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  1. #16
    Benn, you're wonderful to write so many people. Trust me, it does help.

    Do you think that the DC police didn't want the Modesto Police to be involved because Gary Condit's brother was on the Modesto Police force?


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    Quote Originally Posted by candy
    Benn, you're wonderful to write so many people. Trust me, it does help.

    Do you think that the DC police didn't want the Modesto Police to be involved because Gary Condit's brother was on the Modesto Police force?
    candy, I don't know what the DC police motive was. I guess you know that Burl Condit was in a serious automobile accident. I did not read a followup on his story, I will have to look for one.

    benn8


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    Hi Benn,

    Yes, I had read that story on the accident involving Condit's brother. That's the first time I had heard he had a brother in the MPD.

    Keep up the great work Benn! We need to know who killed Chandra. It's terrible that this case has not been solved.


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    It was a sad loss, when the "whereschandra" web site went down. There were some phenominal sleuthers there, specifically "rd" (my favorite) who, actually went and checked out where Condit made that midnite phone call from a pay phone to the other mistress, telling her is might have to disappear for a while or alluding to that.....from what I can vaguely remember, it was in a National Park, poorly lit area, a bit off the beathen path, and well over an hours drive away from DC.

    Maybe one day Chandra will have as many champions as JonBenet has.....maybe, one day....Edited to add, I just went to the site mentioned above, not knowing about it, and rd is there! Nice to find him!


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    Hello Sprocket, I received an automatic email last night saying that someone had replied here, but then I got sidetracked and did not get back here right away. I was on whereschandra for a while, not as long as many there. I don't remember what I was doing in between, I was at modbee until it shut down. Most of the Chandra sites eventually shut down, except www.justiceforchandra.com which started up.

    I have never been to Rock Creek Park, which must be right in Washington. Early news stories in 2001 said that Condit used to ride to Rock Creek Park on his......Harley?.....no, he said he did not have a motorcycle in Washington.....he rode to the park on his bicycle.

    I think rd would be glad to see you check in at his site. We discuss other things besides the Chandra case, but a lot of the discussion is about what happened to Chandra. We need all the help we can get.

    benn8


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    Good to see some oldtimers active

    I too posted under another hat on the Wheres Chandra site.

    I sent approximately three tidbits to the DC police department as well. I did get the typical thanks for your email ya da ya da, on two of my efforts.

    I do believe that there is some connection between Chandra and Joyce Chiangs murders.

    In the missing poster of Joyce that was distributed, she was wearing a very unique and beautiful necklace, that looked quite expensive. I do believe that the source of that bit of jewelry could have been traced. Also the date her picture was taken to tie in her association with Mr. C. They worked in close proximity in their duties. Joyce was an attorney for Imigration. I had always additionally thought that she may have had information or knowledge of improperly admitted 'terrorist' types. The terrorist types that came to attend school in America, and had their visas or whatever the okay paperwork - and then they never registered to attend ANY college!!!!!!!!!!

    I do indeed believe the name of the game is 'Professional Coverup'.

    I am reading "The Strange Death of Vincent Foster" by Christopher Ruddy. It is now out of print, but I found a copy. Talk about COVERUP. He was found with a gunshot in his mouth, and small amount of blood, indicating that he was already dead when he was shot. Neatly laid out with arms at each side. Shot with a gun his family said was not his. Shot with a gun made up of parts of two and perhaps three different guns, with two serial numbers dating back to '1913' This is just a small sampling of the factual information that Christopher Ruddy turned up, incredible!!!!!!!! Boatloads of Arkansas folks involved in lots of suspicious activities following the discovery of Foster's body.

    I am happy to know there is still a website for Chandra, will have to check it out. God bless her family.

    There is an old saw, that a leopard never changes his spots. A great big hmmm for Mr. C.

    Another interesting tidbit, Clinton was appearing on LKL the night Foster's body was found.
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    Sorry to hear about your loss Camper. I think I did send my initial contact and response with the SHE link in a private message to you. Since the message was sent privately to me I did not think that I should post it here.

    I am not too used to using the private messages here. I guess I will be able to find what I sent to you somewhere here. I did buy Pat Brown's book KILLING FOR SPORT, Inside the Minds of Serial Killers. I bought a new copy but now that I know a little more about Amazon.com's used book department I think I may go that way from now on. I don't know if Brown's book is so useful for here. She is writing about Serial Killers.

    I did like the last two pages of the book. If Brown does profiling for police departments she must have a lot of contact with policemen. Here is what she writes near the very end of the book.

    "If the police aren't doing a good job handling a sexual homicide in your community, make a whole lot of noise. When your neighbors get raped and murdered, you should never let the police rest until justice is served. Don't just forget about the crime a week later and assume it's being investigated and by doing so ignore reality. Support the family of the victim by helping them see that the crime is solved and by rallying the community behind them. Make it clear to government officials and law enforcement that the cirizens expect truth, justice, and public safety."

    That is a little long, but it seems to the point. I have tried to make a noise in many places but without much result of any kind. We need more noisemakers.,

    benn8


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    What a coincidence. I just picked up that book Vincent foster at a garage sale and have been meaning to get reading it. Now I will. Sorry about your loss Camper hugs to you.


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    Hi Benn,

    Please don't think all your wonderful work has been without effect. The police as you know are often maddingly quiet, but it doesn't mean they don't pay attention to people like you bringing good information and ideas out. They do. We just don't know about it. I'll make some noise too, everyone should.


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    Hello candy, it is difficult to know if we are doing any good sometimes. As for the Chandra Levy case there ae a lot of people who don't want to get involved. I guess that applies to all cases, a lot of people don't want to get involved. But it isn't always easy to know how to get involved.

    I guess we all need each other. If one person comes up with a good idea we can all use it Thanks for writing to me.
    benn8


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    As I have written in other messages I am always wondering why the Otis Thomas story has been completely erased from the Chronology of the Chandra case, so that no mention is made of it at all. Perhaps this is in consideration for the Thomases.

    In looking at an old ModBee article yestereday written by Mike Doyle I looked at the Chonology, or timeline, given at the end of the article, and I sent Mike an email asking him about that.

    He replied this morning, saying that he did not know exactly--maybe I should just quote him so as to not misquote him.

    >>>>I'm not sure why the Otis Thomas element is out of the chronology, as I did
    >not put it together. However, I would guess that because he retracted what
    >had been very controversial charges, the newspaper's position was that the
    >issue was not deserving of notice.
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    >Mike<<<

    I sent Mike a followup reply and thanked him and said that I would contact the ModBee and ask them. Anyway this takes part of the Otis Thomas story discussion away from trying to ask the FBI and instead just trying to ask the ModBee, or any other newspaper that does not include the Otis Thomas story.

    I think that maybe it is left out in consideration for the Thomases, but there is also the consideration for Chandra and her family to be thought of. Anybody who is interested in this subject could also write to the ModBee, or any other newspaper, asking them why the Otis Thomas story is omitted. Good luck. I am going to write today, or tomorrow.

    benn8


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    Gary Condit v The National Enquirer.

    I happened to be searching for something yesterday on the web and came across attorney Lin Wood's website. Lin Wood, of course is Gary Condit's attorney handling his lawsuits.

    http://www.linwoodlaw.com/

    If you go there you can click for details of the Gary Condit v The National Enquirer case, on the front page of the website. You can download the whole case, 45 pages, in Adobe Acrobat.

    Maybe that case is already listed somewhere here, but I have not seen it, so I guess it will not hurt to include it here.

    benn8


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    Hello. I am sorry to see that I am the last one to post here on the Chandra Levy murder investigation. There is a little news now, not about the case, but about a book scheduled to come out about May 1, or shortly thereafter.

    The book is being self-published and will probably be seen everywhere that self-published books are advertised. Here is the name, if that does not get changed.

    "Murder on a Horse Trail: The Disappearance of Chandra Levy"

    Here is the link for that thread at the Chandra website where I post. If that does not work just go to www.justiceforchandra.com and that will give a link to the thread.

    http://www.justiceforchandra.com/for...er=asc&start=0

    Nothing new in the book, but it may revive some interest in the case. rd the owner of the website is the author, using citations from many many sources.

    Now I can see a possible snafu in getting the book into print, but that probably will not happen.

    In the meantime here is something that I have written about the case. We should not give up on the case just because many people have. I realize that there are a lot of other things going on also.

    I am quoting myself here:

    "Time allows some reassessment of past events. When Congressman Gary Condit's constituents finally became an informed electorate, having learned of many of the things that their Congressman had been doing but concealing from them, at their first opportunity they voted him out of office."

    benn8


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    From my rocking chair to you

    http://www.unsolved.com/0206-Chiang.html

    Part of the article on this link includes this information
    "Following her internship, Joyce took a job as a lawyer at the INS. She lived with her brother Roger in the Dupont Circle area of Washington D.C. Chandra
    Levy would later move to the same neighborhood'


    Also from this same link "To many, similarities between the two were chilling. They both worked for a congressman at one time. Joyce worked for
    Representative Berman, who's office was adjacent to Representative Condit's'


    From another link - http://www.amw.com/site/archives/19990123/jchiang.html this information is gleaned "Authorities say that Chiang, a lawyer who works
    for the Immigration and Naturalization Service, was dropped off by a friend in the Dupont Circle area of Washington, D.C.on January 9, 1999 around 8:20
    p.m"


    From this link - http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0107/19/wbr.00.html this information is gleaned "And as a member of the House Intelligence
    Committee, Congressman Gary Condit has access to the nation's top secrets.


    Joyce Chiang dissappeared January 9, 1999
    Chandra Levy dissappeared May 2001

    My question is this, could it have been possible that Joyce found improprieties while working as a conscientious lawyer for the Imigration and Naturalization
    department, and since her office was next door to Condits, that she approached Condit with this information and was made to dissappear?

    Additionally since Chandra Levy was intent on finding improprieties in the prison system as well, and may have voiced this concern to Condit as well, then she was
    made to dissappear?

    Just a few short months after Chandra went missing, came September 11, 2001, and the heat was off of our Mr. Condit, I find this interesting as well. Then we have the story that a quite large number of Osamas relatives were allowed to leave the U.S.A. a day or so BEFORE September 11, 2001

    I sit and rock in my little rocking chair and contemplate how convenient all of these happenings seemed to be, for our Mr. Condit. I also wonder HOW and WHO gave the message to Osamas relatives to Get Outta Dodge a big Hmmm for me.

    Since I am in charge of nothing in particular, my thoughts may have no meaning whatsoever. My mind keeps coming back to the same ole questions that bother me big time.

    Wonder if the Thomas daughter was paid off handsomely or if she gets support or hush money for the little innocent child?
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    Hello Camper, I am getting more interested in the Joyce Chiang murder--if it was a murder. I look foreward to the Chandra Levy case getting into court, and then I will probably concentrate on Chiang, and there was an intern in Florida who was found dead in her Congressman's office, and also a couple of other interns from California showed up dead in Washington, DC.

    Right now I look for the solution to the Levy case to come from the political angle. All of law enforcement seems to have mummed up, possibly because they just don't have anything new to say. The media is also quiet on Levy, but this was a murder of a young lady who was dating a Congressman. What do politicians understand? Voters. The police understand voters also. All of us understand voters in some way or another. When the heat gets on, then maybe a few people will talk.

    Right now the new book Murder on a Horse Trail: The Disappearance of Chandra Levy, is on schedule for around May 1. There are now ISBN numbers for the book. They are: 0-595-66433-4 for hardcover, 0-595-31847-9 for paperback, and 0-595-76658-7 for eBook.

    Maybe we can generate enough heat so that suddenly law enforcement, and the media, will start saying, "fire, fire, fire." Then there will be some legal proceedings, and not all of that "rumour" language from the DC police.

    benn8


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