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    I wonder if this case will ever be solved. It makes it so hard when LE screws up so badly in the beginning. It is obvious that Maura didn't just get out of her car and walk to the ends of the earth

    I feel so bad for her family and everything that they have had to go through. Not only have they lost their daughter but they've had no help from LE. I don't doubt that there are cops that are involved with picking up young girls and doing things that they shouldn't. Heck, some cop could have stopped and picked Maura up. She probably would have gotten in a car with a cop thinking that he was going to help her. She was such a beautiful girl. Everytime I look at her picture I think how pretty she was and what a bright future she had ahead of her. Someone ended that future and I just hope and pray that she is found and her killer is caught and punished.


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    What a small world?

    Ok, guys. I couldn't wait to get off work to tell you who I talked to today. A little background....... I work customer service for a big online shopping website. SO... I am one the phone this afternoon, and this lady calls because she is making a return, and needs the information to send the item back. So she goes on and on about how busy she is because she is in this television series that is just starting, and she says "oh let me plug my show" and she says something about this haunting show on ctv. I didn't really think much of it, so I asked her for her order number and when I pulled up the account, I read the name and I kept telling her it sounded familiar. Then I starting thinking about all the court tv stuff and I asked her "are you a psychic?" and she said yeah! Have your heard of me? It was Carla Baron!!!! I asked her if she had helped with the Maura Murray case, and she started talking about Fred Murray and a couple of other things. So you guys I tried to pump her for any inside information, and I think she gave me a little. And not pyschic predictions, real stuff. Anyway, I was wondering what kind of psychic is she. I know I can remember her name being mentioned a few times. But I am not sure how well she does. Anybody got any idea? She did give me her psychic theory about what happenned to Maura, but she gave me some factual things too. Not a lot but just a few interesting tidbits. She told me she worked on the Brianna Maitland case too. Im not sure if I can say what she said. But her psychic theory I guess would be ok. Anyway let me know what kind of psychic she is?


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    Quote Originally Posted by nnglas
    Ok, guys. I couldn't wait to get off work to tell you who I talked to today. A little background....... I work customer service for a big online shopping website. SO... I am one the phone this afternoon, and this lady calls because she is making a return, and needs the information to send the item back. So she goes on and on about how busy she is because she is in this television series that is just starting, and she says "oh let me plug my show" and she says something about this haunting show on ctv. I didn't really think much of it, so I asked her for her order number and when I pulled up the account, I read the name and I kept telling her it sounded familiar. Then I starting thinking about all the court tv stuff and I asked her "are you a psychic?" and she said yeah! Have your heard of me? It was Carla Baron!!!! I asked her if she had helped with the Maura Murray case, and she started talking about Fred Murray and a couple of other things. So you guys I tried to pump her for any inside information, and I think she gave me a little. And not pyschic predictions, real stuff. Anyway, I was wondering what kind of psychic is she. I know I can remember her name being mentioned a few times. But I am not sure how well she does. Anybody got any idea? She did give me her psychic theory about what happenned to Maura, but she gave me some factual things too. Not a lot but just a few interesting tidbits. She told me she worked on the Brianna Maitland case too. Im not sure if I can say what she said. But her psychic theory I guess would be ok. Anyway let me know what kind of psychic she is?
    She is a full of herself and nonsense "psychic". Don't be fooled.
    http://www.iigwest.com/carla_report.html


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    http://www.unionleader.com/article.a...8-c191adb51e3b

    When adults disappear
    By ELISE CASTELLI
    Union Leader Correspondent


    Derry – When Pail Gaffney vanished after leaving his Derry home for work in Massachusetts last month, there was no sign of foul play, no indication of an accident.

    Derry police filed a report, followed up on leads gathered from interviews with friends and family of the 43-year-old, and put out a statewide “attempt to locate” bulletin.

    Gaffney’s wife and six children were waiting and worrying. The disappearance was out of character, they said, for a man “you could set your watch by.”

    But without evidence of a crime, police said, there was little more they could do because Gaffney, as an adult, had the right not to return home.

    Bedford police found Gaffney — unharmed, in his car — on May 30, four days after his disappearance. They told him his family was worried and he should return home.

    He did.

    The Gaffney incident typifies the missing-persons cases they run across each year, police say. But other cases — such as those of college nursing student Maura Murray, who disappeared after a single-car crash in Haverhill more than two years ago, and Goffstown teen Laura Mackenzie, who was due to appear in court on shoplifting charges when she disappeared March 8 — underscore the fact that New Hampshire has no standard reporting requirements or procedures in missing-adult cases.

    State Police Sgt. Robert Estabrook, who handles missing persons cases, said procedure is based circumstances. If a person appears to have disappeared voluntarily and without having committed a crime, he said, the person has the legal right to remain missing.

    “(Adults) have the legal right to up and leave,” Estabrook said. “I can see how a loved one would be concerned with that, but you have a right to be missing.”

    In some instances, Derry Police Capt. Vernon Thomas said, the person who filed the report poses a risk to the missing person.

    “We have to be cautious about the source of the report,” Thomas said

    Erin Bruno, director of case management for the National Center for Missing Adults, said 99 percent of all adults reported missing are found safe — and many don’t want contact with the family they deserted.

    For families of the missing, that may be hard to accept, Bruno said.

    “In the family’s defense, every minute a loved one is gone is a minute too many,” she said. “They’re thinking the worst.”

    As of May 1, there were 108,801 people listed as missing in the National Crime Information Center database, including 50,177 adults. Because the NCIC has certain criteria for entering adults in the database, there may be many more missing adults who aren’t included in the center’s statistics, Bruno said.

    According to the NCIC Web site, a missing adult can be entered into the national database if one of the following criteria is met:


    The adult has a proven physical or mental disability;
    The situation indicates physical danger;
    The situation indicates the person is not missing voluntarily;
    The person is missing after a catastrophe; or
    There is reason to be concerned for the missing person’s safety.

    Unless the missing fall into one of those categories, some police agencies are reluctant to take reports on adults, Bruno said.

    New Hampshire law does mandate that adults falling into any of the NCIC categories be reported to NCIC within 72 hours of the initial report. Federal law mandates all missing children be entered in the database regardless of circumstance.

    At any given moment, there are at least 70 to 90 cases missing New Hampshire children and adults listed in the NCIC, said Estabrook.

    When the disappearance is voluntary, the reasons for disappearing may be as disparate as the missing themselves, Bruno said. It could stem from family or marital troubles, from abuse, from debt, from addiction or crime.

    “Sometimes we don’t know what’s happened,” she said.

    Thomas, of the Derry Police, said the nature of the investigation depends on the circumstances.

    Reports, bulletins, and interviews with relatives and friends are the standard in Derry on adult cases, he said. Family members are also told they should monitor bank, credit card and cell phone activity on statements, as the information can provide leads to the missing adult, Thomas said.

    Often the investigation doesn’t get very far before there is a break.

    “Most (missing persons) turn up fairly quickly,” Thomas said.

    But not all cases turn out like the Gaffney case.

    Maura Murray remains missing more than two years after vanishing at age 21 after crashing her car in Haverhill.

    Her father, Frederick Murray, recently filed an appeal with the state Supreme Court to unseal police records on her case. In an interview this week, he said reports from the early days of the case hold important clues that could be used by his team of private investigators to find his daughter.

    Murray alleges the police are using claims of an ongoing investigation to avoid disclosure. In fact, he said, there is no active police investigation.

    Bruno, the missing adults caseworker, said she would like to see national standards adopted that would require uniform investigation procedures for children and adults.

    “If there is not clear evidence of a crime, it doesn’t mean the person was not a victim; there is just no evidence of it,” she said.

    One of the leads on Goffstown Police are pursuing in the Mackenzie case involves the timing of the teen’s disappearance: the same day as her scheduled court date. Nevertheless, Goffstown Police Detective Kevin Laroche told the New Hampshire Union Leader, the case is “baffling.”

    Laroche said a yearbook message Mackenzie wrote last fall sounded like much of what she had written in diaries and poetry, and seemed to forecast her disappearance. But, he added, it was so long before Mackenzie actually disappeared, “We still think it was the arrest that made her run.”

    What exactly made Gaffney run, the family hasn’t said definitively. On the day he returned his daughter Pauline said, “We’re just happy to have him home and want to spend as much time with him as possible.”

    For many families of the still missing that is all they want.


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    Carla Baron

    Hello everyone!


    I just wanted to thank the people who have sent me pms regarding Carla Baron. Everybody has been most helpful and informative.

    I have decided after much thought not to post publicly anything that Mrs Baron told me. Although much of what she said has been published by the media and online. There are a few reasons why I have decide not to repeat what she told me....

    1. Although I don't think anything she said was hurtful, I wouldn't want to take the chance that the family get upset.

    2. I don't want it to turn into a debate on how accurate psychic visions are.

    3. I don't want to convolute the situation with supposition and opinion (enough of that already)

    In defense of Mrs Baron, she really seemed like a nice person. But according to the pms I received, Mrs Baron is either a well meaning flake or a phony out to make money. I don't know which, but I suspect that she is really no different from us. In that we hope with open dialogue and developing theories it may someday lead us to Maura.


    PS I do intend to respond to all of the PMs I received. Just wanted to go ahead and post this.


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    foul play?

    Both the Carla Baron psychic and Maurice Godwin forensic theories of Maura Murray's fate two years ago were versions of serial killer stories, that she was abducted and murdered and her body hidden/buried locally by a killer who had killed once or twice before.

    Most of the posting on the Maura site subscribes to this idea whether or not they credit or follow either Baron or Godwin.

    Thus far the evidence is scant--the Maura website has had a huge argument about the towel inserted in her tailpipe which turns out to have been her towel from her car's trunk--see a very recent post by Jane on the Maura site.

    If the towel was Maura's as her Dad said three days later at LaVoie's garage then I believe Maura herself placed the towel in the tailpipe as she rapidly planned and made her exit from the accident scene-- why is a hard guess to make. Officer Smith evidently viewed it as some kind of suicide attempt which seems weird to me but the police were clearly the source of this theory.


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    Bumping for those who will forever search until Maura is home.
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    Saw this tonite on the CNN website...

    does anyone know how far from where Maura disappeared is Claremont?
    Something tells me that there may be several cases solved before this is all over...

    http://www.wmur.com/news/9422302/det...1161&qs=1;bp=t

    also posting this on the "Missing/murdered in NH" thread


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    I have a theory (just a theory so don't pounce on me, it happened once before in this very forum), but I have often wondered if she was not outside the car and someone came around the curve and accidently hit her. I seem to recall that it was said there was a bit of a blind curve near where her car was found. Not sure of the area, but if there were ditches with snow and water I would be more inclined to walk on the road. They hit her panic and who knows what happened after that.


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    The man referenced in your link who committed suicide was a member of the gay community and is implicated in a murder connected to that affiliation. There is no way he would be likely to be connected to Maura's disappearance. See story here:

    http://www.thedailyitemoflynn.com/ne...rticleid=12439




    Quote Originally Posted by gatetrekker44
    does anyone know how far from where Maura disappeared is Claremont? Something tells me that there may be several cases solved before this is all over...

    http://www.wmur.com/news/9422302/det...1161&qs=1;bp=t

    also posting this on the "Missing/murdered in NH" thread


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    Quote Originally Posted by curious1
    I have a theory (just a theory so don't pounce on me, it happened once before in this very forum), but I have often wondered if she was not outside the car and someone came around the curve and accidently hit her. I seem to recall that it was said there was a bit of a blind curve near where her car was found. Not sure of the area, but if there were ditches with snow and water I would be more inclined to walk on the road. They hit her panic and who knows what happened after that.
    I think at this point any scenerio could be possible.


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    Quote Originally Posted by czechmate7
    I think at this point any scenerio could be possible.
    Agreed. We just need to continue searching for answers and remain open-minded.


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    Yes, open minded is the key. Once you convince yourself that only one thing can be true you become blind to the truth even if it's standing right in front of you.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Masterj
    Agreed. We just need to continue searching for answers and remain open-minded.
    Maura has been missing 29 months today...and we are continuing our search for answers.........
    "The world is dangerous to live in not because of the people who do evil things, but because of the people who know about it but do nothing to stop it."

    www.MAURAMURRAYMISSING.com


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    Maura, Laura and Bri

    Quote Originally Posted by murraydwyer
    Maura has been missing 29 months today...and we are continuing our search for answers.........
    I think of Brianna and Maura everyday. Our Laura is missing too......I am her cousin. No family should have to go through a tragedy like this in America.
    Somehow we need to toughen up some laws regarding kidnapping in this country. I spoke with Lauras Mom yesterday, and there was much sadness.... On top of that, was our Hope and Faith that we will find her soon.
    Bri's Mom just wrote me on her site ,(Bringbrihome.org)and she is such a wonderful person too.
    It is a sad comment on America that families should have to endure this.
    If only there was some miracle and the girls would come home.
    Thinking of you and Maura, and praying for all our missing girls.


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    Unhappy 29 Months of Sadness and Hearthache

    Remembering Maura today, 29 months after she vanished.

    As always, prayers that this situation will be soon resolved along with comfort and strength for her family and loved ones.


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    Unhappy 29 Months of Sadness and Hearthache

    Remembering Maura today, 29 months after she vanished.

    As always, prayers that this situation will be soon resolved along with comfort and strength for her family and loved ones.


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    Prayers for Maura and her family on this difficult journey.....


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    To the Murray and Rausch families...

    Don't give up-don't EVER give up!(Jim Valvano)

    I know you won't-and please, if there is ANYTHING I can do-be it send emails or snail mail to news outlets, contact politicians, or anything else you may need help with, please just let me know. While I never met Maura, her story touched me in a way that few others have. I believe the answers will come-stonewalling by LE nonwithstanding. And they will come because of your tireless dedication to get the truth, no matter how painful it may be.

    You are all in my prayers.


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    Maura

    Prayers for Maura and her family.......prayers for answers.
    With Hope and Faith, that no one missing will be forgotten


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    Bumping for Maura and those who continue to search
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    Bumping for Maura, her friends and her family as they continue to search and to hope
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    Maura

    Maura ........I will pray for you too in NH on Monday!
    Along with Laura and Brianna.....that God will answer our prayers.
    Love to Mauras family.
    And many "thank yous" for helping me along this journey.


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    Hi all, I just wanted to share the following article with those of you here on Websleuths. The rest of the article appears at the link below. I haven't seen the hard copy of the paper yet, but apparently they also published several pictures of Maura.........

    http://www.northcountrynewsnh.com/web_pages_000002.htm


    Maura Murray, 2 1/2 Years After Her Disappearance;
    A Letter From Her Family

    A Northcountry News Exsclusive -

    Our thanks to the Northcountry News and its Publisher Bryan Flagg for allowing the family of Maura Murray to ‘speak’ to its readers. As many of you know, Maura disappeared on February 9, 2004. She was last seen on Route 112 after a single car crash. Much has been said about Maura in the media and local coffee shops over the last two and a half years. Many of you have formed opinions of what happened and of Maura and her family based on what has been presented in the media and sometimes based on inaccurate rumors.

    Maura is so much more than what has been presented in most of the papers. She is more than a missing person. Maura is a Missed Person, she is a daughter, a sister, granddaughter, niece, cousin and friend. My favorite quote about Maura is by one of her friends: "If you wanted to make a person, you would make her just like her." said Katie Jones a close friend of Maura’s since grade school.”

    continued at link above...........
    "The world is dangerous to live in not because of the people who do evil things, but because of the people who know about it but do nothing to stop it."

    www.MAURAMURRAYMISSING.com


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    Maura Murray

    Quote Originally Posted by murraydwyer
    Hi all, I just wanted to share the following article with those of you here on Websleuths. The rest of the article appears at the link below. I haven't seen the hard copy of the paper yet, but apparently they also published several pictures of Maura.........

    http://www.northcountrynewsnh.com/web_pages_000002.htm


    Maura Murray, 2 1/2 Years After Her Disappearance;
    A Letter From Her Family

    A Northcountry News Exsclusive -

    Our thanks to the Northcountry News and its Publisher Bryan Flagg for allowing the family of Maura Murray to ‘speak’ to its readers. As many of you know, Maura disappeared on February 9, 2004. She was last seen on Route 112 after a single car crash. Much has been said about Maura in the media and local coffee shops over the last two and a half years. Many of you have formed opinions of what happened and of Maura and her family based on what has been presented in the media and sometimes based on inaccurate rumors.

    Maura is so much more than what has been presented in most of the papers. She is more than a missing person. Maura is a Missed Person, she is a daughter, a sister, granddaughter, niece, cousin and friend. My favorite quote about Maura is by one of her friends: "If you wanted to make a person, you would make her just like her." said Katie Jones a close friend of Maura’s since grade school.”

    continued at link above...........
    I hope everyone here reads that article. Maura sounds like a wonderful, charming girl. People should hold still with rumors. Maura was smart, kind, an important member of a family. The essence of her rings loud and clear. I have always felt that Maura had a wonderful family, who worked without pause to find her. Her dad works continuously to get access to more information....that is with held. Other family members are constantly looking for word of her. Life is not easy....
    But, her life is not what happened during one certain day. Maura is loved and missed by many........her family needs answers.......one small clue might help.
    Pray for Maura, Laura, Bri and the others missing in the NE area. Our hearts are heavy with their loss. What if they were your daughters? Missing from
    Gods green earth.........God Bless.


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