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    Talking Food for thought..........

    Hi everyone. I know things got a little crazy with our fly by night poster, but I did get two things out of it that you all discussed. Since that thread is closed, I wanted to bring it up here, so here it is:

    I had never thought about the words "bring" instead of take and "monitor" instead of "watch." It's a big deal where I live to "bring" something with me when I'm going there (only if I'm on my way)
    ie: My friend reminded me to bring the wine to her house because she was there already.
    However, if it was someone else telling me, they would say, remember to take
    the wine with you. So, even if it doesn't point to the person he indicated, it does make me even more suspicious of who wrote the note, like they plotting out a scene in a movie, not truly thinking from the perspective of a kidnapper
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    Secondly, monitor and watch are two very different words. I monitor things from my computer or even my workplace. But, when you're looking for something or someone outside, you are watching them, not monitoring them if you are on the inside.
    Honestly, the analyzation of these words just makes me think that the two people I thought all along were doing a cover-up. Very interesting to really look at the words in the RN. Even how it changes to "we" to "I." I think a good exercize would be to sit down (all of us) and re-write the note ourselves and see what other realizations we have!!! Have any of you ever sat down
    and re-wrote that note? I have not, but I'm going to. Like someone always posts and I forget who it it, "The devil is in the details."

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    I always found the statement "I advise you to be rested" to be a very significant statement. It seems so out of place. Why would a kidnapper/molester/extortionist/murderer/whatever-you-want-to-call-him care if the Ramseys were rested? It sounds more like a wife speaking to her husband.

    Also, the word choice sounds southern to me. I have never "advised" anyone "to be rested." I say things like "get a good night's sleep" or "get some sleep." I don't think I ever use the word "rested" come to think of it.

    I realize this is all stuff that's been said before, but I've always thought this sentence was the one that set off the "not-an-intruder" light in my head.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Voice of Reason
    I always found the statement "I advise you to be rested" to be a very significant statement. It seems so out of place. Why would a kidnapper/molester/extortionist/murderer/whatever-you-want-to-call-him care if the Ramseys were rested? It sounds more like a wife speaking to her husband.

    Also, the word choice sounds southern to me. I have never "advised" anyone "to be rested." I say things like "get a good night's sleep" or "get some sleep." I don't think I ever use the word "rested" come to think of it.

    I realize this is all stuff that's been said before, but I've always thought this sentence was the one that set off the "not-an-intruder" light in my head.
    It is a significant statement, thats for sure. "I advise you to be rested" is something a coach or military commander might say. IMO it goes hand in hand with the "Victory!" remark, which "harks back to foreign powers" according to an FBI profiler.

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    IMO I can almost hear PR telling JonBenet that she had to be "well rested" (Such as "We've got to make sure you go to bed early tonight so you will be well rested for the pagent.")for an upcoming pagent or event such as that. In a way PR was JonBenet's "coach" for the pagents she was in.



    Quote Originally Posted by Holdontoyourhat
    It is a significant statement, thats for sure. "I advise you to be rested" is something a coach or military commander might say. IMO it goes hand in hand with the "Victory!" remark, which "harks back to foreign powers" according to an FBI profiler.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Voice of Reason
    I always found the statement "I advise you to be rested" to be a very significant statement. It seems so out of place. Why would a kidnapper/molester/extortionist/murderer/whatever-you-want-to-call-him care if the Ramseys were rested? It sounds more like a wife speaking to her husband.

    Also, the word choice sounds southern to me. I have never "advised" anyone "to be rested." I say things like "get a good night's sleep" or "get some sleep." I don't think I ever use the word "rested" come to think of it.

    I realize this is all stuff that's been said before, but I've always thought this sentence was the one that set off the "not-an-intruder" light in my head.
    I have always speculated that with all the information in the RN,like fat cat,$118,000.00,etc.,that "advise you to be well rested",was another "inside" bit of information.Perhaps,that was something John said often.John traveled alot,and somtimes piloted his own plane,and maybe it was a private joke, because John always said he needed rest or sleep,or needs to be well rested because he's going to be piloting his plane early for a trip.

    Just another little tidbit the author of the RN left for John to let him know .... "I know you John,but you don't know me." A taunt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ellen13
    Hi everyone. I know things got a little crazy with our fly by night poster, but I did get two things out of it that you all discussed. Since that thread is closed, I wanted to bring it up here, so here it is:

    I had never thought about the words "bring" instead of take and "monitor" instead of "watch." It's a big deal where I live to "bring" something with me when I'm going there (only if I'm on my way)
    ie: My friend reminded me to bring the wine to her house because she was there already.
    However, if it was someone else telling me, they would say, remember to take
    the wine with you. So, even if it doesn't point to the person he indicated, it does make me even more suspicious of who wrote the note, like they plotting out a scene in a movie, not truly thinking from the perspective of a kidnapper

    Secondly, monitor and watch are two very different words. I monitor things from my computer or even my workplace. But, when you're looking for something or someone outside, you are watching them, not monitoring them if you are on the inside.
    Honestly, the analyzation of these words just makes me think that the two people I thought all along were doing a cover-up. Very interesting to really look at the words in the RN. Even how it changes to "we" to "I." I think a good exercize would be to sit down (all of us) and re-write the note ourselves and see what other realizations we have!!! Have any of you ever sat down
    and re-wrote that note? I have not, but I'm going to. Like someone always posts and I forget who it it, "The devil is in the details."
    Excellent points, ellen!
    Re 'bring' and 'take': My native language is German, and German doesn't make the distinction between 'bring' and 'take'. And I remember from my English language courses that we are to use 'take' when it means in a direction away from the speaker. Ex: "I'll take the letter to the post office"/"Please remember to take the letter to the post office."
    Whereas we are to use 'bring' when it means in a direction toward the speaker. Ex: "Please remember to bring me those cookies."/"Have you brought the letter with you?"

    And yes indeed, the writer(s) of the ransom note obviously did not have the perspective of a kidnapper because in that case they would have said "please remember to take an adequate size attache to the bank."
    So he/she/they did not have the perspective of a kidnapper because there was no kidnapper - a very convincing conclusion.
    Remarkable also that the note starts off with "We are a group", and then then suddenly switches to "I". Wow! Should raise a thousand red flags too.
    It seems like the panicky writer of the ransom note forgot what he/she had put on paper a few sentences before.

    Excellent point too about using the word 'monitor' in that note in an inappropriate context. ITA!

    Many, many clues point to that ransom note being a total bogus note, and a very poorly concocted bogus note.

    But what beats everything in that note imo is the sentence "The two gentlemen watching over your daughter". Ever heard of a kidnapper calling anyone of their kind 'gentlemen'? LOL!
    And some sentences later, the ransom note threatens that these 'gentlemen' will 'behead' JonBenet in case her parents don't follow the kidnapper's instructions? ROFL - this borders on the comical: 'gentlemen' suddenly switching into murderish action - priceless!
    Somehing else strikes me as odd too: the ransom note specifically mentions "two gentlemen watching over your daughter". Why would a kidnapper/kidnappers mention the number of people watching over JonBenet? This is completely irrelevant info.
    JMPO, but these "two gentlemen" allegedly "watching over your daughter" are no one else than Patsy and John Ramsey, and in writing the ransom note, gave themselves away by using 'genteel' Southern words like 'gentlemen' in a context in which it was not appropriate.
    And they were not 'watching over' their daughter JonBenet who was alive, but tragically, they were 'watching over' the dead body of JB for whose death they were responsible, until the body would be discovered.

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    Rashomon - totally off topic, but I wanted to applaud your English! It is AMAZING - good for you!! I am not fluent in any other language, but I am going to make darn sure my children are.

    YAY for you!
    Above is my opinion only

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    Quote Originally Posted by rashomon
    Excellent points, ellen!
    Re 'bring' and 'take': My native language is German, and German doesn't make the distinction between 'bring' and 'take'. And I remember from my English language courses that we are to use 'take' when it means in a direction away from the speaker. Ex: "I'll take the letter to the post office"/"Please remember to take the letter to the post office."
    Whereas we are to use 'bring' when it means in a direction toward the speaker. Ex: "Please remember to bring me those cookies."/"Have you brought the letter with you?"

    And yes indeed, the writer(s) of the ransom note obviously did not have the perspective of a kidnapper because in that case they would have said "please remember to take an adequate size attache to the bank."
    So he/she/they did not have the perspective of a kidnapper because there was no kidnapper - a very convincing conclusion.
    Remarkable also that the note starts off with "We are a group", and then then suddenly switches to "I". Wow! Should raise a thousand red flags too.
    It seems like the panicky writer of the ransom note forgot what he/she had put on paper a few sentences before.

    Excellent point too about using the word 'monitor' in that note in an inappropriate context. ITA!

    Many, many clues point to that ransom note being a total bogus note, and a very poorly concocted bogus note.

    But what beats everything in that note imo is the sentence "The two gentlemen watching over your daughter". Ever heard of a kidnapper calling anyone of their kind 'gentlemen'? LOL!
    And some sentences later, the ransom note threatens that these 'gentlemen' will 'behead' JonBenet in case her parents don't follow the kidnapper's instructions? ROFL - this borders on the comical: 'gentlemen' suddenly switching into murderish action - priceless!
    Somehing else strikes me as odd too: the ransom note specifically mentions "two gentlemen watching over your daughter". Why would a kidnapper/kidnappers mention the number of people watching over JonBenet? This is completely irrelevant info.
    JMPO, but these "two gentlemen" allegedly "watching over your daughter" are no one else than Patsy and John Ramsey, and in writing the ransom note, gave themselves away by using 'genteel' Southern words like 'gentlemen' in a context in which it was not appropriate.
    And they were not 'watching over' their daughter JonBenet who was alive, but tragically, they were 'watching over' the dead body of JB for whose death they were responsible, until the body would be discovered.
    Rash-
    Good point on the word gentlemen. You'd almost think if she were alive, they would have said, the two gentlement who have her in their possession or who are watching her, not watching over her as if she were dead-good pick up Rashomon!!
    Ellen

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brefie
    Rashomon - totally off topic, but I wanted to applaud your English! It is AMAZING - good for you!! I am not fluent in any other language, but I am going to make darn sure my children are.

    YAY for you!
    Rashomon

    Brefie's right, good for you!!
    Your English is excellent, I would never have known it wasn't your first language!
    I always enjoy your posts btw and must thank you for the chuckle in your last one, you're right, the ransom note is bordering on comical.
    I can't believe anyone would think that note was real and that it was really the work of a foreign faction.

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    I actually noticed this the other night when on the other thread about John's handwriting. I thought that the use of the word "bring" sounds like someone talking in the first person (correct term?). Talking accidentally about their own self.

    Also, the use of the word "might" in the sentence about if they follow all the instructions, the kidnappers "might" arrange and earlier pick up. The use of the word might doesn't sound like something a foreign faction would use, but someone from the South.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Voice of Reason
    Also, the word choice sounds southern to me. I have never "advised" anyone "to be rested." I say things like "get a good night's sleep" or "get some sleep." I don't think I ever use the word "rested" come to think of it.
    I agree, VOR. We Southerners use the word "rested" very often. Even this morning already, my spouse asked if I felt "rested".

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    Kids Wrote It

    IMO the numerous absurdities in the fake ransom note can be better understood if you can picture two highly intelligent 10-year-old boys, raised properly with manners, desperately collaborating in writing a note to cast suspicion away from themselves, and perhaps a somewhat older accomplice.

    BlueCrab

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueCrab
    IMO the numerous absurdities in the fake ransom note can be better understood if you can picture two highly intelligent 10-year-old boys, raised properly with manners, desperately collaborating in writing a note to cast suspicion away from themselves, and perhaps a somewhat older accomplice.

    BlueCrab
    Or could it had been one or two intelligent adults who were intoxicated from a christmas party desperately collaborating in writing a note to cast suspicion away from oneself or themselves?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PalmettoSprings
    Or could it had been one or two intelligent adults who were intoxicated from a christmas party desperately collaborating in writing a note to cast suspicion away from oneself or themselves?

    PalmettoSprings,

    Possibly, but to me the note with all of its threats and movie adages has male juvenile written all over it. And in the 1998 interviews even John Ramsey said:

    "The ransom note seemed childish, in terms of a young person."

    BlueCrab

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueCrab
    PalmettoSprings,

    Possibly, but to me the note with all of its threats and movie adages has male juvenile written all over it. And in the 1998 interviews even John Ramsey said:

    "The ransom note seemed childish, in terms of a young person."

    BlueCrab
    'even JR said'

    Is JR a linguistics expert? I thought he was a CEO? What do actual linguistic experts say about the RN anyway?

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