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    Quote Originally Posted by tuffy
    I found some 23 news paper with accounts of the disapperance of Karen, as much as I can gather there were several different ways she could have walked a little less then four blk.the most interesting is the school yard photo in the paper shows an area just back of the school that was under constrution....shown by photos as they tried walking her dog to see if he could pick up a scent.....
    I will put these on as soon as I can get them off my clip board......
    The photo of karen was taken the year before she disappered and is from the Press Telegram in Long Beach California...other news papers carried the story....LATimes The Breeze,Orange County edition of the LA times....as far inland as Freseno.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by tuffy
    I found some disapperance of Karen, as much as I can gather there were several different ways she could have walked a little less then four blk.the most interesting is the school yard photo in the paper shows an area just back of the school that was under constrution....shown by photos as they tried walking her dog to see if he could pick up a scent.....
    I will put these on as soon as I can get them off my clip board......
    Makeing some progress with these news papers off my clip board.....this is the area behind karens school that was a short cut to her house.
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    Hi all,

    I have not been able to access the net and still can't access my email so please don't think I've abandoned you. PC is being fixed now. I'll be back soon

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    Sharon Case (Court TV)

    Does anyone have that tape I read that a few may have taped the story on sharon.........
    Please I will pay for a copy and mailing.Imust see this and or how I can get one from the studio of Court TV
    Please
    Tuffy

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    Court TV Info:

    The Post I viewed was from 2005....for that Story about Sharon Marshall....
    I have called Court Tv ...
    Title was......Pattern of Deception...

    IT WAS ON AGAIN 10 DAYS AGO
    AND WAS RAN AS THE TECH THAT TAKES PHONE IN ORDERS RECALLS BECOUSE
    FDF...FLOYD HAD DIED
    AUGUST 25TH 2006 DATE OF COURT TV
    AIRING........
    SOMEONE PLEASE FIND OUT ABOUT FDF.

    COURT TV....877-871-6469 order tapes
    can not order this one about Sharon
    have to find out (who it was that made the originial) Court TV only got rights to air .....
    TUFFY
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    looks like he's still around, Tuffy...

    http://www.dc.state.fl.us/ActiveInma...onID=472832940

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    Fdf

    Thank you for seeing about my post.....as i said I called Court TV to find the Sharon Marshall story...and the tech. that takes orders had said that....
    It would be ok!except I do not think God! is done with him.....
    Thank you again for your checking it out....

    Tuffy

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    So where is Franlkin Floyd now? Dead or locked up? What a wierd case.

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    jail

    http://www.dc.state.fl.us/ActiveInm...ionID=472832940
    the thred above gives the link ....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nocgirl
    So where is Franlkin Floyd now? Dead or locked up? What a wierd case.
    Franklin Floyd is on death row in Florida for the murder of Cheryl Commisso. He corresponds regularly with a prior Websleuths member named Hollow. His letters go from one extreme to the next. First he is kind then in another letter he uses profanity throughout and calls her "B*tch" instead of using her name to address her.

    Hollow is trying to see if she can get him comfortable enough with her to let down his guard and possibly give a hint of where Sharon's son Michael is buried and where Sharon came from.

    So far he has only asked her to do things for him like senda books of stamps, send money and the book "A Beautiful Child" by Matt Birkbeck, I strongly suggest anyone new to Sharon's case to read the archived threads here and try to get the book. It is bizarre to say the least and they moved around so much that it is hard to keep track of what names they used in which state.


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    News paper

    [QUOTE=tuffy]I found some 23 news paper with accounts of the disapperance of Karen, as much as I can gather there were several different ways she could have walked a little less then four blk.the most interesting is the school yard photo in the paper shows an area just back of the school that was under constrution....shown by photos as they tried walking her dog to see if he could pick up a scent.....
    [b] The Libaray dated base in my area has pro-quest and for a small fee....will e-mail all titles from the subjet you need for research....The main Libaray vs. a branch goes back as far as you need.......and is why I was able to find all this information......
    I have gotten permisson from all of these news paper and I am working on a site....for Karen Tompkins....and Sharon Marshall......

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    Paper: Daily Breeze (Torrance, CA)
    Title: Does separate case hold clues to disappearance?
    Date: August 17, 2003

    Does separate case hold clues to disappearance?


    By Larry AltmanThe folded-up note sits in a blue canvas notebook,
    encased sheets of paper covered with math problems and social studies
    answers.


    "To Gale only," one of Dorothy Gale Brown's friends wrote to her on the
    piece of paper apparently passed in class 40 years ago. "Do you want
    the gum with different colors? P.S. Give it to Patty and tell her to
    answer it."


    The note is contained inside the 11-year-old's notebook, preserved and
    booked into evidence at the Torrance Police Department when she was
    molested and killed in 1962. Police believe the same person probably is
    involved with the disappearance of Karen Lynn Tompkins in the Los Angeles
    city strip a year earlier.


    The notebook, unchanged from the time it was last used, reveals the
    last days of her life.


    "Johnny Crawford is a sweet boy," Gale wrote in a report about the teen
    heartthrob at the time. "He is a sweet boy and nice. He has a very
    sweet voice and he can play the guitar very well. He plays his part in 'The
    Rifleman' very well. He is very cute. He is very smart."


    Gale's nude body was discovered July 4, 1962, floating 25 feet down in
    the water off Corona del Mar. Skin divers enjoying the Independence Day
    holiday found her.


    Torrance investigators immediately joined with Los Angeles police
    working the Tompkins case because they believed the cases were linked. The
    blond, blue-eyed girls were the same age and lived just blocks from each
    other, one in the Torrance city limits, the other in the Los Angeles
    city strip, now called Harbor Gateway.


    "I think that's quite a bit of a coincidence," said Torrance police
    Detective Walt Delsigne, a homicide investigator who plans to take a fresh
    look at the Brown case.


    It was 6 p.m. July 3, 1962, the last time Gale's father would see her
    alive. Gale kissed William Brown at their trailer park home in the 1800
    block of Torrance Boulevard and said she was going for a bicycle ride.


    When she did not come home, her father went looking for her. He found
    only her bicycle on 213th Street near Border Avenue later that evening.


    Just as they did in the Karen Lynn Tompkins case, police mounted a
    house-to-house search with dozens of officers.


    "There is a chance the girl spent the night at a friend's home," then
    Torrance Police Chief Percy Bennett said hopefully that day. "But we
    can't operate on that assumption."


    An autopsy showed Gale had drowned and was sexually molested, news
    reports said.


    "We just can't understand why this happened to us," Gale's grieving
    father told the Los Angeles Herald-Examiner that day. His wife, Charleyne,
    was placed under a doctor's care.


    A couple of days later, a Long Beach family found Gale's dress stuffed
    into a beer can and discarded on the beach.


    Police officers swarmed over the Browns' trailer park, looking for any
    clues to find a killer. Nothing helped.


    Torrance detectives interviewed hundreds of sexual predators, and went
    through downtown Torrance hotels looking for transients to question.
    One who lived near both Karen and Gale was questioned, but released.


    A transcription of his shocking interview with detectives, including
    admissions about child molestation, remains among the evidence in boxes
    marked Dorothy Gale Brown at the Torrance Police Department.


    No suspect was identified and no charges were ever filed.


    "There's definitely people to still look at," Delsigne said. Current
    detectives plan to take a new look at the Brown case, going through
    police reports, audio tapes and transcripts of interviews with suspects to
    pick up where their predecessors left off 41 years ago.


    "There's nothing that gets you more than any of the child murders. It
    gets to us all a bit more. We are talking about innocent young
    children."


    Dorothy Gale Brown


    - City:Torrance


    - Missing: July 3, 1962.


    - Found killed: July 4, 1962.


    - Location: Bicycle found at 213th Street near Border Avenue, Torrance.


    - Detective: Walt Delsigne, Torrance Police Department, 310-618-5570.


    CLAN ARCHIVE 00917 082003 173952%WEBCOPY%Murder case linked A1 SUN
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    Article about disappearance

    This article says that a friend rode along Karen on a bike for a short time before she disappeared. I hadn't heard that before. (Thanks to the party that shared this info with me.)

    Paper: Daily Breeze (Torrance, CA)
    Title: The girl who never came home
    Date: August 17, 2003

    The girl who never came home


    A South Bay 11-year old vanished in 1961, and her family is still
    waiting for answers


    By Larry AltmanLaura Tompkins keeps photographs of her daughter, Karen,
    in her room. The pictures show a friendly 11-year-old girl with blond
    hair and blue eyes.


    "I will always see her as she was then," Tompkins said. "It's hard to
    think of her as being older. She would be almost 54 now."


    Karen Lynn Tompkins disappeared 42 years ago Monday. After helping her
    teacher at Halldale Avenue Elementary School in Harbor Gateway, Karen
    headed home.


    No one ever saw her again. No trace of her was ever found. Although
    police and her family members believe a kidnapper grabbed her, no one
    knows for sure what happened.


    "If you know someone is killed in an accident or something, it's
    closure," Karen's mother said from her home in Orange Park, Fla. "But this
    way it isn't. You never know if she was killed or if she is somewhere
    being tortured or something. You think about it a lot."


    Los Angeles police robbery-homicide detectives recently pulled out of
    storage a box containing the old detectives' dusty reports on Karen's
    disappearance.


    One old photograph of Karen with her dog was enough to bring Detective
    Vivian Flores into the case.


    "She just stole my heart away," said Flores, a homicide detective who
    investigates cold cases in a long, narrow office at Parker Center in
    downtown Los Angeles.


    The box - one of two packed away long ago - contains a stack of index
    cards full of clues, those received at police headquarters and the
    Harbor Division station when news of Karen's disappearance broke on Aug. 18,
    1961. A second box containing reports and information is missing.


    From August to October 1961, police received 5,000 telephone calls and
    letters from the public, all trying to help find the missing girl and
    bring her home to her family.


    "These detectives did an amazing amount of work," Flores said. "They
    put in 413 man-hours in 1961."


    [] [] []


    Laura Tompkins does not remember much about that final morning at home.
    It was too normal.


    She got Karen and her 8-year-old brother ready for summer school, sent
    them on their way and headed to her job at the Broadway department
    store in Torrance.


    Laura Tompkins, whose then 38-year-old husband was at sea with the
    Navy, lived with her mother and children in the 21100 block of Halldale
    Avenue. Karen's grandmother stayed home with her 4-month-old sister, Lori.


    Karen and Michael walked to school that morning, but their dog
    followed. At school, Michael was told to take the dog home, so he did.


    In class, Karen worked on an arts-and-crafts project, creating a
    covered wagon and helping her teacher clean up the room. She ran out to the
    playground after school, telling her former kindergarten teacher, "I'm
    having a nice summer, but I'll be glad when school begins."


    A classmate on a bicycle rode alongside her for a minute or two when
    Karen left the school at 5:30 p.m. They talked about a dog Karen had
    entered in a pet show.


    Karen disappeared somewhere along the four-block route home.


    "When I got home my mother said Karen hadn't gotten in yet and she
    should have been in already," Tompkins said. "I started looking for her and
    no one had seen her. Then we called the police and they said, 'Well, a
    girl that age, not to worry about her. She'd probably come home.'. . .
    Today they'd have the Amber Alert."


    Karen never did come home, prompting a massive search for days. Police
    officers scoured the area near the school. Boy Scouts searched.
    Firefighters took to the ocean in boats and helicopters hovered above. Thirty
    men rode horses.


    "People were actually putting her picture on the sides of their cars,"
    Flores said.


    A loud-speaker truck patrolled Torrance streets looking for anyone who
    had seen Karen. Police went door-to-door, and searched storm drains.


    "We're afraid she's been kidnapped and perhaps is dead," a police
    officer told the Daily Breeze three days after her disappearance.


    William Tompkins rushed from the USS Ticonderoga in the Far East to be
    with his wife and children.


    "There is nothing I can do but hope," he said upon his return.


    Detectives brought in a number of suspects for questioning and checked
    a list of hundreds of what they called "sexual deviates," but never
    identified anyone as a kidnapper.


    "Nothing of hers was found, the covered wagons or anything," Laura
    Tompkins said. "I think if she was alive she would have been able to get to
    us. Unless she was being tortured or held captive or something.


    "I think she was bringing those covered wagons home, probably proud to
    show us. I don't think she would wander off. She was either grabbed and
    taken or either told a story of some kind to get her in a car."


    Time passed. Not a word. Nothing.


    The family moved to a new home in Harbor Gateway. A son Randy was born.
    When the late Mr. Tompkins retired from the Navy, he moved his family
    to Visalia, where he took a job with the post office.


    "It's hard, but you have to go on," the mother said. "I had other
    children."


    [] [] []


    Lori Buck never knew her sister. She was just 4-months-old when Karen
    disappeared.


    "It was always just something we grew up with - that she had been
    kidnapped and that she was never found," Buck said. "We always talked about
    her. We always had the clippings around and we always knew about it."


    Buck said people often said she looked like Karen.


    "My dad talked about Karen more than anyone," Buck said. "I think my
    mom accepted more that she was gone. My dad, he always thought that she
    was alive."


    Laura Tompkins often told stories about Karen, saying she was
    kindhearted, the type of girl who would cry during a cowboys and Indians movie,
    not because people got shot, but because the horses fell down.


    "She was always there in our life. She was always our sister," Buck
    said. "From what I heard, she was sweet and kind and I just know my life
    would have been completely different if she had been around."


    Karen liked to read, especially her Betsy McCall paper doll book. She
    played with Barbie dolls, earned A's and B's in school and loved her
    baby sister and younger brother.


    Once she disappeared, Tompkins became overprotective of her other
    children, always wanting to know their whereabouts.


    "I said, 'If you go anywhere be sure and let me know. If you are out
    late, let me know,' " Tompkins said. "I had newspaper clippings that we
    had saved. I let them look through and told them about it. I was always
    cautious."


    Although Michael never talks about his missing sister, Lori Buck wants
    to know what happened to her.


    "I always lived with it," she said. "It didn't affect me until I had my
    own son and I said I can't imagine going to bed at night not knowing
    where my child is."


    Buck recently looked up old news clippings and photographs about her
    sister and wrote a letter to Los Angeles Police Chief William Bratton,
    asking that officers look into the case. Bratton assigned the cold case
    team to do so.


    Flores had Karen's mother and sister provide DNA samples to submit to a
    national database, in the event any unidentified remains can be
    matched. The National Center for Missing and Exploited Children created an
    updated photograph that depicts what Karen might look like if she was
    still alive today.


    "I just want it to be looked into," Buck said. "If nothing comes of it,
    fine, we tried our best. If she's out there someplace and nobody has
    given her a name, she needs to be given a name. She needs to be brought
    home. An unidentified body buried someplace needs to be named."


    Karen Lynn Tompkins


    - City: Los Angeles city strip (Harbor Gateway)


    - Missing: Aug. 18, 1961.


    - Location: Walk home from Halldale Avenue Elementary School, 21514
    Halldale Ave.


    - Detectives: Vivian Flores, Richard Bengston, Los Angeles Police
    Department, robbery-homicide division, cold case unit, 213-485-2129.


    CLAN ARCHIVE 00918 082003 174000%WEBCOPY%Missing girl A1 SUN
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    I just found this thread...itsreenw, I think you are onto something here. There is a definite possibility of Karen being Sharon Marshall's mother. I have a MySpace page for Sharon now, so I'm going to post about this on there.

    http://www.myspace.com/138372723

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    "Torrance detectives interviewed hundreds of sexual predators, and went
    through downtown Torrance hotels looking for transients to question.
    One who lived near both Karen and Gale was questioned, but released.


    A transcription of his shocking interview with detectives, including
    admissions about child molestation, remains among the evidence in boxes
    marked Dorothy Gale Brown at the Torrance Police Department."

    Sounds like LE had a viable suspect. He lived near both of them and could have seen them walking or riding bikes on a daily basis. I wonder how close he lived to where Gale's bike was found.

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