ended up being someone else? That's the only one I can think of. Like I said, it doesn't happen as often as husband's/boyfriend's killing thier wives/girlfriends/children.

    I'm still thinking........................

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    Quote Originally Posted by detectivewannabe
    The reason I ask this question is because I think we, as a society, have a very hard time believing that a complete stranger, for no apparent reason or motive would come into a house and murder a child/children and leave the adults alive like so many people claim. I'm sure it has happened but I would dare say not as many times as people would want us to beleive. Just like Darlie, and the Ramsey's and the Mac Donald's.....some "intruder" came in, brutally murdered the children in their home...with adults in the house......only feet away.....and with no motive other than killing a child, did just that and vanished into the night.I was just seeing if this senerio happens alot.

    Before the "Westerfield" and "Lunsford" cases, I never would have thought it was possible for someone to get into a house and walk out of carrying a child and not leaving even a fingerprint, but unfortunately it happens and every possible scenario needs to be considered.

    In the "Routier" case, unfortunately for Darlie, every single trail leads directly back to her.


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    Quote Originally Posted by deandaniellws
    Dang it Goody! Now you have gotten me interested in another case. I am going to look up this Clutter family case.

    That's the "In Cold Blood" case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by detectivewannabe
    The reason I ask this question is because I think we, as a society, have a very hard time believing that a complete stranger, for no apparent reason or motive would come into a house and murder a child/children and leave the adults alive like so many people claim. I'm sure it has happened but I would dare say not as many times as people would want us to beleive. Just like Darlie, and the Ramsey's and the Mac Donald's.....some "intruder" came in, brutally murdered the children in their home...with adults in the house......only feet away.....and with no motive other than killing a child, did just that and vanished into the night.I was just seeing if this senerio happens alot.
    I think we have a harder time believing a mother or father could kill their own child, especially a mother. I'd love to believe Darlie's story. Sure, it's scary as all get out, but I'd prefer that to having to face the fact that a seemingly normal young woman took a knife to 2 little boys. Every single piece of evidence can be traced to Darlie in some way.
    Polly Klass, as you was snatched from her room, molested, and then murdered. The killer cami and Goody are referring to did that as well. It is rare, very rare, to hear of someone killing 2 young boys without molesting them or snatching them and leaving any other family members alive, much less adults.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeana (DP)
    That's the "In Cold Blood" case.
    GI Jane was saying the other day how inmates talk and hear all sorts of things. These murders are amazing. 2 convicts hear about this rich man in the middle of nowhere Kansas, and decide to steal the loot. Supposedly he kept a wad of dough in the basement, isn't that it? Tied the girl up in her bedroom, the mom up in the other, the father and son in the basement, I think. Can you imagine the mother and daughter's terror as they heard the gunshots and the footsteps coming closer to their rooms?
    Beesy Was Here

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    Urban Legend

    I also remember something about a girl scout camp in Oklahoma sometime between 69-74. It was one year right after we came back from camp ourselves but in N.M.

    It could have been urban legend but 2 girls were brutally stabbed to death in a tent on a campground.
    Look it up but I have no name only a time frame and possible State.

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    Readers digest

    Hs an article in this months issue that is also interesting.

    Seems housewife who is taken hostage and rescued was unable to cry for 2 days after experience. She cried non stop for a while. She reacted in a typical way for a post trauma event.


    It says more information is available at

    www. rd.com./hostage

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