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    MA - Fells Acres Preschool child abuse case...

    I didn't know where to post this thread, so if the mods want to move it....
    feel free. :-)

    I recently watched a documentary on the Fells Acres child molestation case, and I find myself very conflicted as to whether or not these people are guilty of molesting over 40 children.

    I just cannot imagine the 60-ish "Violet" molesting little 3, 4 and 5 year old children.

    However, how could all of those children make such similar accusations?

    I'd love to hear fellow Websleuthers opinions on this case.
    Justice for Jonbenet!

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    google the name McMartin.

    there are many cases about this, but the McMartin case touched my family, in a roundabout way.

    my auntie, who was the only mother i ever had, was planning to use our big house for daycare. she had such happy plans, and then this case hit the news. it was ugly, nasty, and barely believable by anyone with a brain. auntie was wiccan...can you imagine what would have happened? i shudder to think...

    i suppose things like this are possible, but what happened to the McMartins is too awful.

    keep your mind wide open.

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    Tristan...

    There is absoluetly NO doubt that it was all a lie.
    If memory serves me it was discovered the original complaintant was actually molested by his father...
    That original complaint is what started the ball rolling ....
    Then enter an over zealious child psychologist.

    She cooerced the other children into saying what she felt was the truth.
    Despite the fact that initially they all said nothing had happend..

    The psychologist made up the stories and manipulated the children into agreeing.
    Basically she badgered them until they finally gave the answers she wanted.
    (ones she had already told them)

    IMO that child psychologist should have been criminally proscuted.
    Not only for what she did to that family but for coorcing those children to lie and not just lie but to claim humiliating things were done to them.

    That entire family was destroyed.

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    For the best coverage of this (and cases like it), see "Satan's Silence" by Debbie Nathan and Michael Snedeker (1996, click here). Fells Acres is but one of the many daycare cases that arose beginning in the early to mid-1980s. While McMartin is the most well known due to both cost and publicity, Bakersfield was the first such case. There's also Little Rascals day care in North Carolina, Country Walk in Florida, etc. Also, one case that has received like, almost zero public attention, is Frans day care in Texas. That one resulted in allegations of conspiracy against local law enforcement. And amazingly, or perhaps not so, some of those convicted in that particular case remain in prison today. Here's a brief overview of that case (which is not covered in Nathan & Snedeker's book, click here).

    That being said, while it is not impossible for an elderly person to abuse a young child (child molestors grow old too), the aforementioned cases involved gross questioning techniques that bordered on coercion and were highly unethical. So, even if abuse had occurred, the children's testimony were so tainted by the time they went to trial it would be nearly impossible to untangle truths from that mess. In any event, there are still a number of people languishing in prison from the SRA outbreak of the 1980s. And there is a fairly vitriolic politcal battle occurring, even today. Though it's not quite as foamy as it was during the late 1990s (this latest Robinson conviction may change all that).



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    Quote Originally Posted by Amraann
    Tristan...

    There is absoluetly NO doubt that it was all a lie.
    If memory serves me it was discovered the original complaintant was actually molested by his father...
    That original complaint is what started the ball rolling ....
    Then enter an over zealious child psychologist.

    She cooerced the other children into saying what she felt was the truth.
    Despite the fact that initially they all said nothing had happend..

    The psychologist made up the stories and manipulated the children into agreeing.
    Basically she badgered them until they finally gave the answers she wanted.
    (ones she had already told them)

    IMO that child psychologist should have been criminally proscuted.
    Not only for what she did to that family but for coorcing those children to lie and not just lie but to claim humiliating things were done to them.

    That entire family was destroyed.
    I beleive the late Felix Polk, whose murder trial is currently underway, was involved in that particular fiasco

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    Although it's wise to remember that even though something might seem outlandish, that doesn't mean it didn't happen. Pedophile rings are real and it's always astounding to outsiders the levels of degradation/depravity these fellows are capable of when it comes to light. There was a huge scandal in the late 1970s in the New Orleans involving a boy scout camp that was basically a pedophile bordello that was quickly hushed up because rich & famous & politically powerful people were invovled. Then there was the son of the judge in Lonoke , Arkansas who was free to molest the boys in his boy scout troop for 30+ years until one went insane and killed his family and one of his own nephews threatened the perv with a loaded gun. The Nuwabian Cult in Georgia in another shuddersome example, as is the Ponchatoula sex cult and the details emerging from the Toldeo Archdiocese. It's a weird world out there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BillyGoatGruff
    I beleive the late Felix Polk, whose murder trial is currently underway, was involved in that particular fiasco
    I haven't read anything about that?
    In what capacity was he involved?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amraann
    I haven't read anything about that?
    In what capacity was he involved?
    I wasn't aware of it until they did some indepth coverage of the Polk case on CourtTV, but apparently Polk was largely responsible for popualrizing a good deal of the Satanic ritual abuse "craze" in psychiatry in the late 70s, early 80s. He even had his own children get up and recite instances of ritual sex abuse (by who I don't know) at lectures. The kids have since recanted all that.

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    Nothing happened in this case. clear over zealot police that interviewed children all wrong and also "LEAD THEM" to believe they were abused. False memories.

    I MYSELF was a victim of sexual abuse in the 80's. IT WAS NOT common place to convict anyone even then. THEN the WITCH HUNTS began.

    While working for Victims of Violence, we saw numerous false allegations based on FALSE MEMORIES and many families were ruined.

    I will not believe for one moment this family EVER did anything.

    ON TOP OF THE EXTREMELY OUTRAGEOUS STORIES OF THE CHILDREN, NOT ONE shred of evidence was ever found INCLUDING ANY PHYSICAL SEXUAL ABUSE ON THE VICTIMS. NONE HAD ANY HYMEN TEARS OR SCARING VAGINALLY OR ANALLY.

    Explain NO evidence. The last member of this horrilbe wrongdoing MUSt be released.

    MY 2cents.



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