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    Vermont asked to take down sex offender registry

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    MONTPELIER, Vt. -- The weekend shooting deaths of two men on Maine's sex offender registry are prompting calls for Vermont's online system to be taken down.


    The American Civil Liberties Union's state chapter argues that the online registry could lead to a similar situation.


    "This is a stark reminder that there's no evidence that online sex offender registries increase public safety," said Allen Gilbert, executive director of the Vermont ACLU. "In fact, they might just do the opposite."


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    I disagree with that article.


    I personally feel that a couple of dead sex offenders does keep society safer.

    Besides, I don't think everyone is running around killing sex offenders.
    Mostly those lists are used by concerned parents to keep their children safe.


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    What Amraann said. I agree.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Opie
    What Amraann said. I agree.
    Yep, me too..what Amraann said


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    People who are determined to kill somebody will choose a target by their own criteria. Sometimes because they don't like them, sometimes because of their smile, their red hair, or because of their political office or because they are on the sex offender list. When presidents get shot, do we do away with the presidential office?
    When the majority of these guys committed their crimes, they knew they would probably end up on the sex offender list if they got caught. They didn't let that stop them, so why should it stop Vermont?
    When they engage in sexual behavior with a child, they knowingly take the risk of ending up on the list. We don't do anything about people who skydive, drive racecars, or do other risky decisions. So why should we protect a person who knowingly committed a criminal act, knowing that he would likely end up on a sexual offender list, and knowing that most people would disapprove of his actions. I don't believe in going out in shooting them. But I don't believe that we need to protect them from their own risky behavior either.
    Just when I think that I have seen the most depraved things a human can do to another human, somebody posts a new story...........

    Why is it that when a custodial parent fails to provide for a child it is called neglect and is a criminal matter. But when a non custodial parent fails to provide it is called failure to support and is a civil matter?


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    mysteriew, to continue your thought, skydiving and race car driving are not illegal, either. If some idiot commits a crime, all bets are off, I say.


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    Quote Originally Posted by mysteriew
    People who are determined to kill somebody will choose a target by their own criteria. Sometimes because they don't like them, sometimes because of their smile, their red hair, or because of their political office or because they are on the sex offender list. When presidents get shot, do we do away with the presidential office?
    When the majority of these guys committed their crimes, they knew they would probably end up on the sex offender list if they got caught. They didn't let that stop them, so why should it stop Vermont?
    When they engage in sexual behavior with a child, they knowingly take the risk of ending up on the list. We don't do anything about people who skydive, drive racecars, or do other risky decisions. So why should we protect a person who knowingly committed a criminal act, knowing that he would likely end up on a sexual offender list, and knowing that most people would disapprove of his actions. I don't believe in going out in shooting them. But I don't believe that we need to protect them from their own risky behavior either.
    Would you also agree then that publicly posting a list of doctors who perform abortions should be legal as well?


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    Here is an explanation of the regristry

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    It is our duty to protect the public.
    It is the duty of state and federal entities to alert the vulnerable population of the release of an individual related to the nature of the offense.
    Public saftey
    The incident that took place on Maine was isolated.
    The registry has been active since 1996.

    The registry is tool that is at hand to further the saftey of society.Take it away and we regress in our saftey of human services instead of progressing.It does not matter if a person is without a computer,they will hear about a predator in their community by word of mouth by someone who did see something online or from a news story.
    The public needs the registry.


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    Quote Originally Posted by duke
    Would you also agree then that publicly posting a list of doctors who perform abortions should be legal as well?

    Big difference IMO!
    I'm against abortions.. but
    a doctor who performs an abortion does it with the consent of the person who is pregnant. They don't go out and find any pregnant woman and
    MAKE her have an abortion!
    A sex offender does not have consent and goes out and finds
    their victim and MAKES them do sexual things!
    It's called free agency.. the freedom to choose.
    And sex offenders do not let their victims choose!


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    2luvmy is offline RIP Ragdoll. You don't get to choose how you're going to die, or when. You can only decide how you're going to live now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by duke
    Would you also agree then that publicly posting a list of doctors who perform abortions should be legal as well?
    I don't personally agree with abortion, however it is legal. Therefore doctor's performing them are not doing anything wrong.

    Sexual predators on the other hand are. They are predators lying in wait for the next opportunity to strike their unsuspecting victim/s without their consent. The registries are a tool to be used by people who want to be informed about the area they or loved ones live in.

    I have found it to be a useful tool. I just learned that my parents had a sexual deviant about 7 doors down from them - in a very nice neighborhood. While we were visiting I was more vigilant about watching my 2 teen daughters and refusing to let them visit that end of the street. I didn't walk down there to confront the freak nor did I drive by to take a look and gawk at him. I knew he was there and that was enough for me.

    These list do more good than bad. Any person intent on killing someone will find a way-be it a registry or not. So are we supposed to take down honor roll lists, prayer chains, employee of the week list, contribution lists, etc. because someone might get a wild hair and target them?


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    Quote Originally Posted by 2luvmy
    Sexual predators on the other hand are. They are predators lying in wait for the next opportunity to strike their unsuspecting victim/s without their consent. The registries are a tool to be used by people who want to be informed about the area they or loved ones live in.
    What about those who want to be informed about the services doctors are providing in their area? Shouldn't they have the right to have a registry as well?


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    2luvmy is offline RIP Ragdoll. You don't get to choose how you're going to die, or when. You can only decide how you're going to live now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by duke
    What about those who want to be informed about the services doctors are providing in their area? Shouldn't they have the right to have a registry as well?

    Sure they have a registry - the phone book!


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    Quote Originally Posted by duke
    Would you also agree then that publicly posting a list of doctors who perform abortions should be legal as well?
    Whether or not a doctor chooses to perform abortions, it is a legal act and done with the perspective mothers consent. So no, I don't think there should be a registry for doctors who perform abortions. They should be free to choose whether or not to advertise that fact.

    But a sex offender who chooses to commit an illegal act, who chooses to force a sexual act on an unwilling or underage victim, is committing a crime. And this particular crime is one where history shows us is usually repeated with the same victim or with many victims. Child abusers and rapists especially target the most vulnerable people in our society. And they do that knowing that if they get caught, they are going to go to court, and if convicted they are going to be put on the sex offenders registry. So in effect, they chose to go on the registry or at least chose to behave in a manner that could require them being put on a registry. I agree with the registries as a way of protecting children and others.

    Before the registries were started, the nay sayers were saying that a registry would endanger the persons who were put on the registry. They predicted the deaths of many of the offenders. Guess what? Hasn't happened. This makes something like 4 murders connected to a registry of tens of thousands. Which actually means they are in less danger from being on the registry, than say if they drive a car- cause if they drive, they also run the risk of an accident and injury or death.
    If they are so afraid of the registry- they can choose to quit their illegal behavior- before they get caught.
    Just when I think that I have seen the most depraved things a human can do to another human, somebody posts a new story...........

    Why is it that when a custodial parent fails to provide for a child it is called neglect and is a criminal matter. But when a non custodial parent fails to provide it is called failure to support and is a civil matter?


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    Quote Originally Posted by mysteriew
    Whether or not a doctor chooses to perform abortions, it is a legal act and done with the perspective mothers consent. So no, I don't think there should be a registry for doctors who perform abortions. They should be free to choose whether or not to advertise that fact.
    But should private citizens be free to create a list if they choose? If not, why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by mysteriew
    But a sex offender who chooses to commit an illegal act, who chooses to force a sexual act on an unwilling or underage victim, is committing a crime. And this particular crime is one where history shows us is usually repeated with the same victim or with many victims. Child abusers and rapists especially target the most vulnerable people in our society. And they do that knowing that if they get caught, they are going to go to court, and if convicted they are going to be put on the sex offenders registry. So in effect, they chose to go on the registry or at least chose to behave in a manner that could require them being put on a registry. I agree with the registries as a way of protecting children and others.
    Yes, much the same way a doctor chooses to perform certain procedures and would therefore be choosing to put himself on a list.

    Quote Originally Posted by mysteriew
    Before the registries were started, the nay sayers were saying that a registry would endanger the persons who were put on the registry. They predicted the deaths of many of the offenders. Guess what? Hasn't happened.
    But it is happening, that's the point of our discussion. And if this is your logic, how many doctors have been killed because they were put on a list?

    Quote Originally Posted by mysteriew
    If they are so afraid of the registry- they can choose to quit their illegal behavior- before they get caught.
    That's right. And if doctors are so afraid of the list, they can stop performing abortions.


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    Quote Originally Posted by duke
    What about those who want to be informed about the services doctors are providing in their area? Shouldn't they have the right to have a registry as well?
    I think that's called "the yellow pages"??

    Actually, here in Pensacola a few years ago someone killed a doctor who performed abortions....I don't think they took doctors names out of the phonebook (registry)


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