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  1. #16
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    I'm not sure about Karen being the mother of Sharon Marshall, but I'm guessing what Itsreenw is thinking is that Karen went missing in 1961 at age 11, so by 1967 or 1968 (when it is thought Sharon was born) she would have been 17 or 18....

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    Quote Originally Posted by kylie
    Honestly if she were abducted at 11, I don't think she would be Marshall's mother...or Marshall because she was old enough to remember her original home and contact home...................most likely the guy with the bloodstains wast their best bet but they let him slip away or it was connected to the later abduction mentioned.
    It is unlikely but not impossible that Karen was Sharon's mom. And at 11, she would know her phone # but consider Carol Smith (alias) aka "The Girl in the Box". The 20 yr old was kidnapped by Cameron Hooker and kept as a sex slave for 7 yrs. Hooker tortured her until he broke her down mentally. She was eventually allowed to work outside the home but never tried to escape. The captor even took her home and she didn't alert her family in any way that she was being held against her will. If a 20 yr old can be scared into submission, an 11 yr old certainly can.

    Link to "Girl in the box" story:
    http://www.crimelibrary.com/criminal...ave/index.html


    IMO, there isn't enough evidence to say it is most likely the guy with the bloody underclothes. We don't know enough. Although I think I will see what I can find out about him to see if he was arrested for any similar crimes.

    And Joellegirl, you are right. I am thinking that FDF could have kept Karen alive through her teen years with the assistance of others. Floyd was in a prison based religious group called Church Of a New Song (CONS). The group was said to have "flop houses" around the country for ex-prisoners. At least one other member, Henry Harbison, is suspected of killing his wife and selling their 2 young children. See link for more info:

    http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/1023dfmo.html

    I will email Lori, Karen's sis to see if LE has contacted her lately with info and invite her to join us here.

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    Karen Lynn Tompkins


    XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX age progression XX

    This is a link to the letter Karen's sister wrote. It's posted on the website outpostforhope.org http://www.outpostforhope.org/letter..._thereason.htm

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    She does look like Sharon as a child. Or did they rule her out with DNA testing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by anthrobones
    She does look like Sharon as a child. Or did they rule her out with DNA testing?
    .......Iam looking in my book now for it But I can't put no time on when I find it Few Min's, Few Day's, Few Year's, I wonder if I can sell a Index to this book it will keep you jumping around..

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    If Karen was Sharon's mother, I wonder who sharon's father would be? Some con at one of the flop houses????

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    Well this is what I got so far...But keep in mind now that's they are a big question now, That they don't know for sure even if they got the right DNA sample from Sharon Marshall or not??? They are people saying the DNA now could not be her DNA!!!!...If we don't have enough problem's with this case....DNA RULED OUT From Matt Birkbeck site, Jennifer Klein---Cheryl Hanson---Cynthia Sumpter---Sherry Lyn Johnson---Janice Pockett note:: janice is just about rule out by age too.......hope this little bit help's all you with your investigation

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    Can't they exhume Sharon to get her real DNA? Since she has no family, there's noone to object...

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    They have not tested Karen's/Sharon's DNA yet. When I spoke with the detective in Torrance he had never even heard of Sharon Marshall or Franklin Floyd. I sent him some info and pics and he went out immediately to buy "A Beautful Child". I haven't heard from him but today I sent him and Karen's sister Lori an email with some GREAT FINDS that Tuffy shared with me.
    THANKS AGAIN TUFFY)

    The detective told me that LE assumed the suspect in the Dorothy Gale Brown murder was also the person that abducted Karen. The common factor being the girls lived in the same area. The abductions were a year apart.

    They were not aware that Franklin Floyd had been arrested in Los Angeles previously and served a sentence in a juvenile facility in Preston CA until his release in August 1961. They were not aware of the fact that upon his return to GA the following year, he abducted a 4 yr old girl from a bowling alley and raped & sodomized her. (Note: the final time Floyd was arrested for the charges that landed him on death row, one of the items in his possession was the CURRENT address and phone # of the now adult woman he abducted from the bowling alley 30 yrs prior).

    As far as exhuming Sharon's body, the fact that there are no known family members is working against her. As far as LE is concerned, it's case closed. Floyd's in prison. Poor Suzanne/Sharon/Tonya is deceased. There was no proof Floyd killed her and since Floyd is already on death row I think LE considers it a waste of time to try to prosecute him. That's just my opinion.

    Hopefully Karen's family will get LAPD or Torrance PD to request an exhumation.

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    Wish it would work that easy, Iam guessing but what I seen before somebody will have to come up with the money to exhume her plus you got to get state attorney general office to OK it....Then It's really up to the state if they will run a other DNA test on the sample or if the money will have to be privite rasied "like from us" because if I remember right the state say's they got the right DNA!!! Other people are the one's that saying that the state is wrong on this case...them DNA test are big buck's last I heard about them..You complete right this need's to be done but Iam thinking that the state know's this going to be a very hard case to solve so they keep this case way back on the back burner as they say in my part's of the country.....I can stand to be corrected on these statemant's because Iam not 100% sure about it...Iam thinking each state has little different laws when it come's to this type of problem...


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    We must been typing at the same time itsreenw Like I say I can stand to be corrected on this case.. What Iam going by on Sharon's Marshall's DNA is A Beautiful Child by Matt Birkbeck "paperback" look's like last printing on my book is August 2005, on page 271 they sayed Bodetech Lab's got 2 envelopes sent to Sharon's friend Jennifer Fisher send to her by Sharon Marshall..page 274 Bodetech were successful in extracting DNA from one of the stamp's from Sharon's envelopes she sent to Jennifer...page 277 Technicians from Bodetech found cross-contamination coming from number of sources including the glue, handling ect...page 278 you got Dr. Henry Lee in 1995 getting tissue sample's from Sharon's autopsy in 1990, and then 3 month's later Oklahoma City police find's 2 vials of Sharon's blood and Hair sample's in storage taken when she died in 1990...In May 2004 Bodetech DNA testing confirmed that Sharon Marshall was not Sherri Lynn Johnson...Page 282 March 2005 curious and disturbing development's concerning Sharon's blood samples arose concerning the validity of the blood sample's, specifically whether it was really Sharon's blood or not.............I just did not want you to get the wrong idea To say the least this case got more turn's and twist's in it I ever seen...I just didnot want you get the wrong idea I was trying to talk to you ..noway I don't know if you read that book but it's hard to try to keep up with too...Like I say I can stand to be corrected on this case..We was typing I think at the same time and I didn't want any hard feeling from you.. little innocent mistake....

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    Hey Welder,

    Good to see ya! Never any hard feelings between us, I enjoy your posts too much. And besides that, you had more info than me, so thanks. Remember you are supposed to be updating me as you read the book because I have totally forgotten most of what I read

    I know that Karen's DNA is available and I suggested that Torrance PD do a comparison with Sharon's. Torrance PD is not in charge of the case though. Reading through my emails, I saw that Det Delsigne of Torrance was at a conference (related to something else) with the LAPD detective that's in charge of Karen's case. He stated that she mentioned she and I had been in contact but that is not true.

    I don't know if someone else from WS has contacted LAPD but I tried several times to reach someone and never rec'd a call back. I am going to try to contact her again now that more people are showing an interest in Karen's case.

    Mooner, I still wonder about David Dial being her father. Although he has been ruled out by LE, I don't think DNA was ever done on him and they sure look alike.

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    You had me sweating ....You know me I try my best not to make anybody upset over anything....I tell you what you got I think a very good maybe match...Time, Place, Photo, I thought about Karen too but for some reason I could not put it all together like you did. We got this blame question about DNA now over this case...If anybody in this world I like to take to a "Torture Chamber" Franklin Floyd has to be #1 on my list...Myself I think we only getting 10 to 20% of what that Monster really did to little kid's, I like to know everything he did ...He would not do it to Adult's his own size because he knowed what happen to him if he did...he should dye a slow painfull death i think..

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    I emailed Karen's sister Lori with some info Tuffy gave me and this was her reply: Aug. 15, 2006

    Thank you for the info. I have passed on all this info
    to our Detective at the LAPD. She has contacted the
    FBI about Sharon Marshall & gotten the run around,
    They tell her the case is not assigned to anyone now.
    As far as I know they have not called her back.
    Just a reminder. Karen's anniversary of being taken
    is August 18th. (45 years).
    Thanks for keeping her in your thoughts,
    Please tell everyone at Websleuths Thanks also.
    Lori Buck

    Since Matt Birkbeck is familiar with the FBI agents that were on Sharon's case I am going to forward him the info and ask if he will contact someone about this.

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    This is a lifesize wagon like the replicas Karen was carrying home from school.


    courtesy of Tuffy

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