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    Cool

    Quote Originally Posted by lymom3
    I can't view them either...why is that?
    Could be your computer actually

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    Quote Originally Posted by outofthedark
    Could be your computer actually
    That's the screen I'm getting...any other ideas?




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    Quote Originally Posted by lymom3
    That's the screen I'm getting...any other ideas?






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    coldcasemans pics

    Here are some of the pics that cold case man wanted to share with us.
    I hope and I think that I got the ones he wanted. Any mistakes in which pics to post are most likely my own mistakes.

    *Warning: Graphic Photos*
    http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e2...e/detlyle2.jpg
    http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e2...e/detlle3c.jpg
    http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e2...e/detlyle4.jpg
    http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e2...e/detlle5c.jpg
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    Quote Originally Posted by docwho3
    Here are some of the pics that cold case man wanted to share with us.
    I hope and I think that I got the ones he wanted. Any mistakes in which pics to post are most likely my own mistakes.

    *Warning: Graphic Photos*
    http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e2...e/detlyle2.jpg
    http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e2...e/detlle3c.jpg
    http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e2...e/detlyle4.jpg
    http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e2...e/detlle5c.jpg
    Thanks a ton docwho!!
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    Yes, thank you docwho3 for getting the photos out and coldcaseman for sharing them with us. They make Lyle's case seem all the more poignant and real.

    It's interesting, also, to see the belt buckle. It looks like a more feminine design, as most men's belt buckles are plain, without the etchings (I could be way off track here, as I only notice one man's belt buckle nowadays. hee!) It's difficult to tell if the belt is narrower, like a woman's belt, but it doesn't look like a really wide "manly man" belt to me.
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    buckles

    Quote Originally Posted by annemc2
    Yes, thank you docwho3 for getting the photos out and coldcaseman for sharing them with us. They make Lyle's case seem all the more poignant and real.

    It's interesting, also, to see the belt buckle. It looks like a more feminine design, as most men's belt buckles are plain, without the etchings (I could be way off track here, as I only notice one man's belt buckle nowadays. hee!) It's difficult to tell if the belt is narrower, like a woman's belt, but it doesn't look like a really wide "manly man" belt to me.
    I found some pictures of buckles that are sort of close in size and design as near as I can tell without being the same. (I use the word "close" loosely in this case.) I will try to find what I did with the links and post some. The belt company's website had other pics that might have matched better but they were such poor quality and dark images that I could not tell anything about detail.

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    I'm trying to make arrangements to examine the belt. I don't recall seeing a manufacturers name, but I'll double check. The belt was not wide, about 1 1/2 inches. I felt the buckle had sort of a western look to it.

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    Wow! In that second pic just posted, it is amazing to me how he looks like an Indian brave. The staunch perfect jaw and chin, the little hump on his nose - well the whole image now is pretty solid for me that he was an Indian. What kind, I'll have to look now, but I'm thinking from the Dakotas or Montana.

    I'm trying to figure out if he is lying on his back or sitting up, or since it looks like I see the belt in that 2nd pic, was he not taken down yet? Hmm, I've never seen anything like this in my life!~

    It is a much more substantial belt than I thought. It looks to be in good shape, not frayed or anything, so it doesn't look really that old.


    Thanks for that Coldcaseman. Scandi

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    buckles again

    Here are a few belt pics. As I said before sort of similar but not exactly the same. I have not looked at all the belt designs this site has. But everyone please feel free to look.

    http://imagescommerce.bcentral.com/m...37631/RS36.jpg
    http://imagescommerce.bcentral.com/m...20Profiles.jpg
    http://imagescommerce.bcentral.com/m...37631/RS39.jpg
    http://imagescommerce.bcentral.com/m...631/RS39GP.jpg
    http://imagescommerce.bcentral.com/m...20Profiles.jpg
    http://imagescommerce.bcentral.com/m...er%20Plume.jpg
    Shop from this page and click links to type of buckle to be viewed
    http://gallery.bcentral.com/GID46376...d-Buckles.aspx

    I think our belt & buckle may be a slight bit more um . . .common.

    Edited to add: I seem to remember a belt style that use that white thread stitching and I think it well may have been a western style. It seems that white thread stitching was big a few years back but I can't seem to remember what years. When I have more time I will look for it if you all have not already found a sample.

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    Lyle is laying down in both photos. He is still wearing the belt. Standard procedure is to leave the ligature on the body until it is removed by the pathologist.
    I'm trying to figure out if he is lying on his back or sitting up, or since it looks like I see the belt in that 2nd pic, was he not taken down yet? Hmm, I've never seen anything like this in my life!~

    It is a much more substantial belt than I thought. It looks to be in good shape, not frayed or anything, so it doesn't look really that old.


    Thanks for that Coldcaseman. Scandi[/QUOTE]

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    I have a belt that has a similar design on the strap- but it has a plain buckle though. I have no idea who the manufacturer is as I had found it laying around somewhere- I know it has a fancy design of the letter "P" on the back, along with a faded digit of 49722- and they're both imprinted in white

    Were there any pictures taken of his notes closeup? Perhaps someone can identify his handwriting

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    I have a photocopy of them, I'll see if I can get a digital photo of them posted.

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    Thanks Coldcaseman, Lying down. Hmm I had even turned my head sideways and couldn't quite see it that way. LOL

    He is really very handsome and seemingly in perfect shape except for a few tiny spots, probably little moles. The reddisness on his face near his hairline, is that just shadow? Maybe the fact he is so skinny allows the bone structure to stand out more that makes me see the traditional Indian features, but if that was a braid aside his neck instead of a belt, I could just see him up on his horse with a single feather in his hair.

    We must be able to determine what kind of an Indian he was, if he was one. He is the classic one for painting for sure. Was his photo shown to an anthropologist? Last night I watched the show on MSNBC about the forensic anthropologist with the LA coroners office. She said there is a way to tell where someone's ancestors are from by studying the bone in some way. Maybe it was the DNA from the bone is what she meant.

    Scandi

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    With ancient remains, there can be tell tale signs in the shape of the skull, and they could determine what tribe a person was from. Nowadays, it can be very difficult determining race, let alone a particular region or tribe with any degree of accuracy. It was felt at the time that he had some Native American features, but he also has some Caucasian ones as well.

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    How interesting! Is there a name for that? I know that Mexican and Indian is Chicano. There are certain characteristics like problems with drinking I know. Lyle had hazel eyes and was 6'2", from his white influence. Definately his Indian influence looks dominant.


    Scandi

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    The three main classifications are Negroid, Caucasoid, and Mongoloid. Native Americans, Hispanics, and Asians are all in the mongoloid classification. alcoholism isn't more common among one race over another.

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    Quote Originally Posted by outofthedark
    Thanks!!!
    You are all most welcome!

    I try to be helpful where I can and the pics came from coldcase man so biggest thanks to him

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    DNA and mtDNA

    Since there are tissue and blood samples readily available and completely viable, I wonder if a complete DNA analysis has been done on this man. If not, it could be done but not without cost which could be prohibitive especially if the case has been relegated to the back burner so to speak. I know it is possible to determine certain basic types of ethnicity through the mitochondrial DNA...which is transmitted to every individual through the maternal line. Analysis of the Y chromosome for males only is also done rather routinely today...these tests can determine if this man has Native American and/or European ancestory. Males can have both the Y chromosome and mtDNA analysis done....the cost is I would think under $500, for the most basic of tests. The more refined testing done...the higher the price obviously. There are numerous labs doing this kind of testing now...here is one http://www.familytreedna.com/default.asp http://www.scientific.org/tutorials/...ley/riley.html

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    I think that the possibility that he is from Canada or another country other than the US is lessened by the fact that he knew the postal abbreviation for Idaho. For instance, I wouldn't know the Canadian postal code for Saskatchewan or any other provinces.

    It's unusual that he did not include the zip code with his address. He appeared to fill out the fourm exactly as specified, writing down only his name, address, and state. I know that out of habit, I would automatically write my entire address, including city and zip code because they seem to go as a unit.

    Was this a sign that Lyle was thinking very concretely, as many with severe psychiatric illnesses (in this case major depression) do? Or was he accustomed to following orders (eg military) or paying strict attention to detail (eg scientist or accountant)? Or perhaps he was simply trying not to draw attention to himself, providing only the information that was requested of him.

    The SUICIDE paper is also interesting, in that the writing appears different than the others. It is more exact in this instance, with each letter separated and distinct. Like he wanted it to be very, very clear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by annemc2
    I think that the possibility that he is from Canada or another country other than the US is lessened by the fact that he knew the postal abbreviation for Idaho. For instance, I wouldn't know the Canadian postal code for Saskatchewan or any other provinces.

    It's unusual that he did not include the zip code with his address. He appeared to fill out the fourm exactly as specified, writing down only his name, address, and state. I know that out of habit, I would automatically write my entire address, including city and zip code because they seem to go as a unit.

    Was this a sign that Lyle was thinking very concretely, as many with severe psychiatric illnesses (in this case major depression) do? Or was he accustomed to following orders (eg military) or paying strict attention to detail (eg scientist or accountant)? Or perhaps he was simply trying not to draw attention to himself, providing only the information that was requested of him.

    The SUICIDE paper is also interesting, in that the writing appears different than the others. It is more exact in this instance, with each letter separated and distinct. Like he wanted it to be very, very clear.
    I always wondered about the HUGE handwriting difference between the suicide note and the other ones

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    When I looked at the handwriting I noticed he doesn't close the tops together but rather leaves a small gap opening. I noticed that in letters on I think every page, and thought maybe it meant he was not completely focused. I don't however know what the interpretation of this would mean to a handwriting expert. Any JonBenet posters here? LOL


    Scandi

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    The suicide printing was slightly larger, and was more distinct. The paper was crumpled and thrown in the trash can. I had speculated that he either wrote the word out because he wasn't sure if he was spelling it right, or he had written it as a sign, so that whoever found him would know that ir was a suicide. He then realizes that it will be obvious what has happened, so he discards the note. You are right, there is a distinct change in handwriting.

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