Page 1 of 3 1 2 3 LastLast
Results 1 to 15 of 41
  1. #1
    Join Date
    Sep 2004
    Posts
    4,979

    CA - Lompoc - White Female 205UFCA, 16-25, Aug 1969 - near quarry on Hwy 1

    Unidentified White Female
    Located on August 3, 1969 near a quarry on Highway 1, south of Lompoc, Santa Barbara County, California.
    The victim died from multiple stab wounds and a slit throat.

    Vital Statistics

    Estimated age: 16 - 25 years old
    Approximate Height and Weight: 5'4"; 125 lbs.
    Distinguishing Characteristics: Shoulder-length brown hair dyed a reddish blonde; blue eyes. She had pierced ears.
    Dentals: Available. She had current dental work and "buck teeth". 19 fillings done within the year or two preceding her death. Based on her dental work, investigators surmised that she may have come from abroad.
    Clothing: She was wearing sandals with a gold colored buckle, a blue blouse and what appeared to be homemade white pants decorated with a blue floral print, they were hip hugger bell bottons. The clothing appeared consistent with that worn by youth during this time period. She wore horseshoe shaped gold earrings.
    Fingerprints: Available. (Poor quality)
    Pants Daisy Pattern and Victim's Bucked Teeth

    Case History
    The victim lay a few feet down an embankment, her body dragged there across dust and scrub brush and dumped behind a cluster of rocks within sight of old Highway 1.
    Investigators believe she was killed there. She was stabbed numerous times.

    Investigators
    If you have any information concerning this case, please contact:
    Santa Barbara County Sheriff's Department
    Cold Case Unit Detective Charles Cooley 805-681-4150
    mailto:rcc0505@sbsheriff.org</B>

    NCIC Number: U-763720372
    Please refer to this number when contacting any agency with information regarding this case.

    Source Information
    Santa Barbara County Sheriff's Department
    The Associated Press
    The Doe Network: Case File 205UFCA

    Link:

    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/205ufca.html
    Last edited by SheWhoMustNotBeNamed; 06-19-2011 at 07:50 PM. Reason: updated link


  2. #2
    Join Date
    Sep 2004
    Posts
    4,979

    Victim of John Norman Collins?

    Serial killer John Norman Collins, of Michigan, was visiting California in June and July of 1969. It is believed that he murdered a 17-year-old girl named Roxie Ann Phillips on 30 June. She was from Milwaukie, Oregon and was visiting relatives in Salinas, CA before continuing on to Lompoc, CA, where she was to meet up with her father and stepmother.

    Collins was in the area with a friend, Andrew Manuel. They had driven out from Michigan and were staying in a stolen camping trailer. Collins drove a shiny gray or silver Oldsmobile with black interior and Michigan plates. The car was later taken into evidence in Michigan. Although he had cleaned it very thoroughly, traces of type O blood were found in it when police checked it on 5 August 1969.

    It was known conclusively that Collins had met Roxie Phillips and had driven her to the home where she was staying in Salinas. He even went into the house with her and met another resident of the house. Although nobody saw him with Roxie on the day of her murder, later evidence tied him to the crime. Roxie was strangled to death with a piece of her clothing, and a piece of that same clothing was found in Collins' car. Roxie's body was found in a ravine near Carmel on 13 July 1969. Some of her personal items were found in various places along the route 68 roadside.

    Roxie Ann Phillips was five feet six inches tall, weighed 130 pounds, hazel eyes, fair skin, shoulder-length coppery blond hair. She was last seen wearing a short red pants dress with small white floral design, matching fabric belt, full sleeves with white cuffs, white collar, white sandals, and carrying a large straw tote bag. When her body was found, she was wearing only the white sandals, and had a portion of her cloth belt wrapped around her neck.

    Collins is known to have murdered seven young women and girls in the Ann Arbor area of Michigan between 1967 and 1969. Collins disposed of his victims in places where they would be found fairly easily.

    Andrew Manuel had family connections in California and friends in Arizona. The two men parked their stolen camping trailer on the property of a relative of Manuel and left it behind when they left the Salinas area. They drove back to Michigan together, but it is not known what route they took.

    Collins and Manuel returned to Michigan from their California visit by 23 July 1969, the date of his last known Michigan murder. Manuel left Michigan almost immediately afterward, taking a bus first to California, and next to Phoenix, AZ where he was picked up on 6 Aug 1969.

    The Lompoc Jane Doe was discovered on 3 August 1969. Could she have been murdered before 23 July? Lompoc, CA was just down the road from Salinas, and it was the intended destination of Roxie Phillips. It is possible that Roxie spoke of Lompoc to Collins. Collins liked to taunt families of his Michigan victims. Could he have gone to Lompoc to do that?

    The case summary indicates that the Lompoc Jane Doe's throat was cut and that she had numerous stab wounds. This is consistant with wounds found on some of Collins' known vicitms. A knife with a four inch blade belonging to Collins was taken into evidence by Michigan police, but it had been wiped clean of any prints or blood.

    Collins is currently incarcerated in Marquette Prison in Michigan on a Life Sentence for Murder. The current wherabouts of Andrew Manuel are not known.


  3. #3
    Join Date
    Sep 2004
    Posts
    4,979

    Inmate data on John Norman Collins

    The below information comes from the Michigan Inmate Locator. Click on the link at the end to see photo and some sentencing information. Collins was called "The Co-ed Murderer" and his crimes are sometimes refered to as "The Michigan Murders".

    ----------------------------

    Name: John Norman Collins
    Michigan DOC Number: 126833
    SID number 0638739H
    Race: White
    Gender: Male
    Hair: Brown
    Eyes: Blue
    Height: 6' 0"
    weight: 224 lbs.
    Date of birth: 6/17/1947 (58)
    Photo taken: 3/15/2005
    MDOC STATUS
    Current Status:
    Prisoner Earliest Release Date: LIFE
    Assigned Location: Marquette Branch Prison
    Maximum Discharge Date: LIFE
    Security Level: V

    Source Information:
    Offender Tracking Information System (OTIS) - Offender Profile
    Link:
    http://www.state.mi.us/mdoc/asp/otis...cNumber=126833


  4. #4
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    West "By God" Virginia
    Posts
    538
    richard;;;thats a pretty good post i read about that collins man on a other site....if iam not mistaken i think some people has tryed to tag this case to zodiac killer too how successfull they are i don't know


  5. #5
    Join Date
    Aug 2003
    Posts
    3,332
    Did they ever link the type O blood to either of those girls?


  6. #6
    Join Date
    Sep 2004
    Posts
    4,979

    Trace Blood Evidence...

    Quote Originally Posted by gardenmom
    Did they ever link the type O blood to either of those girls?
    The Trace blood found in Collins' car on 5 August 1969 was never matched specifically to anyone. This was in the days before anyone knew about DNA. But Blood type was often considered when trying to tie a criminal to a crime.

    Of Collins' seven known Michigan victims, only one - Alison Kalom, murdered the evening of 8 June or very early morning 9 June 1969 - had type O blood.

    Police in Salinas, CA took blood samples from Roxie Phillips, but they did not keep them and did not type them, so her blood type was unknown. I do not know if the Lompoc Jane Doe's blood was typed, but if later DNA samples were obtained from her and IF Michigan State Police still have a sample of that Type O blood to test...


  7. #7
    Join Date
    Sep 2004
    Posts
    4,979

    Santa Barbara County Sheriff Website Info on Lompoc Jane Doe...

    The below information comes from the official website of the Santa Barbara County Sheriff Office. Note that no eye color is mentioned and that the body had to be exhumed and the skull used by a forensic artist to obtain the composite of her possible appearance.

    -----------------------------------------------------------------------
    On Sunday, August 3, 1969 the body of a murder victim was found by hunters near a quarry on Highway 1, south of Lompoc. The victim's identity was not established following a lengthy investigation, hence the "Jane Doe" identity. She died from multiple stab wounds.

    Jane Doe is described as being a white female between 16-25 years of age, approximately 5'4" tall, about 125 pounds and medium-brown colored shoulder length hair. Jane Doe had pierced ears, current dental work and most notably, "bucked teeth". Jane Doe was wearing what appeared to be home-made clothing with a flower print. The clothing appeared consistent with that worn by youth during this time period.

    Jane Doe's remains were buried at the Lompoc Cemetery in 1969. In 2001, Sheriff Department Detectives exhumed Jane Doe's remains. Tissue samples were obtained for DNA comparison purposes. Jane Doe's skull and jaw were sent to a Forensic Reconstruction Artist, who created a rendition of Jane Doe's appearance.

    Link:

    http://www.sbsheriff.org/mw/janedoe.html


  8. #8
    Join Date
    Nov 2005
    Location
    Ohio
    Posts
    1,357
    This Jane Doe resembles Dixie Lee Arenson, from doe network case file 1734dfca, disappeared August 1968.


  9. #9
    Join Date
    Sep 2004
    Posts
    4,979

    Zodiac?

    Quote Originally Posted by welder 79
    richard;;;thats a pretty good post i read about that collins man on a other site....if iam not mistaken i think some people has tryed to tag this case to zodiac killer too how successfull they are i don't know
    I have not seen any previous connections between Lompoc Jane Doe and Zodiac, although you make a good point and such a connection might be possible.

    Zodiac was operating in the Vallejo, CA area about this same time and on 5 July 1969, committed one of his better documented/witnessed attacks. He shot two people that day, and one survived to describe him to police. His next known attack took place on 27 September 1969, at Lake Berryessa, CA, when he again attacked two people (this time with a knife). Again, one of the victims survived to describe him.

    Zodiac began his series of letters and messages to the newspapers on 31 July 1969, only three days before this girl in Lompoc was discovered. However, he never mentioned her or claimed credit for her killing.

    From his first suspected murder in 1966 through the end of 1969, all of Zodiac's victims were clothed. Beginning in March 1970, and continuing on through out his reign of terror, most of his victims were found without clothes, or only partially clothed.


  10. #10
    Join Date
    Sep 2004
    Posts
    4,979

    Missing girl...

    Quote Originally Posted by Hollow
    This Jane Doe resembles Dixie Lee Arenson, from doe network case file 1734dfca, disappeared August 1968.
    Yes, there is a resemblence, and most of the description seems to fit. I have a problem connecting them for two reasons; first the circumstances of her disappearance seem to indicate that a forcible abduction took place on 25 August 1968, and second that the discovery of Lompoc Jane Doe was almost a full year later on 3 August 1969.

    This is one of those instances, where it would be worth while questioning whether or not the "missing date" is correct.


  11. #11
    Join Date
    Sep 2004
    Posts
    4,979

    More on Collins...

    John Norman Collins: The Co-Ed Killer -- from Crime Library

    The First Body
    "A body found yesterday afternoon on a Superior Township farm was tentatively identified as that of a 19-year-old Eastern Michigan University coed who disappeared without a trace July 9."This report in the Ann Arbor News on Tuesday, August 8th, 1967 described the first of a string of coed murders in the Ypsilanti/Ann Arbor area of Michigan over the next two years. The body was that of Mary Fleszar, 19, who was last seen by a roommate when she left their apartment near the university campus to go for a walk. She was wearing a bright orange tent dress with large white polka dots, and a pair of sandals. She was five foot two, weighing about 110 pounds, wore glasses, and had brown hair. She had not taken her purse, but her car keys were gone, and her car was parked across from where she normally left it, which her mother thought was odd....

    Link:
    http://www.crimelibrary.com/serial_k...ns/body_1.html


  12. #12
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    West "By God" Virginia
    Posts
    538
    Richard;;; i would only take that zodiac point of view lightly, some people got zodiac up like some kind of super mass murder..they have tryed to pin every murder from jack the ripper to the present on him..mostly if you notice go right back to please buy my book then i will explain everything and then they can't and then buy my next better book or pay for my web page...there people is or trying to make a very good living off this zodiac nut. i been on that zodiac killer web site and some of them people run's it can't produce no fact's or evidence but they say they expert's and everybody else is to dumb to get out of the rain..my thought's are police knowed who he was! he's dead! police never could get enough evidence to arrest him!! ... THIS only my PERSONAL THOUGHT"S on the matter.. shame on people try to make a living off some poor people that got killed and the keeping there family upset clear to this day they even called 1 family member such bad name's i will not repeat them on this site...this is only my personal thought's


  13. The Following User Says Thank You to welder 79 For This Useful Post:


  14. #13
    Join Date
    Sep 2004
    Posts
    4,979

    Looking back...

    Quote Originally Posted by welder 79
    i would only take that zodiac point of view lightly, some people got zodiac up like some kind of super mass murder..they have tryed to pin every murder from jack the ripper to the present on him..
    One technique or option to cold case investigators is to take a look at some serial killers who may have been in the area and look for similarities in their MO and that of the unsolved crime. You obviously cannot do this with blinders on. There are many other possibilities. But you have to look at each of them, and seriously consider the possibility that a given murder might have been the work of a known serial killer.

    The problem is that serial killers seldom walk around with a nametag identifying them. A few, like Bundy, Rifkin, Gaskins, and other such maggots were proud of their work, but seldom would give up all of their victims, prefering to play games right up to the end. Many more serial killers are in jail on only one conviction. Police might suspect them of other killngs, but could not prove it with the evidence. These should be better profiled and their past travels made known.

    I agree, there are those who tend to see all evidence in any crime as fitting their favorite suspect. You have to put each possible suspect through that sort of scrutiny, but in the end you have to weigh the pros and cons, and keep the mind open to other possibilities as well.

    If you read the links on Collins, you will see that Michigan Police thought the (then still unidentified) "Co-ed Killer" had struck again in early July 1969. But careful investigating proved that a recently released convict had killed the girl. He had been in prison when the first two killings in the series occurred. Shortly after that man's arrest, Collins was captured and it became aparent that he had actually been in California when that one Michigan murder had taken place.


  15. #14
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    West "By God" Virginia
    Posts
    538
    Quote Originally Posted by Richard
    One technique or option to cold case investigators is to take a look at some serial killers who may have been in the area and look for similarities in their MO and that of the unsolved crime. You obviously cannot do this with blinders on. There are many other possibilities. But you have to look at each of them, and seriously consider the possibility that a given murder might have been the work of a known serial killer.

    The problem is that serial killers seldom walk around with a nametag identifying them. A few, like Bundy, Rifkin, Gaskins, and other such maggots were proud of their work, but seldom would give up all of their victims, prefering to play games right up to the end. Many more serial killers are in jail on only one conviction. Police might suspect them of other killngs, but could not prove it with the evidence. These should be better profiled and their past travels made known.

    I agree, there are those who tend to see all evidence in any crime as fitting their favorite suspect. You have to put each possible suspect through that sort of scrutiny, but in the end you have to weigh the pros and cons, and keep the mind open to other possibilities as well.

    If you read the links on Collins, you will see that Michigan Police thought the (then still unidentified) "Co-ed Killer" had struck again in early July 1969. But careful investigating proved that a recently released convict had killed the girl. He had been in prison when the first two killings in the series occurred. Shortly after that man's arrest, Collins was captured and it became aparent that he had actually been in California when that one Michigan murder had taken place.
    I personally know very little about you Richard but what you have posted i read with great interest. i think you really know a lot about this type of investigation work. and i highly respect your opinion and look forward to reading your post...about all i can say is you need a little pat on the back every once in a while and keep up the very good work you do. because i think it's very good work and hopefully i will learn a little from you.


  16. #15
    Join Date
    Sep 2004
    Posts
    4,979

    1969 Coed Murders...

    There was a recent television show about the trial of a man who was linked by DNA to one of the young women believed to be a Collins Victim. The man was convicted based on DNA alone, although there was other DNA on the victim which was linked to a man who was only a small child at the time.

    Does anyone have any links to that story?


Page 1 of 3 1 2 3 LastLast

Similar Threads

  1. CA CA - Oakland - WhtFem 333UFCA, 16-23, Killer Known, Oct'69
    By Richard in forum The Unidentified
    Replies: 25
    Last Post: 06-10-2015, 12:37 AM
  2. Identified! SC - Darlington County - WhtFem (112UFSC), 19-35, Aug 2000 - Michelle Haggadone
    By PonderingThings in forum Identified!
    Replies: 108
    Last Post: 06-05-2015, 04:18 PM
  3. Replies: 147
    Last Post: 01-09-2015, 11:25 AM
  4. Replies: 3
    Last Post: 02-05-2012, 06:48 PM
  5. Replies: 12
    Last Post: 10-23-2011, 07:35 PM

Tags for this Thread

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •