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    Baby Pageants

    On Ricki Lake..11:15 EST..now..

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    Ricky was not too hard on the baby pageant moms,the kids were certainly overdone,in the way of Jonbenet,and the mother's spoke with the southern "draw". Soccer mom..little league dad...cheerleader parent...all pretty much the same IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sissi
    Ricky was not too hard on the baby pageant moms,the kids were certainly overdone,in the way of Jonbenet,and the mother's spoke with the southern "draw". Soccer mom..little league dad...cheerleader parent...all pretty much the same IMO.
    No, they're not pretty much the same. Yes, it is the same when one takes their child to the activities of their choice.

    It's quite different in the levels they take it to

    Soccer mom = okay
    Soccer mom who browbeats their child after losing = NOT okay

    Little league dad = okay
    Little league dad who gets into fistfights with other parents and umpires = NOT okay

    Cheerleader parent = okay
    Cheerleader parent who murders the mother of a cheerleading competitor = NOT okay

    Pageant mom = okay
    Pageant mom who bleaches the hair of a 6 year old, spends thousands of dollars on showgirl costumes, dance and singing lessons, denies it's more than a "few Sunday afternoons", worries about a photo shoot when their child has chicken pox marks on her face, etc., etc. = NOT okay

    So there are, in fact, differences and they are all not alike or the same at all.

    For the record: I never felt the pageants had anything to do with the murder, but always wondered why Patsy played it down. Pageants for children are not something I find acceptable on those levels, but I never held that against the Ramseys when discussing this murder.

    But once again, Patsy's denial of the importance of the pageants in their life sent my suspicions soaring as she showed herself to be a liar. One then wonders what else she lied/s about.
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    I think Patsy was embarrassed when she realized what many other people thought of kiddie pageants and JBR's performances in them. I think that's why she tends to play them down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maxi
    I think Patsy was embarrassed when she realized what many other people thought of kiddie pageants and JBR's performances in them. I think that's why she tends to play them down.
    Agreed

    Patsy is the type of person who would be embarrassed by what others might think. That is one of the reasons I felt this whole "perfect marriage", "perfect children", "perfect family life", was silly. NOBODY has a PERFECT marriage, child, or family. We just don't necessarily know the details.

    So that is why this whole "no history of...", perfect marriage and family stuff was always nonsense to me
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    Quote Originally Posted by Barbara
    Agreed

    Patsy is the type of person who would be embarrassed by what others might think. That is one of the reasons I felt this whole "perfect marriage", "perfect children", "perfect family life", was silly. NOBODY has a PERFECT marriage, child, or family. We just don't necessarily know the details.

    So that is why this whole "no history of...", perfect marriage and family stuff was always nonsense to me
    So right Barbara! It falls right into the Ramseys' main priority since JonBenet died - not to find the killer (they weren't even angry John said on CNN) - but to regain their reputation. Their good name. Their book is rife with comments about it. Particularly by John Ramsey. Their actions in the past 7 years speak for themselves. They do not spend their time like most parents of murdered children: helping to changing laws, joining support groups to help other parents like "Parents of Murdered Children" (we've never heard of them doing any such thing), their 'foundation' in JonBenet's name has apparently fizzled and dried up, and I often wonder if Patsy ever calls some of these other moms like Brenda VanDam to offer her support and 'kinship'??

    They seem to spend most of their efforts and time on SUING people who suspect them. Again - putting all their energies into restoring their name and getting the public to believe they are innocent (strong-arming them if necessary) instead of looking for the killer of their daughter.
    Even their book titled" "Death of Innocence" had THEIR picture on the cover - not JonBenet's!!!! Isn't SHE the innocent one who died?? That has always just flabbergasted me.
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    I am readin from a link provided on this forum about Linda H-P. It says, even boldly printed in red, that Nedra was more of a planner and more into it than PR was. Those are in LHP's words? Then why is PR getting all the flack for this?

    It also stated that if JonBenet didn't want to go, Patsy didn't make her. Doesn't sound like an obsessive pageant mom to me....

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    Quote Originally Posted by little1
    Doesn't sound like an obsessive pageant mom to me....
    Ofcourse not. Patsy was invited along with dozens of other former contestants to a reunion dinner. She attended and as did so many others they brought along their kids. JonBenet loved it and wanted to do it. They had the time, inclination and money to indulge her. But that doesn't make it some big deal. Making costumes was a labor of love. AuntPam enjoyed it much as many of the posters here would enjoy sewing a patch on a kid's costume or donning spangles on some leotard for some tot's Jazzercise.

    Now if you really want to see 'bad' in a pageant: look at what happens if even one of you posters out there who are unalterably opposed to such kiddie pageants happened to find yourself at one.

    Would you "sit on your hands" throughout the entire performance while everyone else clapped? Would you say ''Too bad, beauty is out and brains are in"? Thats what Pricilla White did. When each little girl made her entry and exit, everyone in the room applauded, but Pricilla White just sat there. Thats not even polite if it is just adults, but when its a series of little girls, its more than just rude.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toth
    Ofcourse not. Patsy was invited along with dozens of other former contestants to a reunion dinner. She attended and as did so many others they brought along their kids. JonBenet loved it and wanted to do it. They had the time, inclination and money to indulge her. But that doesn't make it some big deal. Making costumes was a labor of love. AuntPam enjoyed it much as many of the posters here would enjoy sewing a patch on a kid's costume or donning spangles on some leotard for some tot's Jazzercise.

    Now if you really want to see 'bad' in a pageant: look at what happens if even one of you posters out there who are unalterably opposed to such kiddie pageants happened to find yourself at one.

    Would you "sit on your hands" throughout the entire performance while everyone else clapped? Would you say ''Too bad, beauty is out and brains are in"? Thats what Pricilla White did. When each little girl made her entry and exit, everyone in the room applauded, but Pricilla White just sat there. Thats not even polite if it is just adults, but when its a series of little girls, its more than just rude.
    Were you there Toth? Did you SEE Pricislla White refuse to clap at these pageants? How then can you make such a claim?
    Again as always - you will refuse to name a source. I think I'll try a Toth here:

    John Ramsey was an absent father to his children. Burke especially would sometimes cry because his father rebuffed his many attempts to get his father to interact with him. Burke finally gave up and viewed his father more as an occasional visitor more than anything and it eventually affected his social skills.
    Patsy didn't really care one way or another and JonBenet had the full focus of her mother on her so she didn't really want for attention.

    I don't have to name a source because Toth never does.
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    Toth, I agree that if Priscilla White did that, it was rude. She shouldn't have gone if that's how she felt. But...I've never heard that story before. Who told it to you?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ivy
    Toth, I agree that if Priscilla White did that, it was rude. She shouldn't have gone if that's how she felt. But...I've never heard that story before. Who told it to you?
    Good question Ivy, I have done a ton of reading including enough newpaper articles to make me crosseyed. I have never read that quoted about Priscilla anywhere. If she didn't clap at least she wasn't being a hypocrite, however, she was being a friend by attending.

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    Maybe her hands hurt that night. Or, maybe she got a bad manicure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Little
    I have never read that quoted about Priscilla anywhere.
    Its never been published anywhere. This was from the time Priscilla attended because her daughter wanted to watch JonBenet perform.
    Priscilla obviously did not enjoy the event.

    And in response to your questions: NO. I was not there. However this is from reliable sources who were there! Sitting near Pricilla White at the time.

    AuntPam told me about this a long time ago in one of our many chats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toth
    Its never been published anywhere. This was from the time Priscilla attended because her daughter wanted to watch JonBenet perform.
    Priscilla obviously did not enjoy the event.

    And in response to your questions: NO. I was not there. However this is from reliable sources who were there! Sitting near Pricilla White at the time.

    AuntPam told me about this a long time ago in one of our many chats.
    And we inch closer to the truth Toth.....
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    "Making costumes was a labor of love. AuntPam enjoyed it much as many of the posters here would enjoy sewing a patch on a kid's costume or donning spangles on some leotard for some tot's Jazzercise"

    Are you saying that "Aunt Pam" made JonBenet"s costumes? I thought the costume maker was Pam Griffith.
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