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    PA - Ray Gricar, 59, Bellefonte, 15 April 2005 - #4

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    New or Old info, not sure

    Thank you Amra.


    More witnessess come forward....http://www.wjactv.com/news/9218826/detail.html

    I'm not sure if this is the shop owners we have already heard about in the last few days or if this is in addition.

    Could be the same story....just from different news source?

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    Elite team to evaluate case

    FINALLY!!!!!!

    Centre County District Attorney Michael Madeira called Tuesday for an elite state police investigative review team to evaluate Bellefonte Police Department's handling of the disappearance of former Centre County District Attorney Ray Gricar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by luthersmama
    Thanks luthermama, I forgot to put link, I did put it in media links only...the article I was referring to, but forget to post here thanks again

    Ahhh, the link I had was different...http://www.centredaily.com/mld/centredaily/14597149.htm

    I think close to the same info though

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    I just want to say

    THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU MODS
    for making this a spotlight!! You rock!!

    This case really bothers me - its bad enough that as a state worker you get paid bubkus, but then to go missing any maybe hurt because of your job... its horrible. I'm a state employee and a few of my corworkers have been threatened - one even had a bomb put under her car. We honestly don't get paid enough to deal with that stuff.

    And if he disappeared by choice, I think his butt needs a good whupping for making people worry unnecessarily about him.

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    News this evening stated that Tony Gricar was in Centre County today to meet with police/investigators. He stated that he has spoken with police and with Patty Fornicola about the "sighting" in the Tyrone area antique shop and they feel it was definately Patty who was with Ray in that shop.

    Tony Gricar feels that his uncle is dead, but wants all avenues investigated.

    There will probably be a link available later this evening at wjactv.com.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lili
    News this evening stated that Tony Gricar was in Centre County today to meet with police/investigators. He stated that he has spoken with police and with Patty Fornicola about the "sighting" in the Tyrone area antique shop and they feel it was definately Patty who was with Ray in that shop.

    Tony Gricar feels that his uncle is dead, but wants all avenues investigated.

    There will probably be a link available later this evening at wjactv.com.
    Did he state exactly what makes him believe he is dead lili? Foul play, suicide?

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    No Cristine, in fact a news brief was just on during commercials and the morning girl again repeated that Tony Gricar was in Bellefonte to discuss new leads, etc. and that Tony is convinced that Ray is deceased. No addition explaination.

    Now that I am able to have a tv running in my background, I keep it turned to this local channel most of the time. This is a link to the videos available, but it isn't the evening news that gave an interview with Tony Gricar. If you scroll down to the play bar on the right side, click play and I think you can watch it. http://www.wjactv.com/video/9236609/index.html

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    Thanks Lili...keep us posted....thanks for everything you do on here for us who are so far away, yet, still so very concerned and confused!

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    He stated that he has spoken with police and with Patty Fornicola about the "sighting" in the Tyrone area antique shop and they feel it was definately Patty who was with Ray in that shop.
    I continue to be curious about this statement. The woman in the shop sure didn't match Patty's description in the least. She might want to believe it was her just to save face or not to want to believe or admit that there might have been something else going on, but I'm not sure about Tony though. I'd like to know why he is so convinced that it was her also. Seems like there must be a piece missing...

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    Centerdaily.com midday report

    WOULDN'T you have loved to be a little bird in the room when Tony Gricar met with investigators yesterday in Bellefonte?

    Tony Gricar, the nephew, was stunned like the rest of us when new information came out in the CDT about "missed leads" in the Ray Gricar probe.

    centerdaily.com

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    This evening's News at 6: Today Tony Gricar traveled to Lewisburg....

    Another tidbit: A book left on Gricar's desk was left open to Vacancy of District Attorney.

    That was about it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lili
    This evening's News at 6: Today Tony Gricar traveled to Lewisburg....

    Another tidbit: A book left on Gricar's desk was left open to Vacancy of District Attorney.

    That was about it!
    Get outta here!

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    Quote Originally Posted by christine2448
    Get outta here!
    No shlt!! They showed a picture of the book (like a legal type book) with the page open...right page the words "District Attorney" was the title. Talk about cryptic! This was planned...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lili
    No shlt!! They showed a picture of the book (like a legal type book) with the page open...right page the words "District Attorney" was the title. Talk about cryptic! This was planned...
    Can you find this info somewhere on web Lili, so I can show my sis and mom, they won't believe it!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by christine2448
    Can you find this info somewhere on web Lili, so I can show my sis and mom, they won't believe it!!!!
    I will keep checking, but this was just on, minutes ago...I keep checking wjactv.com and centredaileytimes.com

    Edited to add: I wonder if this is the reason Tony is convinced that he is dead!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lili
    I will keep checking, but this was just on, minutes ago...I keep checking wjactv.com and centredaileytimes.com
    Thanks, cause they won't believe me...this is very personal for them...I mean for me too, but more for them...they were more heavily involved with the dealings with him...my sister is very upset by this whole thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lili
    I will keep checking, but this was just on, minutes ago...I keep checking wjactv.com and centredaileytimes.com

    Edited to add: I wonder if this is the reason Tony is convinced that he is dead!
    You know lil, I wonder if this is part of a cover up, cause of everything that is going on....ya know? Maybe now, to stop the investigating team from uncovering something, this is coming out...to MAKE IT LOOK like he left on his own accord??

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    Quote Originally Posted by christine2448
    You know lil, I wonder if this is part of a cover up, cause of everything that is going on....ya know? Maybe now, to stop the investigating team from uncovering something, this is coming out...to MAKE IT LOOK like he left on his own accord??
    I have thought about that. There was a search, but not as extensive as I would have thought being that he was the DA. Then there was the big drug bust that he was involved with shortly before he disappeared. Then this week:
    "STATE COLLEGE -- Local and state police nabbed 10 people early Tuesday morning, capping a 17-month investigation into an alleged Centre County crack cocaine distribution network.

    But State College resident Michael Wright, whom police call the kingpin of the ring, remains at large.

    Conducted by State College police, the state police Troop G Vice and Narcotics Unit and the Centre County District Attorney's Office, the investigation produced arrest warrants for 15 people who face 116 felony charges and 32 misdemeanor charges. Most are residents of Centre County.

    Most ... face multiple counts of delivery of crack cocaine, conspiracy to deliver crack cocaine and other charges. They were arraigned before District Judge Carmine Prestia, who set bail in amounts ranging from $2,500 to $125,000. Some could face federal prosecution."
    Read the full story: http://www.centredaily.com/mld/centr...l/14597150.htm

    Names/bail: http://www.centredaily.com/mld/centr...l/14597141.htm

    Sometimes, when I think about the Luna case, I think maybe he is under protection, or under cover. The sightings with "mystery woman" may have been to aid in his "disappearance." There is always HOPE. But I just can't imagine how it would feel to leave your loved ones thinking you are dead!!

    I hope he's sitting in some comfortable chair somewhere, reading all the forums on the internet about him.

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    First of all, THANK YOU MODS for spotlighting this case! It's been near and dear to many of us since day one.

    And WHAT is this about a book left open on his desk to "Vacancy of District Attorney"? What's that mean? What kind of book? Can someone describe that more fully?

    I also believe that the woman seen with Ray Gricar was not Patty Fornicola. Men (and women too, probably - don't mean to sound sexist here) often take their wives/SOs and their mistresses that they're cheating with to the same places, so it would not surprise me if Patty were with Ray one day, and this mystery woman was with him the next in the same shop.

    Patty has a very distinctive appearance and the description of the other woman is nowhere near Patty's. I feel terribly for Patty - not only does the man she loves disappear, but now all of these rumors about another woman. But I also know (from experience, unfortunately) that no matter how much you think you know someone things are not always as they seem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hbgchick
    .....And WHAT is this about a book left open on his desk to "Vacancy of District Attorney"? What's that mean? What kind of book? Can someone describe that more fully?
    All I can tell you is that on the news as the newscaster was talking about the case, he said that in Ray's office, there was an open book on his desk, turned to a section about "vacancy in the DA's office." They showed an open book. The title on the right page was "District Attorney." It was the way it was left from his visit to his office the night before, according to the news article.

    It was Johnstown's WJAC-TV's 6:00 p.m. news. I have not found a link that shows that clip...

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    I know some people have been critical of the Dateline piece on Ray. I watched it last night and I thought it was alright. I think any national attention on this case is wonderful and can be potentially helpful. They could not put all the details in their segment. I liked seeing the area he vanished from especially the river. I hope this generates some new leads.


    He also was featured on the CBS show "Without A Trace" and then The Early Show on Friday morning. Here is a link to The Early Show.
    http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/...n1458699.shtml

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    Lightbulb I found the "Early Show" piece very interesting...

    because they showed the actual laptop that was retrieved as well as the hard drive that was found SEPARATE from the actual laptop. And what struck me about it was the the fact that the hard drive appeared to be in much better shape than the laptop itself(like maybe someone removed it and used it in another computer to see what was on it). The hard drive just didn't appear to have been in the water as long as the laptop. And I found it hard to believe that LE was not able to retrieve ANY info from it(like maybe it had been deliberately erased?).
    I believe more than ever that Ray met with foul play-and I am stil not discounting a link with the murder of Jonathan Luna-especially since CBS recently did a piece about witness intimidation where drug and murder cases are involved-and Philadelphia(my original home town) was one of the cities cited as actually doing someting about it. Maybe someone is trying to send a message that if they can't get to the witnesses they're going after the LE persons involved!

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    Its pretty hard to erase a hard drive - you have to have special programs and stuff that aren't available to the general public.

    Or were they able to get info off the hard drive but are claiming they got nothing so they don't tip off the perps (whether its him or his murderers)?

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