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    Quote Originally Posted by outofthedark
    I always wondered whether "Robert" had weight problems while he was still alive- I also wondered if he dieted sometimes in his life as well...

    His weight at the time of his death was 140 pounds- it has been thought that "Robert" lost 30-40 pounds before he died- possibly putting him at having been 170-180 pounds before... but doesn't 140 pounds look skinny on a 6'2 man??

    About the autopsy photo, when I first saw it- I was suspicious about it because I was wondering how he could look like a Calvin Klein model on an autopsy table and still have hung himself without showing obvious signs in that photograph- but the photo was probably airbrushed, quite obvious in the picture itself...
    Hi Outofthedark,
    You are right when you say that he looks like a Calvin Klein model in the photos.
    They facial features do not appear to be airbrushed.His features are too distingused to have any swelling airbrused out.There is no swelling at all in the face.Take a look at both of the photos and you will see what I mean.

    As far as the large size of the pants,who knows,he probably bought them that size and wore the belt with them.Wearing pants sizes too big is and has been the "in style" for some time.Just a thought.
    Thank-you for the post and I will look forward to your post on this.


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    Quote Originally Posted by dark_shadows
    Hi Outofthedark,
    You are right when you say that he looks like a Calvin Klein model in the photos.
    They facial features do not appear to be airbrushed.His features are too distingused to have any swelling airbrused out.There is no swelling at all in the face.Take a look at both of the photos and you will see what I mean.

    As far as the large size of the pants,who knows,he probably bought them that size and wore the belt with them.Wearing pants sizes too big is and has been the "in style" for some time.Just a thought.
    Thank-you for the post and I will look forward to your post on this.


    autopsy photos link
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    dark_shadows
    Sometimes I think he looks like a cross between these two guys:

    First Guy:

    http://www.celebritywonder.com/event...re_5173314.jpg

    Second Guy:

    http://www.beachofstone.com/cgi-bin/..._2.jpg&img=&tt=
    (^^^scroll down the page on the link above^^^)

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    I think he resembles Jean Claude van Damme. The pants being too big wouldn't indicate to me that he had lost weight. The popular style would be down on his hips like they were falling off.



    JMHO

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    Quote Originally Posted by tennessee
    I think he resembles Jean Claude van Damme. The pants being too big wouldn't indicate to me that he had lost weight. The popular style would be down on his hips like they were falling off.



    JMHO
    He does look a little like van Damme

    Here's a question I have: Did anyone see him before September 15th in the Washington area before he went to the hotel?? Did anyone see him coming out of another city by transportation?? Did anyone else talk to him??

    L.E. should put a posters up about him at bus stations and bus stops or any other place that has transportation- see if anyone recognizes him from a bus trip or if any bus drivers who worked in 2001 recognizes him

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    tennessee is offline Blew out my flipflop. Stepped on a pop top . . .
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    Also, at truck stops in the area. He might have hitched a ride.




    JMHO

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    Quote Originally Posted by tennessee
    Also, at truck stops in the area. He might have hitched a ride.




    JMHO
    Good one! Never thought of that!

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    I was the Detective who investigated the Lyle Stevik case. I just retired a few months ago, and just found this site. To answer some previous posts: Lyle arrived by bus, possibly one that came from Port Angeles (south), but a bus came up from Aberdeen (northbound) and arrived about the same time. Neither driver was sure if he was on their bus. He arrived with no luggage, and there was no luggage, clothing, etc. in the motel dumpster. The book "you must remember this" deals with the main character considering suicide. I often if the web info from "Steven" concerning suspension hanging was Lyle. He may have come from Canada, as the clerk recalled that he had "a slight Canadian accent". The fact he wrote the word "suicide" on a piece of paper I found in the trash leads me to believe he wrote a letter home, telling someone of his intentions, that he was going to disappear, so they aren't looking for him. He may have been dying, or suffered from depression, as he lost a lot of weight, although nothing was found at the autopsy. I saw no indications that he ever wore a wedding ring. His eyes are open in the photos because I opened them, to make him look as alive as possible for the photo. He didn't tape the pillows to the wall on the coat rack, they were wedged between the rack and the wall. This was a very unusual case. I still work on it, just to make sure Lyles loved ones know what happened to him and where he is buried. I appreciate any help.

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    coldcaseman

    Thanks for joining us!

    I've been doing a little searching for relatives of Lyle, but haven't tried to contact any of the people with the last name "Stevik". I found some from Canada, Alaska, the East Coast, and even a reporter for the Everett newspaper with the last name Stevik. How do you go about finding his relatives?

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    Quote Originally Posted by coldcaseman
    I was the Detective who investigated the Lyle Stevik case. I just retired a few months ago, and just found this site. To answer some previous posts: Lyle arrived by bus, possibly one that came from Port Angeles (south), but a bus came up from Aberdeen (northbound) and arrived about the same time. Neither driver was sure if he was on their bus. He arrived with no luggage, and there was no luggage, clothing, etc. in the motel dumpster. The book "you must remember this" deals with the main character considering suicide. I often if the web info from "Steven" concerning suspension hanging was Lyle. He may have come from Canada, as the clerk recalled that he had "a slight Canadian accent". The fact he wrote the word "suicide" on a piece of paper I found in the trash leads me to believe he wrote a letter home, telling someone of his intentions, that he was going to disappear, so they aren't looking for him. He may have been dying, or suffered from depression, as he lost a lot of weight, although nothing was found at the autopsy. I saw no indications that he ever wore a wedding ring. His eyes are open in the photos because I opened them, to make him look as alive as possible for the photo. He didn't tape the pillows to the wall on the coat rack, they were wedged between the rack and the wall. This was a very unusual case. I still work on it, just to make sure Lyles loved ones know what happened to him and where he is buried. I appreciate any help.
    Nice to see you!!

    I sent this e-mail to the Doe Network with some theories I had on him:

    Hi,

    I have been following the "Lyle Stevik" case since I knew about it and I have a theory:

    - since it seems that not too many people from the USA or Canada (most likely) actually know who this man is or recognize his face, "Lyle Stevik" may possibly be from Europe and or any other continent, but could have lived in Canada or a similar place long enough to have had the possible accent that he had

    I do wonder if John Doe's sketch has ever been circulated to The Department of Citizenship and Immigration Canada or any other immigration departments to see if anyone recognizes him.

    I also had an idea that his sketch should be posted on Missing and Unidentified websites from around the world to see if anyone from any country will recognize him and help identify him

    ~Thanks for your time

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    Hi Dark_Shadows,

    What a fascinating study this case is! I know people commit suicide every day, but when you actually stop and consider it, it gives one the heeby-jeebies {at least it did me}. Maybe it was seeing his 2 photos. He looks so sad, and probably part of that is because he is dead, in fact I would almost call it a forelorn vacant look.

    Coldcaseman, we are honored to have you here and so glad you found our site. Thanks for your comments. Of course there are questions I have and I know answers might be few.

    He gave an address in Meridian Idaho. Their website for the town was dated in 2001 so there may be nothing to learn here, but am wondering if a local paper there published any info about this person who committed suicide and stated he was from that town in the normal time for a death notice.

    I think the photos have been retouched. I do see his one eye is swoolen above and below it, as is the part of the cheek adjacent to his mouth on the same side of his face. I see red blotches on his forehead and a red irritation of some sort on his chin. And then where his adams apple is, it is an indentation that is red, and I can see redness on that swoolen side going around at the top of his neck.

    Coldcaseman, I don't know if you are at liberty to say, but in real life since you attended him, was it obvious to you that he had hanged himself? I know the blood pools by gravity so that is why we don't see the normal darkness on one side of his face, but did you notice any swelling? You have no suspicions of murder made to look like a suicide?

    That leads me to the hanging itself. I went to the 'Steven' suicide link { distressing } and am wondering if the rope that held him was tied and positioned like the one drawn there. Were you there when he was taken down? I'm sure you have seen suicides before since you were an investigator, but would you say this one was quite normal? I know that sounds odd, but wondering if anything stood out in your mind?

    Thanks Scandi


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    Another thought:

    I find it odd he went to a motel in Grays Harbor City Wa, as it is a town you could pass by and hardly know it was there. Their promo describes it as the perfect getaway. Hey, I can't even find a motel located there on the internet!

    I realize a place like this is a great spot to commit suicide, but what I am getting at is you would have to be somewhat local to even know it was there. It took quite a bit of Googling to locate it due to it being tiny and located in
    Gray's Harbor County, of the same name.

    It lies just west about 1 1/2 miles of Hoquim Wa which is adjacent to Aberdeen Wa, seperated by the Chehalis River I believe, and these two cities are quite major in the area and would call them conjoining. I've been there oodles of times when I lived in Olympia and traveled back and forth everyday in my job as a door to door saleslady.

    So you are in Aberdeen, you drive across the river into Hoquim and go through town heading west and then find you are on the road that runs along the harbor, which is really like a huge bay that is 15 miles long by 11 miles wide. Drive 1 1/2 miles westerly and off to the right is an exit road to
    Grays Harbor City.

    I only write about this to give you a mindset of the location. I find it helps to have a mental picture of the area when discussing a crime.

    Another thought comes to mind, that was the hotel he was found in really in this tiny burg of a town or maybe in either Hoquim or Aberdeen. Those two cities are full of cheap old hotels from the days past, and they still make the towns have a look of the real old days when they cut the railroad line in to haul out the timber. I could have called them seedy hotels, but that might give the wrong impression. LOL LOL

    Also I have a hard time thinking of him as Mexican or Latino because he is way taller than the average guy with that heritage. Hispanic, samd thing.


    Scandi

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    Ah Haa! I didn't note before he was found in Amanda Park Wa. That is probably in Gray's Harbor County but is up Hwy 101 on Lake Quinault. Here's a map. I'll have to see what I can learn about it, but think it is a vacation spot because of the lake.

    I bet this is the motel because it has an RV Park along with the motel:

    Amanda Park Motel & Rv Park, 8 River Dr, Amanda Park, WA 98526



    Sorry!

    Scandi

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    Yes, I was the one that worked the scene. He used his leather belt, and it was fashioned similar to the one depicted in stevens story. He had placed a washcloth between the belt and his neck, to make it more comfortable. He then bend down, and his knees were almost touching the floor. Everything was consistant with suicide. Lividity was consistant with suspension hanging. There was no swelling on his face. The eye appears swollen due to my attempt to open his eyes and make him look "alive". All of his clothing were brands found in North America. I found nothing foreign. Another point that wasn't in the flier was that the $20 bills he left for the room were crisp, as though he had just gotten them from a bank. There is no bank nearby. As for Meridian Idaho, I sent his photos to the Meridian Police Department. They showed them to the employees, and no one recognized him. Neither did the Police. I'm thinking that he stopped there on his way through. I did a nationwide search for Lyle Stevik. I did find a Lyle Stevick in Oregon, who was still alive and well. I spent many hours on this case, even though there was no crime committed. Even though I believe that he has notified his family that there was no need to look for him, I want to be sure. He is buried in an unmarked grave at Fern Hill cemetary in Aberdeen, and that is not right.

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    Amanda Park is on the North Shore of Lake Quinault, part of it is in the Olympic National park. It is in the Northern part of Grays Harbor county, about 25 miles North of Aberdeen/Hoquiam. I'm not surprised there isn't much about the motel on the internet. It is a small motel, what I would call a no tell-motel. The clerk didn't even ask to see Lyles identification, she just had him fill out his name and address on the back of the payment envelope. If you are from the East coast, you would think you couldn't get much further West. We would actually get people from other parts of the country who would come to Grays Harbor to commit suicide. It is their attempt to disappear, to keep the suicide as far away from loved ones as possible.

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    Go to thedailyworld.com. In the archives search field type "youmans". There is an article from Feb. on Lyles case. You can also go to seattletimes.com. In archives type "youmans dna". It is an article about my cold cases (not Lyles, but cold murder cases). I've never turned down help from any source. I would just love to find out who Lyle was.

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