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    NY - Cesilia Pena, 14, New York City, 6 October 1976

    http://www.nyc.gov/html/nypd/html/mi...ilia_pena.html

    DESCRIPTION

    Sex: Female
    Race: White Hispanic
    Height: 4' 9"
    Weight: 111 lbs.
    Body Type:
    Complexion:
    Eyes: Brown
    Hair: Black

    Distinguishing Features: Scar on left forearm.

    Last seen 10/06/76 riding home from school on subway wearing parochial school uniform: light gray jacket, gray plaid skirt and white blouse

    http://www.pennsylvaniamissing.com/pages/8/index.htm
    Last edited by Cubby; 09-24-2010 at 09:08 PM. Reason: remove ruled out pos mtch.

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    Cesilia Pena was 14 at the time of her disapearance.I looked because she almost looked too young in her picture,Then I realized she was older than she appeared to be.

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    Pa.

    I was on RTE 80 in NJ heading to Pa last sunday and took note how many different State tags there are on the road. Then i looked into the mountains with the leaves down . Its really steep mountains and ravens deep woods nothing you would see that far back in the summer.
    Also i remembered how common it is for teenagers to go up in that area in the summertime to rent tubes and rafts in the 70's 80;s and 90's. Lots of campsites and canoes. Its really isolated. So much water.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ihadcabinfever
    I was on RTE 80 in NJ heading to Pa last sunday and took note how many different State tags there are on the road. Then i looked into the mountains with the leaves down . Its really steep mountains and ravens deep woods nothing you would see that far back in the summer.
    Also i remembered how common it is for teenagers to go up in that area in the summertime to rent tubes and rafts in the 70's 80;s and 90's. Lots of campsites and canoes. Its really isolated. So much water.
    remind's me of where i live.. just about the same type of area......iam not too good on this type of work but i got goose bump's when i read about that newspaper that was used..that's so close its was spooky...i hope someone better than me see's this thread and give's it the investigation its need's.... you doing a fine job...

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    writing on hand

    Details of Disappearance
    Pena was a student at St. Alphonsus Commercial High School in the New York City borough of lower Manhattan in 1976. Her family resided in the borough of the Bronx. Pena used the subway as her means of transportation to and from school. When returning home on her normal route, Pena took the Number Two Train at the 149th Street station in Manhattan. She would travel five stops down the line to her exit at the Simpson Street station in the Bronx. Pena took the Number 5 bus from that subway stop to her family's home every school day. Pena was last seen by her friends at the 149th Street station between 3:00 and 4:00 p.m. on October 6, 1976. She never arrived at her residence that day and has not been heard from again. A witness came forward several days after Pena initially vanished and told her family that she had seen Pena on October 6 after the final reported sighting. The witness stated that Pena was on the corner of 163rd Street and Southern Boulevard with a resident of the Bronx named Anthony Flores. Flores, whose nickname is Rudy, was holding Pena by her arm. Pena appeared frightened of him.


    wondering if this writing could have been the subway and bus route route she would take home written on her hand?



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    Cesilia will have been missing 34 years next month. Come home soon sweetie.

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    Missing for 35 years...

    Cesilia Pena has been missing for 35 years now.

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    Time for Cesilia to come home........praying that someone would do the right thing and tell what they know

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    Cesilia is now 50 years old...


    Cesilia Pena
    Missing 6 October 1976
    From New York, NY

    Vital Statistics

    Age: 14
    DOB: 4 September 1962
    Sex: Female
    Hair: Black
    Eyes: Brown
    Height: 4 ft 9 in
    Weight: 111 lbs

    Source
    National Center for Missing and Exploited Children
    Hotline: 1-800-843-5678


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    I just submitted a PM on her...

    https://www.findthemissing.org/cases/6506/1/

    https://identifyus.org/en/cases/10811

    There isn't much info on the UID (cranium only), other than female, white, age 15-19, found about 3 weeks after Cesilia disappeared. I found it interesting that she was found in the ocean, about 30 minutes south of Boston, and 5-6 miles offshore. Cesilia went missing from NYC, but her presumed abductor had ties to Boston - he abducted Nelida Del Valle from Boston less than 3 months later, and was known in the community (South End, Boston) well enough that he was identified by name by a witness there.

    I'm not too sure about the rate of decomposition, though, maybe someone here can shed some light on it? I would think that even after three weeks, a body would not be fully skeletonized, although I'm not sure what role the water would play in this?

    I'm also not well-read on ocean currents - is it possible that it could travel in either direction, meaning she could have been placed in the ocean from either Boston or NYC?

    Hoping I didn't jump the gun... the names, ages, and location just really jumped out at me.

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    If this case is indeed connected to the Nelida del Valle case in Boston three months later, could the person have abducted Cesilia because, at just 4'9", she may have looked much younger than 14? In other words, he thought she was around the same age as Nelida? From the pictures I've seen on Cesilia, particularly the colorized one where she's wearing a purple top, she definitely looks like an elementary school child than a high school freshman.

    I've heard that many pedophiles and child killers have a specific age bracket of kids they like to target and I wonder if he abducted Cesilia because she looked so much younger.

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    I had a thought about the possible connection between Nelida and Cesilia's disappearances. We know Nelida had a limited command of English (I think I read somewhere that her family were recent immigrants), but do we know if Cesilia was fluent in English? If not and the same person took both girls, could he have been deliberately targeting not just Latina girls, but girls who were vulnerable due to a language barrier?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobby88 View Post
    I had a thought about the possible connection between Nelida and Cesilia's disappearances. We know Nelida had a limited command of English (I think I read somewhere that her family were recent immigrants), but do we know if Cesilia was fluent in English? If not and the same person took both girls, could he have been deliberately targeting not just Latina girls, but girls who were vulnerable due to a language barrier?
    Good points.

    I do think they are connected to the AF person. Too many things fit and witness actually naming the person in 1 of the cases. Wish investigators would go talk with him again and try to get him to tell where they are.

    Getting from Boston to NYC is easy by train. Its an easy commute.

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    I came across this and it seems like the same guy in the same area with the same MO just some years later, but he is named as Antonio Rudy Flores I think its the same guy.. the article also has a couple of typos..

    http://www.nytimes.com/1982/06/03/ny...ct-seized.html

    Published: June 3, 1982

    A suspect was seized last night in the murder of one woman and the rape of another in a South Bronx tenement on March 25, the police said.
    The suspect, 44-year-old Antonio Rudy Flores,
    no permanent address, was arrested by two plainsclothes parole officers about 6 P.M. yesterday evening, according to Paul Young, a spokesman for the State Division of Parole.

    Mr. Flores, who was released from prison in early March after completing a 10-year sentence for rape and kidnapping, was sought in connection with the murder of Margarita Valle-Sanchez, 26, of Brooklyn.

    In that incident, Mrs. Valle-Sanchez and another young woman, who the police declined to identify, were raped after a man lured them to an abandoned tenement in the South Bronx with promises of a job. The man then stabbed one of the women to death after the other escaped by jumping out of a fifth-floor window. The man escaped from the tenement before the police could capture him.

    A Similar Crime
    According to Mr. Young, the parole division was brought into the case when police in the Bronx asked the division if any sex offenders had been recently released from prison. After a search of prison records, parole officers determined that the crime for which Mr. Florio was originally convicted corresponded in description to the March 25 incident. In 1969, Mr. Florio lured a 19-year-old woman into a vacant building in the South Bronx with the promise of a job. He was convicted of second-degree rape and second-degree kidnapping in the incident and sentenced to a term of zero to 15 years. He was released from prison in March.

    Two officers from the parole division, William Kramer and Craig Brooks, who had been staking out a park at East Tremont and University Avenues, spotted Mr. Flores at about 6 P.M. and arrested him after a short struggle, Mr. Young said. He said that Mr. Flores was carrying a seven-inch stiletto.
    Mr. Flores was being held at the 42d Precinct for violation of his parole, said Lieut. Arthur Dallas. Meanwhile, detectives were trying to find witnesses to the March 25 incident for a lineup.
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