03-31-2009, 11:39 PM #46Children don't stop dancing
04-01-2009, 02:19 PM #47
The more I think about this, I think a key ring with only two keys has to be a "spare" key ring, or the key ring of a teenager. A teenager most likely would only have two keys.Children don't stop dancing
04-02-2009, 01:27 PM #48Registered User
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I checked with a friend who has both a 1973 and a 1974 Chevy Pickup. He says that both of those year models had two keys; one for doors and one for ignition.
I have not yet nailed it down in regard to what key or keys that 1971-72 Chevy trucks or vans had.
By the early 1960's all GM cars had two keys - one for ignition and the other for trunk/glove compartment, and later that second one was for doors as well. By the time the blanks looked like the one on the Montgomery County Police website, the rectangle shaped one was for ignition and the oval shaped one was for doors. The exception being that for a few early 1970's years the ignition key on trucks also unlocked the doors.
Dodge trucks and vans used only one key for all throughout the 1970's. Ford trucks and vans were the same up to some point and then they changed to the two key system.
04-03-2009, 10:21 AM #49
Cars-two keys or one?
I am still thinking this could have been a spare ring. Who only has two keys on a ring? Except perhaps a teenager. It is my understanding a teenager could very likely be the perp in this case.Children don't stop dancing
04-06-2009, 01:10 AM #50
There were not trunk openers in teh cars in those days. You HAD to use a key to open the trunk.
04-06-2009, 06:54 AM #51
Then I'd say it's either a spare ring OR the keys of a teenager.
I can't get past the fact that an adult would carry more keys on their regular ring.Children don't stop dancing
04-06-2009, 03:16 PM #52Registered User
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It is for that reason, however, that the first thing I do when traveling is to lighten the load and put my main ring of keys into my luggage and carry only the keys that I need. If this guy was from out of town, staying in Montgomery county for a while, perhaps he did the same - carrying only the key to his vehicle and the key to the door where he was staying.
Or, maybe this was a borrowed vehicle and the ring contained the ignition key and a key to a garage where it was usually kept.
05-27-2009, 12:47 AM #53
Did house keys in the '70's have the name of the builder on them? I know that when we bought our house, all of the keys had the name of the builder on them. As how many keys people carry on their key rings? I only carry my key fob and my house key, so the only actual key is for my house. So I do not find it odd that the ring only contained two keys. Also, is there a way for GM to track the key, which would then maybe tell us where the car was bought? Is that even possible?
There is just something about this case that tugs at the heart.
07-25-2009, 02:22 PM #54Registered User
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Regarding the car key, back in the 1970's quite often the ignition key could also open the door. The second key was for the trunk and glove compartment. Later, the second key was for the doors as well, with the ignition being only for starting the car/truck. General Motors had a code system for their keys which were stamped in little "punch-outs" on each origional key. This code allowed a locksmith to make a new key without having to use the origional as a pattern.
Assuming that you had some other sort of lead as to where the car may have been purchased, you MIGHT be able to narrow it down as to which car it went to, but probably this would be a large undertaking.
Because GM changed their blanks every year, it is possible to say what model year the key goes to, but it is also possible that someone could have changed the locks/ignition on the car.
07-25-2009, 02:29 PM #55Registered User
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Possible connected case?
A couple of years ago, I posted the possibility that this case might be related to Kathy's case. Nobody commented one way or the other at the time.
Recently, I ran across this unsolved case again and though that I would re-post it to see if anyone has any thoughts or comments.
Note that this girl was murdered only a few weeks after Kathy was attacked. This girl was dumped in a drainage ditch near a large department store. Note also that the girl's description is similar to that of Kathy.
Unidentified White Female
Discovered on August 16, 1975 in East Haven, New Haven County, Connecticut.
Estimated date of death: August 11, 1975.
Estimated age: 18 - 28 years old
Approximate Height and Weight: 5'5" - 5'6"; 125 lbs.
Distinguishing Characteristics: Brown hair, parted in center. Brown/hazel eyes. She had pierced ears. She may have had a small mole under the chin. She possibly had comestic surgery to reduce the size of the nose.
Dentals: Available. Probable orthodontic care.
Clothing: No clothing located.
The woman’s strangled body was found by a truck driver on a rainy August 16, 1975, floating in a drainage ditch behind the former Bradlees department store on Frontage Road. She was wrapped in a canvas tarpaulin and she was gagged and bound by black antenna wire around her neck, waist and knees. Police believe she was killed somewhere else and dumped on Frontage Road. She died of asphyxiation by suffocation at least five days prior to discovery.
Dried white paint spots on the tarpaulin might indicate the murderer had connections with the painting trade.
If you have any information about this case please contact:
East Haven Police Department
Detective Sgt Scobie
ID Wanted Organization
The Doe Network: Case File 93UFCT
09-22-2009, 09:30 PM #56
i remember these keys...
i seen the picture, of them keys that was posted........3of them, there somewhere....a Chevy key, a door key, and something else but i have forgotten.......in the girls case, hes education, makes a good POI, on that short list........above average intelligence,.....but the main reason, i posted here, after reading more on the girls...........I wonder if this person knew John Brennan Crutchley ?...somehow in there inner circle, similar type jobs etc.....seems they both had a thing for coming and going with jobs.... just wondered, if they had crossed paths before, and even develop some kind of relationship.?
forgot to add...
this blood poisoning, i read about here, was that due to the injuries, or should i take that as meaning some kind of poisoning through injection??
i was reading about another killer, while looking at the girls case, and i came across one whom killed, or killed one with a injection of something.
i just don't remember now whom it was i was reading about, as far as the killer, that is why i asked here..........
Just remembered, this other murder was a injection of some kind of animal drug i believe it was, if Kathy had also been injected with something to poison her, maybe we could make a match, and perhaps they were injected with the same poison.
ALL MOO, NOTHING FACTUAL OR FOR CERTAIN, UNLESS KNOWN TO BE, ALL SPECULATION AND ASSUMPTIONS ON MY PART
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09-23-2009, 10:58 PM #57Registered User
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Cause of Death...
Kathy's autopsey was not made public to my knowledge, so I do not know the exact nature of all her injuries. I do know that she had received a major blow to the head and that she was unconcious when found on Friday Morning, 25 July 1975.
She was rushed by ambulance to the hospital and lived for 12 days before she died. She did not regain consciousness prior to death. In a story some months later, her mother stated that Kathy had died of blood poisoning - that is a sepsis or infection - as a result of her injuries.
Nothing was stated about any kind of injection or "poisoning" with any kind of substance.
09-30-2009, 09:53 PM #58
Richard, the follwoing shows travel from Franklin NH to Aspen Hill, MD.
the girls home which is located on Plyers Mill Road, runs right into 97 it looks like.........Kathy Lynn Gloddy was from Franklin and Kathy Lynn Beatty was from Aspen.......is this the reason why, certain POI were suspected, and was a connection, or better an assumption, these two girls may have been abducted by same person, or at least one of the two , and also the missing lyons sisters??......And could it be possible, with what you know, that the lyons sisters may be in aspen or franklin.
just looking a for connection i guess, to the two kathys, or a connection to at least one of those two, and the two lyons sisters.
but im confused, on where to go.......look forward to your input.
thank you in advance...coffy or crutchley...yes , i still have that crutchley person in my mind, and it wont go away!.....and he does look like the composite of the murdered student in the library at penn state in 69 i think it was..
this person Edward Dukette is the one LE, feels almost certain he killed GLoddy.......hes dead now, but heres the link just case you wanted to see it
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10-01-2009, 12:47 AM #59Registered User
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Kathy Lynn Goloddy 1971 Franklin, NH
Man suspected in unsolved NH murder dies in Fla.
Associated Press - August 20, 2009 6:35 AM ET
FRANKLIN, N.H. (AP) - The New Hampshire Attorney General's office says a man considered a potential suspect in a 38-year-old unsolved murder has died in Florida.
Senior Assistant Attorney General Will Delker tells The Citizen that Edward Dukette was a "person of interest" in the death of 13-year-old Kathy Lynn Gloddy in 1971.
The 66-year-old Dukette, who died last week, was a tenant in the home owned by Kathy's father. She was raped, beaten, strangled and run over by a car.
In 2006, Dukette walked into a Florida jail and said "he needed to be arrested." He allegedly said he was with a girl named Gloddy when she died but "couldn't remember if he raped her." Dukette later recanted.
When asked what Dukette's death means to the investigation, Delker said he still considers it an open homicide.
Information from: Citizen, http://www.citizen.com
I do not know if the case of Kathy Lynn Gloddy and that of Kathy Lynn Beatty are connected, although there certainly are some similarities. Whether they constitute a pattern, or simply a coincidence is hard to say with so little information.
The murders of the two girls occurred four years apart and quite a distance from eachother.
It would be very interesting to see a timeline on the person of interest in the Gloddy case. Where was he at various times? What crimes did he commit? What connection - besides his confession - is there between him and Kathy Lynn Gloddy? Was he ever in Maryland, specifically Wheaton, and when was that?
As to a possible connection between the Gloddy case and the Lyon case, that would depend on more information. The known information about the Lyon disappearance does not closely match what is known in the Gloddy case, in my opinion. But perhaps more information might indeed turn up some connections.
10-02-2009, 07:09 PM #60yes, the infamous roadblock.
not enough LE files to continue on with.
Perhaps, in the future, there will be further developments and we can continue on.